Who is this 'Hitler' you talk of? Having never seen a statue of him, I am completely unaware of his existence.

Did you know in Germany people with only one arm aren't allowed to ride a rollercoaster.

I am shocked it went right over everyone's head. Or, I guess it wasn't really that funny. I hate you people sometimes.

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Perhaps because some people are proud of their heritage and history.  Why do immigrants from other countries fly their flags?

Your "heritage" is that of a failed insurrection that conceded the moral high ground to its opponent? 

Strange thing to fly a flag about. 

Why not the state flag? Is that not historical enough?  If you're comparing it to my neighbor who has a Puerto Rico flag hanging from the mirror of his car, then you'd be flying an American flag or a State of FL flag by comparison. Not a confederate flag.

It's not my heritage.  I wasn't born around here and my home state (New Mexico) had very little impact during The Civil War.

I do have many friends that are multi-generation Floridians that are very proud of their heritage.  Their ancestors fought for what they (back then) believed in and fought honorably.  The Civil War was a very dark time in our nation's history, but it is what it is.  Many fought because their idea and belief is that it was "right".  Many died and shed blood during that conflict.  Whether or not if they were right or wrong, they deserve some dignity and respect.  That's what the statue that was (cowardly) taken down in the middle of the night was commemorating.  It had nothing to do with "oppression" or slavery.

Put yourself in the shoes of a white man living in Florida in 1850 or so and imagine what you think is "right or wrong".  Society's way of thinking back then is nowhere near what it is today.  Fast forward to the 1890's (when the statue was built and erected) and think about what people were remembering.  It was NOT about slavery.  It was about loved ones that fell during that horrific time in our nation's history.

That statue stood there over a hundred years before some "woke" people decided that it was "offensive".  There is a reason why so many landmarks, roads and schools around this city are named what they are named.  It's all about the history.

In my opinion people that find monuments, landmarks, names of schools, etc. "offensive" or "repressive" today are living in the past.  The whole "white privilege" thing is a big myth.

When we start tearing down monuments and treasures from the past, where will it end?  In my opinion doing so is really no different than what the Taliban did.  I think we as a country are better than that.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Perhaps because some people are proud of their heritage and history.  Why do immigrants from other countries fly their flags?

Your "heritage" is that of a failed insurrection that conceded the moral high ground to its opponent? 

Strange thing to fly a flag about. 

Why not the state flag? Is that not historical enough?  If you're comparing it to my neighbor who has a Puerto Rico flag hanging from the mirror of his car, then you'd be flying an American flag or a State of FL flag by comparison. Not a confederate flag.

Don't be too sure about the moral high ground. The Constitution does not discuss whether or not a state can leave the Union. The seceded states (South) did not send troops into the remaining states (North) until long after the North sent troops into the South.

If by "moral high ground" you are referring to slavery, then that doesn't exactly apply either since several North states allowed slavery.

In any case, the flag represents heritage to many people and offends many others. How is that any different than claiming kneeling during the National Anthem represents opposition to police brutality while it offends many others? It's OK for one groups "offendedness" to prevail but not the other?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

So where’s the Hitler statue?

Did you ever think that maybe people are becoming more educated on certain topics and therefore see how dumb it was to put up a statue like this in the first place?

A statue of Hitler is not the same as a statue of an American soldier.  Like it or not it's a FACT that confederate soldiers during that time were in FACT Americans.

Put it this way.  Yes some of the population of our city/county might have been "offended" by the fact that a statue that has been in place well over a century.  Did anyone even consider that what that statue signified being taken down in the middle of the night (cowardly) might be "offensive" towards the people that it memorialized?

The so-called "educated" or "woke" people might see it as "dumb", but those with a more proper education might just understand what it symbolized.  When are the "educated" people going to take down this monument?

Was the treatment of the Sioux or Cheyenne better or worse than the slaves during that time?

Where do you get these 'more proper' educations?

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Did you know in Germany people with only one arm aren't allowed to ride a rollercoaster.

I am shocked it went right over everyone's head. Or, I guess it wasn't really that funny. I hate you people sometimes.

By the time I saw this thread it was buried several pages back.

As someone who loves to ride rollercoasters I approve of the joke.

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A statue of Hitler is not the same as a statue of an American soldier.  Like it or not it's a FACT that confederate soldiers during that time were in FACT Americans.

Put it this way.  Yes some of the population of our city/county might have been "offended" by the fact that a statue that has been in place well over a century.  Did anyone even consider that what that statue signified being taken down in the middle of the night (cowardly) might be "offensive" towards the people that it memorialized?

The so-called "educated" or "woke" people might see it as "dumb", but those with a more proper education might just understand what it symbolized.  When are the "educated" people going to take down this monument?

Was the treatment of the Sioux or Cheyenne better or worse than the slaves during that time?

Where do you get these 'more proper' educations?

They are long-gone, a destruction wrought by the American Left. Did you read that UNC is now eliminating math in the curriculum because most students can't handle it anymore. That never used to be the case before the Left dumbed down the K-12 schools.


 

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Did you know in Germany people with only one arm aren't allowed to ride a rollercoaster.

I am shocked it went right over everyone's head. Or, I guess it wasn't really that funny. I hate you people sometimes.

It took me an embarrassingly long time to get it. Once I did it prompted my grandson to ask me what I kept laughing at.

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I am shocked it went right over everyone's head. Or, I guess it wasn't really that funny. I hate you people sometimes.

It took me an embarrassingly long time to get it. Once I did it prompted my grandson to ask me what I kept laughing at.

It is kind of a visual thing.

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Your "heritage" is that of a failed insurrection that conceded the moral high ground to its opponent? 

Strange thing to fly a flag about. 

Why not the state flag? Is that not historical enough?  If you're comparing it to my neighbor who has a Puerto Rico flag hanging from the mirror of his car, then you'd be flying an American flag or a State of FL flag by comparison. Not a confederate flag.

It's not my heritage.  I wasn't born around here and my home state (New Mexico) had very little impact during The Civil War.

I do have many friends that are multi-generation Floridians that are very proud of their heritage.  Their ancestors fought for what they (back then) believed in and fought honorably.  The Civil War was a very dark time in our nation's history, but it is what it is.  Many fought because their idea and belief is that it was "right".  Many died and shed blood during that conflict.  Whether or not if they were right or wrong, they deserve some dignity and respect.  That's what the statue that was (cowardly) taken down in the middle of the night was commemorating.  It had nothing to do with "oppression" or slavery.

Put yourself in the shoes of a white man living in Florida in 1850 or so and imagine what you think is "right or wrong".  Society's way of thinking back then is nowhere near what it is today.  Fast forward to the 1890's (when the statue was built and erected) and think about what people were remembering.  It was NOT about slavery.  It was about loved ones that fell during that horrific time in our nation's history.

That statue stood there over a hundred years before some "woke" people decided that it was "offensive".  There is a reason why so many landmarks, roads and schools around this city are named what they are named.  It's all about the history.

In my opinion people that find monuments, landmarks, names of schools, etc. "offensive" or "repressive" today are living in the past.  The whole "white privilege" thing is a big myth.

When we start tearing down monuments and treasures from the past, where will it end?  In my opinion doing so is really no different than what the Taliban did.  I think we as a country are better than that.

Wait.... so the people finding these statues to be ignorant are living in the past? Not the guy spewing about the 1850s or 1890s?!

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Your "heritage" is that of a failed insurrection that conceded the moral high ground to its opponent? 

Strange thing to fly a flag about. 

Why not the state flag? Is that not historical enough?  If you're comparing it to my neighbor who has a Puerto Rico flag hanging from the mirror of his car, then you'd be flying an American flag or a State of FL flag by comparison. Not a confederate flag.

It's not my heritage.  I wasn't born around here and my home state (New Mexico) had very little impact during The Civil War.

I do have many friends that are multi-generation Floridians that are very proud of their heritage.  Their ancestors fought for what they (back then) believed in and fought honorably.  The Civil War was a very dark time in our nation's history, but it is what it is.  Many fought because their idea and belief is that it was "right".  Many died and shed blood during that conflict.  Whether or not if they were right or wrong, they deserve some dignity and respect.  That's what the statue that was (cowardly) taken down in the middle of the night was commemorating.  It had nothing to do with "oppression" or slavery.

Put yourself in the shoes of a white man living in Florida in 1850 or so and imagine what you think is "right or wrong".  Society's way of thinking back then is nowhere near what it is today.  Fast forward to the 1890's (when the statue was built and erected) and think about what people were remembering.  It was NOT about slavery.  It was about loved ones that fell during that horrific time in our nation's history.

That statue stood there over a hundred years before some "woke" people decided that it was "offensive".  There is a reason why so many landmarks, roads and schools around this city are named what they are named.  It's all about the history.

In my opinion people that find monuments, landmarks, names of schools, etc. "offensive" or "repressive" today are living in the past.  The whole "white privilege" thing is a big myth.

When we start tearing down monuments and treasures from the past, where will it end?  In my opinion doing so is really no different than what the Taliban did.  I think we as a country are better than that.

The problem here is a lack of understanding of how the statues came into existence, and the schools came to be named after Confederate "heroes".

The statues and monuments weren't erected or named to honor anyone, they were a cynical push back against progress made by African-Americans. The statues erected in the 1890s were part of an attempt to re-frame the reasons for the war as a noble effort to protect states rights instead of what it really was about, the preservation of a "way of life,  i.e. slavery. The Daughters of the Confederacy didn't like the notion that poor white Southerners died in a vain effort to preserve the wealth and power of the land owners, who couldn't prosper without slaves, nor the shame and indignity of Reconstruction, so they tried to change the story. It was called The Lost Cause. Jim Crow was soon to follow. Blacks make progress, Whites push back.

As I noted earlier, Robert E. Lee either scourged, or ordered the scourging, of two slaves captured after fleeing their captivity. After deciding their punishment wasn't lesson enough, he ordered brine to be poured on their wounded, bleeding backs. Do you think a person who would do that to another human being deserves a statue in his honor?

[BLEEP] Robert E. Lee. Even as a military tactician, he was overrated.

The schools in Duval County were renamed for Confederate heroes in the 1950s in defiance of the Supreme Court's decision in the case of Brown vs. The Board of Education of Topeka, which ended school desegregation. Blacks make progress, Whites push back.

If it makes anyone happy, it appears that the statues won't be destroyed, but instead displayed in a manner elsewhere that puts their existence in the correct perspective.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

It took me an embarrassingly long time to get it. Once I did it prompted my grandson to ask me what I kept laughing at.

It is kind of a visual thing.

The joke may have worked better had you posted "...people with no left arm are forbidden...". That creates a more correct mental image, no?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

It is kind of a visual thing.

The joke may have worked better had you posted "...people with no left arm are forbidden...". That creates a more correct mental image, no?

I didn't want to come off as prejudiced against people with only a left arm. If you leave them out, they might riot.

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It is kind of a visual thing.

The joke may have worked better had you posted "...people with no left arm are forbidden...". That creates a more correct mental image, no?

I had the same thought

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I hate you people ... you ruin everything fun.

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Again I point to other things in our nation's history that may or may not be "offensive" to some people.  I get and understand why some black people might find a statue of a Confederate soldier "offensive".  Just like I think that some people might find monuments to others "offensive".

For the record I didn't "learn that it was 'offensive' 10 years ago".  I simply pointed out that from what I recall there were no complaints regarding the statue, school names, etc. as being "offensive" until around 10 years ago or so.  There may have been some prior to that, but I'm certainly not aware of it.  The statue had been there over a century.

Regarding the part in bold, I don't think that the statue was erected for the purpose that you state.

Much of the problem today is people think about the actions that happened back then in "today's terms" regarding race and culture.  The fact of the matter is slavery was "normal" back then to many people.  I'm not saying that it was right, but that's the way that it was back then.

I have had things done in a historical perspective to people of my heritage in the past.  Do I hold a grudge against the very (like) people that did it back then today?  Of course not.  It's HISTORY.

I know that I might be in the minority in some cases, but I tend to adhere to one of the things that Dr. Martin Luther King talked about.  I personally "judge" people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.  I have actually had friends tell me that "they weren't sure" about me when they initially learned my last name.  My own wife was introduced to me as a blind date.  When her friend told her of my ethnicity at first it was a big "no".  30+ years later we have been happily married.

RE the bolded. 

Again, YOU don't get to decide whether or not African Americans see confederate flags and memorials as offensive. They do. And they've decided. Your personal take on your own heritage and it's historical scars doesn't change the way millions of others feel on the matter. It's done.  

But then again - you think that racism isn't really a thing anymore despite millions and millions of people protesting all over the planet for days on end, so...  I'm likely pissing in the wind pointing out reality to you.

We should make this the slogan of the politics section. Hell, I bet that's something both sides can even agree on.

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RE the bolded. 

Again, YOU don't get to decide whether or not African Americans see confederate flags and memorials as offensive. They do. And they've decided. Your personal take on your own heritage and it's historical scars doesn't change the way millions of others feel on the matter. It's done.  

But then again - you think that racism isn't really a thing anymore despite millions and millions of people protesting all over the planet for days on end, so...  I'm likely pissing in the wind pointing out reality to you.

We should make this the slogan of the politics section. Hell, I bet that's something both sides can even agree on.

Leftists pointing out reality is as oxymoron as oxymoron can get.

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We should make this the slogan of the politics section. Hell, I bet that's something both sides can even agree on.

Leftists pointing out reality is as oxymoron as oxymoron can get.

You really are the worst.

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It's not my heritage.  I wasn't born around here and my home state (New Mexico) had very little impact during The Civil War.

I do have many friends that are multi-generation Floridians that are very proud of their heritage.  Their ancestors fought for what they (back then) believed in and fought honorably.  The Civil War was a very dark time in our nation's history, but it is what it is.  Many fought because their idea and belief is that it was "right".  Many died and shed blood during that conflict.  Whether or not if they were right or wrong, they deserve some dignity and respect.  That's what the statue that was (cowardly) taken down in the middle of the night was commemorating.  It had nothing to do with "oppression" or slavery.

Put yourself in the shoes of a white man living in Florida in 1850 or so and imagine what you think is "right or wrong".  Society's way of thinking back then is nowhere near what it is today.  Fast forward to the 1890's (when the statue was built and erected) and think about what people were remembering.  It was NOT about slavery.  It was about loved ones that fell during that horrific time in our nation's history.

That statue stood there over a hundred years before some "woke" people decided that it was "offensive".  There is a reason why so many landmarks, roads and schools around this city are named what they are named.  It's all about the history.

In my opinion people that find monuments, landmarks, names of schools, etc. "offensive" or "repressive" today are living in the past.  The whole "white privilege" thing is a big myth.

When we start tearing down monuments and treasures from the past, where will it end?  In my opinion doing so is really no different than what the Taliban did.  I think we as a country are better than that.

The problem here is a lack of understanding of how the statues came into existence, and the schools came to be named after Confederate "heroes".

The statues and monuments weren't erected or named to honor anyone, they were a cynical push back against progress made by African-Americans. The statues erected in the 1890s were part of an attempt to re-frame the reasons for the war as a noble effort to protect states rights instead of what it really was about, the preservation of a "way of life,  i.e. slavery. The Daughters of the Confederacy didn't like the notion that poor white Southerners died in a vain effort to preserve the wealth and power of the land owners, who couldn't prosper without slaves, nor the shame and indignity of Reconstruction, so they tried to change the story. It was called The Lost Cause. Jim Crow was soon to follow. Blacks make progress, Whites push back.

As I noted earlier, Robert E. Lee either scourged, or ordered the scourging, of two slaves captured after fleeing their captivity. After deciding their punishment wasn't lesson enough, he ordered brine to be poured on their wounded, bleeding backs. Do you think a person who would do that to another human being deserves a statue in his honor?

[BLEEP] Robert E. Lee. Even as a military tactician, he was overrated.

The schools in Duval County were renamed for Confederate heroes in the 1950s in defiance of the Supreme Court's decision in the case of Brown vs. The Board of Education of Topeka, which ended school desegregation. Blacks make progress, Whites push back.

If it makes anyone happy, it appears that the statues won't be destroyed, but instead displayed in a manner elsewhere that puts their existence in the correct perspective.

Well as long as The Daily Kos says that, it must be the case.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Leftists pointing out reality is as oxymoron as oxymoron can get.

You really are the worst.

BRING BACK THE LIKE BUTTON

+100000

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You really are the worst.

BRING BACK THE LIKE BUTTON

+100000

Badge of honor from you fellas.

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I am shocked it went right over everyone's head. Or, I guess it wasn't really that funny. I hate you people sometimes.

It took me an embarrassingly long time to get it. Once I did it prompted my grandson to ask me what I kept laughing at.

And now I just got it

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