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Yeah, millions upon million dead in the 20th century is "implied." Good enough.

So, who exactly is going to die because of the current global movement centered on injustice reform? 
How exactly is it affecting our great nation negatively? 
Who is in imminent danger? 
I'm just trying to gain an understanding of what I need to be afraid of.

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Lol. Dude. You will never need to fear anything as long as you do exactly what you are told. At least, that's how it's worked historically. Hopefully you don't end up on the wrong side of the purge.

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Lol. Dude. You will never need to fear anything as long as you do exactly what you are told. At least, that's how it's worked historically. Hopefully you don't end up on the wrong side of the purge.

History never repeats itself so there's no reason to worry.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, millions upon million dead in the 20th century is "implied." Good enough.

So, who exactly is going to die because of the current global movement centered on injustice reform? 
How exactly is it affecting our great nation negatively? 
Who is in imminent danger? 
I'm just trying to gain an understanding of what I need to be afraid of.

No answers?? 

I wish I knew what this great evil that's coming for me was exactly.

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Yeah, we'll do it right this time. Just ignore all the resentment we're building up among disenfranchised groups in America. That will go away as soon as we switch over to socialism. They will just forget all that hate that was building and the world will finally get along. No heads will roll, despite almost every socialist nation having some form of a genocide shortly after the transition.

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So, who exactly is going to die because of the current global movement centered on injustice reform? 
How exactly is it affecting our great nation negatively? 
Who is in imminent danger? 
I'm just trying to gain an understanding of what I need to be afraid of.

No answers?? 

I wish I knew what this great evil that's coming for me was exactly.

I literally handed you a list of people and organizations who are actively working to destroy this Country. I wish I had your blissful state of existence where no one on Earth wants America destroyed, because no matter how much they tell you and show you their intent you get to pretend they don't exist.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, he says he wants proof and when it's offered, moves on to something that's unprovable. Can't change his feelings, bro.

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So no evidence of subversive funding, and no answer to what the actual goal of that funding may be. 

I'm just supposed to believe there is an evil force at work manipulating activists to do something bad, but we're not sure what exactly, and we know this because you read some books. 

OK.  Thanks for nothing, I guess. 

Also - comrade isn't a bad word. You are merely associating it to support your narrative. 
While we're on that - have you read the "what we believe statement" on the BLM website? 
Aside from the gender thing that is very divisive these days, it's not very controversial at all IMO. And it does not in any way lead me to believe it was written by wealthy backers with an evil mission. 

It's also very important to note that many of the millions of people walking around carrying "Black Lives Matter" banners at these protests have likely never even seen that website or associate themselves in any way with it. They merely support the idea of ending injustices against people of color by police.

I didn't say I couldn't provide it. I just said it would take too much time. Also, I didn't say they were evil. I said their values oppose American capitalism. I don't think they think they are evil, but I do think the methods they use are underhanded and manipulative. Also, if you read any communist philosophy at all, you would know how much BLM belief statements are directly connected to that mode of thought. I agree with your last statement. When I have taken my black friends to the BLM website, they immediately reject what's being advocated there. The slogan first, then you attack anyone that disagrees with BLM and their agenda. Subversion 101. 

Look, dude. I know this can come across as very conspiratorial. But what I listed in the previous post is all facts I have read or watched in videos. My hobby is history and philosophy. My degrees are in poli sci and international affairs. I like to follow evidence. I am very eager to understand individuals and their motivations. I rarely just throw out someone's opinions without carefully considering them unless it's Mikesez. Funding gets difficult once you get to the LLC level because of the laws that allow investors to donate anonymously, but you can see how these organizations are connected. 

I've shared the story about community organizers being tied to universities, whose funding was tied to other organizations before the money trail goes cold. There were 4 layers between Harvard and the group that trained my friend in Native American injustice. 3 more layers above it, then  you can't see who's funding it anymore. That money just isn't falling out of the sky. Community organizers are trained to go into communities and manufacture resentment so those people will vote for the group that is promising to resolve it (only they never do). You don't know how many layers there are to this onion until you start peeling them away.

You don't care about Tony Timpa. Why not? I have said repeatedly we can look at police reform. But the narrative has already become defund the police. Why? Why does those goal posts move so quickly. I can show you were these socialist philosophers say you should defund the police.... 50 years ago. I can show you where these philosophers wanted to destroy heteronormative practices (different name back then). I can show you were they wanted open borders back then. Why is it moving in that direction? We they just prophetic? Is that the inevitable tide of human evolution and a thing of destiny? Or is it part of an ideology that is being driven by a narrative that achieves it's goals then moves the goal posts?

My feelings were hurt for a moment, then I remembered you have a poli sci degree and still don't understand how logrolls work. You think letting Democrats pass one thing suddenly means they get to pass all of the things.  We still use Robert's Rules of Order in the legislatures ... not Stalin's.... We'll be fine.  The adults will manage this.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Lol. Thanks for proving my point.

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I don't get the uproar about the removal of confederate statues. While I believe the left has bastardized the term 'progressive', this really is a sign of progress.

Sorry, but Jacksonville can't be a city on the rise with monuments to the losers of a civil war who fought for the preservation of slavery. It really is that simple.

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I have no problems with that on it's face. But it sets a precedent, and the next goal will be to remove monuments of anyone who owned slaves. It's already happening. There goes most of the founders. Then we conflate their sins and ideology. This is the pattern.

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I have no problems with that on it's face. But it sets a precedent, and the next goal will be to remove monuments of anyone who owned slaves. It's already happening. There goes most of the founders. Then we conflate their sins and ideology. This is the pattern.

Understandable, but protecting the legacy of the founders provides defensible ground. Confederate statues do not.

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No answers?? 

I wish I knew what this great evil that's coming for me was exactly.

I literally handed you a list of people and organizations who are actively working to destroy this Country. I wish I had your blissful state of existence where no one on Earth wants America destroyed, because no matter how much they tell you and show you their intent you get to pretend they don't exist.

No.

You gave me a link to an opinion piece that attempted to link a number of progressive organizations to BLM. 

You've done nothing, zero, zilch to show how any of them are attempting to destroy America. 
Show me what they've done that is threatening my freedom and this great nation. 

What exactly is the Advancement Project doing to destroy America?

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I literally handed you a list of people and organizations who are actively working to destroy this Country. I wish I had your blissful state of existence where no one on Earth wants America destroyed, because no matter how much they tell you and show you their intent you get to pretend they don't exist.

No.

You gave me a link to an opinion piece that attempted to link a number of progressive organizations to BLM. 

You've done nothing, zero, zilch to show how any of them are attempting to destroy America. 
Show me what they've done that is threatening my freedom and this great nation. 

What exactly is the Advancement Project destroying America?

Ok.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

edited after reading full article ^

Yeah, millions upon million dead in the 20th century is "implied." Good enough.

Millions died under lots of different ideologies we could name. 

Millions starve pretty much any time a country tries to go to a free trade or purely capitalist system for cereal grains.  Most recently in Haiti and the Phillipines, but you'll find an early example in France as one of the causes of the first French Revolution.  

Does that mean that capitalism or free trade are always wrong? Of course not. Does that mean that any alternative economic arrangement can grow and allocate food without anyone ever starving? Of course not. Food policy is enormously complicated! And that's just one of the necessities of life.

Riddle me this.  Suppose the USSR, in the early 1930s, prioritized feeding everyone higher than they prioritized rapidly industrializing.  There would have been no famine in Ukraine.  But also no industrialization in the Volga nor in the transural region. Millions more Ukrainians survive to 1940.  Then what?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yeah, millions upon million dead in the 20th century is "implied." Good enough.

Millions died under lots of different ideologies we could name. 

Millions starve pretty much any time a country tries to go to a free trade or purely capitalist system for cereal grains.  Most recently in Haiti and the Phillipines, but you'll find an early example in France as one of the causes of the first French Revolution.  

Does that mean that capitalism or free trade are always wrong? Of course not. Does that mean that any alternative economic arrangement can grow and allocate food without anyone ever starving? Of course not.

Riddle me this.  Suppose the USSR, in the early 1930s, prioritized feeding everyone higher than rapidly industrializing.  There would have been no famine in Ukraine.  But also no industrialization in the Volga nor in the transural region. Millions more Ukrainians survive to 1940.  Then what?

The Ukrainian Famine was intentional you daft twit.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Millions died under lots of different ideologies we could name. 

Millions starve pretty much any time a country tries to go to a free trade or purely capitalist system for cereal grains.  Most recently in Haiti and the Phillipines, but you'll find an early example in France as one of the causes of the first French Revolution.  

Does that mean that capitalism or free trade are always wrong? Of course not. Does that mean that any alternative economic arrangement can grow and allocate food without anyone ever starving? Of course not.

Riddle me this.  Suppose the USSR, in the early 1930s, prioritized feeding everyone higher than rapidly industrializing.  There would have been no famine in Ukraine.  But also no industrialization in the Volga nor in the transural region. Millions more Ukrainians survive to 1940.  Then what?

The Ukrainian Famine was intentional you daft twit.

I know that.
Before the famine, Ukraine and Russia both more or less fed themselves.
Then the Soviets decide that (a) a bunch of Russian farmers need to stop farming and start building steel mills, and (b) they will need to eat Ukrainian grain while they work. 
Intentional, yes.  But do you think there was another way to produce all those steel mills and get them running before 1940?
What happens if the mills aren't built?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Another thing I personally don't care about. The other being the confederate flag/nascar thing. I have friends who are pretty put out by the flag/nascar thing and I don't get it.

I was born in CO and raised in FL by parents/stepparents who were not from the south (CO, AZ & RI) so I was not raised with "southern pride". I never cared or paid attention to the confederate flag or statues or names of schools. That stuff was not important to us growing up and it's not important to me now.

My concern is the freedom being taken away from people who want to display the flag. Who cares if they want to paint a target on their house/vehicle/clothing? Because that's what it is now. If they're adult enough to display it then they are adult enough to deal with possible consequences. At least they have a choice.

Taking away all of this stuff doesn't teach any lessons or change anyone's minds, it just pisses them off. It's not going to make society better because it changes nothing. I suppose these things being gone will make folks feel better until they find something else to be angry about. I tell my Christian friends, you can't legislate morality, people have to want to do the right thing. The same applies here.

There is a reason why the concentration camps in Germany have not been torn down. They serve as a history lesson and reminder of a thing that should never happen again. Having visited Dachau while living in Germany I can assure you that is the feeling you have while there. We can choose to see flags, statues and school names the same way. Or we can just burn it all to the ground.

The huge difference is that places like Auschwitz are kept as a somber reminder of the evils that humans can do to one another. That is a stark contrast to many places in the US. I lived in Charleston, SC for a couple years, and the whole city is set up as a shrine for the Confederacy. Market Street in Charleston was the main slave market in the main slave trading city in America. 40% of slaves that came to America came through Charleston. I hope we can all agree that slavery is one of the greatest tragedies of history. Market Street was where these human beings, stolen from their own land, were then sold like animals into forced labor. And yet Market Street is now the lively party area of town, lined with bars and restaurants catering to predominantly white tourists having a great time in the "holy city". In the middle of the street lies the remains of the original slave market, where you will typically find old black ladies weaving baskets to sell to the tourists. At the top of the street, raised up high so it literally looms over everything, is the 'Daughters of the Confederacy' museum. The whole city is a concrete metaphor for the fact that, even though the south lost the civil war, they wanted to remind everybody who still had the power, and that they weren't going to let it go easily. These things matter, and anyone who truly wants to live in an America where race is no longer an issue needs to confront these things directly.

Thanks for the history lesson. I did not know that about Charleston. Again, I was never exposed to traditional southern pride or history. Whatever we learned in school was what I knew and I'm pretty certain slavery wasn't on the list and that was a long time ago. I don't imagine it's taught now. What you're saying makes sense but I never learned it like you  explained it. 

Stuff like that I get.... Taking down shrines I get. There really is no need for a shrine for any one person IMO. Statues that represent a group of people like the one in Jacksonville that represents the confederate soldiers who died in battle, I don't have a problem with. Iron Mike up here at Fort Bragg represents soldiers of the 82nd Airborne, not just one person. The statues and monuments for all  military (like Iron Mike or the ones in Washington DC) from all wars I don't have a problem with. I never understood the whole idea behind behind statues and shrines of a person anyway.

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Now it’s not just confederate monuments that’s the problem it’s an attempt to erase history

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/..._down.html

They're not "erasing history."  They're removing monuments they don't want.

Take a look at the pictures of some of the "monuments" that they want to remove.  That's from The Florida Times Union.  Most of them are merely signs that tell the history of the area.  They are in fact, making an attempt at removing history.

Here is an example of one such "monument".  The photo comes from the University of North Florida Historic Architecture Main Gallery.  Explain to me why it's so "offensive" that it needs to be taken down.  Explain how it's not removing history.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Yeah, millions upon million dead in the 20th century is "implied." Good enough.

So, who exactly is going to die because of the current global movement centered on injustice reform? 
How exactly is it affecting our great nation negatively? 
Who is in imminent danger? 
I'm just trying to gain an understanding of what I need to be afraid of.

#RIPDAVIDDORN

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