Todd is definitely the problem. We were getting gashed in 2018 when we still had all of our elite talent on defense. He refuses to change or adjust his Seattle scheme. It doesn't work. It's dated, and he needs to no longer be an NFL DC. The fact that he's hung around since 2013 when we've fielded some of the worst defenses in franchise history is hilarious. Dude is a certified bum. Get him the [BLEEP] out of Jacksonville.

Agree on all counts here TK.

He is the problem - regardless of talent or not.

I understand the emotional fan frustration about the defensive production (I am in agreement), but nobody has any solutions.  I'm fine with getting rid of Wash... but what would you change on our D from a tactical scheme standpoint?  The problem is LACK OF TALENT.   You could reincarnate Buddy Ryan to coach this defense and it would still stink.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...55529?s=21

Who’s responsibility is it to teach these things again?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...55529?s=21

Who’s responsibility is it to teach these things again?

That's always his response when the defense plays poorly. He's a Wash apologist and he won't admit that we lack talent (which is to be expected.) Nobody is gonna admit that mistakes were made building this defense, but he needs to see what we ALL see. The scheme is outdated and does not work for the personnel we currently have. You can't play soft zone when you have no pass rush.

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https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...55529?s=21

Who’s responsibility is it to teach these things again?

That's always his response when the defense plays poorly. He's a Wash apologist and he won't admit that we lack talent (which is to be expected.) Nobody is gonna admit that mistakes were made building this defense, but he needs to see what we ALL see. The scheme is outdated and does not work for the personnel we currently have. You can't play soft zone when you have no pass rush.

Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

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https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...55529?s=21

Who’s responsibility is it to teach these things again?

That is just a nice way of saying "our players are not very talented, but we will say its fundamentals because we have to live with what we've got this season"

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

That's always his response when the defense plays poorly. He's a Wash apologist and he won't admit that we lack talent (which is to be expected.) Nobody is gonna admit that mistakes were made building this defense, but he needs to see what we ALL see. The scheme is outdated and does not work for the personnel we currently have. You can't play soft zone when you have no pass rush.

Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

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I wanna see some 3-4 looks where our faster, quicker DE's like Allen and Chaisson are playing off the ball as OLB's in certain passing situations. We have to generate a pass rush some way, some how. I'd also blitz the Safeties more. God knows they can't cover, so we might as well use them to rush the passer.

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That's always his response when the defense plays poorly. He's a Wash apologist and he won't admit that we lack talent (which is to be expected.) Nobody is gonna admit that mistakes were made building this defense, but he needs to see what we ALL see. The scheme is outdated and does not work for the personnel we currently have. You can't play soft zone when you have no pass rush.

Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

Coverage wouldn't be as much of a problem if we weren't constantly rushing 4 but never getting close to the QB. Gotta generate pass rush by getting creative there, imo. Last week and last night it seemed like the QBs had 5 seconds or more every throw. How many coverage units can hold up that long in the NFL?

Bring more of those 34 looks we were told were coming. Get Allen and Chaisson on the field together more often. Stunts and mix in some blitzes.

We're being torched as is so why not try SOMETHING different?
For all the flak people get for being Caldwell apologists, that is eerily similar to what I'm seeing in defense of Wash, all of a sudden.

We knew before the season this defense would struggle. But not to the tune of letting QBs march down the field throwing 90% of their passes every game.
Decapitation or death by a thousand cuts... it's death either way.

No we can't go all out blitz and leave our young DBs out on islands all the time. But we can't rush 4 and play zone all day either.

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Jaguars need to acquire Richard Sherman, kam chancellor, earl thomas, byron maxwell, Bobby wagner , kj Wright michael bennett, Bruce irvin, cliff avril, Frank Clark

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Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

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I wanna see some 3-4 looks where our faster, quicker DE's like Allen and Chaisson are playing off the ball as OLB's in certain passing situations. We have to generate a pass rush some way, some how. I'd also blitz the Safeties more. God knows they can't cover, so we might as well use them to rush the passer.

Bingo I posted this in the other thread but I guess it applies here too. There is no way Gostis should be out snapping Smoot and Chaisson when you only have 1 sack thru 3 games to show for it.

Why can’t they figure out how to get a Chassion and Allen on the field together for more then a few plays? 

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...02597?s=21

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...72609?s=21

Why is Gostis out snapping Chassion and Smoot when our pass rush is anemic? If we can make Fitzpatrick look like Peyton Manning because he has 8 seconds in the pocket what will happen against the better teams?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Jaguars need to acquire Richard Sherman, kam chancellor, earl thomas, byron maxwell, Bobby wagner , kj Wright michael bennett, Bruce irvin, cliff avril, Frank Clark

People forget that even the vaunted 2017 version of this trash scheme wasn't all that great until Caldwell traded for Marcell Dareus to have someone who could play the run. Now we're still running it without all those really good/great players and it's completely exposed.

And though he's 30 now Dareus is still on the market. I guess that core injury he had last year was the final straw for his career.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

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I wanna see some 3-4 looks where our faster, quicker DE's like Allen and Chaisson are playing off the ball as OLB's in certain passing situations. We have to generate a pass rush some way, some how. I'd also blitz the Safeties more. God knows they can't cover, so we might as well use them to rush the passer.

I'm actually with you on all of that.  Good post.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Again... I hear your complaint and feel your pain. But what do you propose schematically to make it better with our current personnel?  Cover 0 and put our DB's on islands all over the field?  I am not a fan of that.  We might create more sacks but we'd likely be giving up 40 points a game with huge plays against us.

Coverage wouldn't be as much of a problem if we weren't constantly rushing 4 but never getting close to the QB. Gotta generate pass rush by getting creative there, imo. Last week and last night it seemed like the QBs had 5 seconds or more every throw. How many coverage units can hold up that long in the NFL?

Bring more of those 34 looks we were told were coming. Get Allen and Chaisson on the field together more often. Stunts and mix in some blitzes.

We're being torched as is so why not try SOMETHING different?
For all the flak people get for being Caldwell apologists, that is eerily similar to what I'm seeing in defense of Wash, all of a sudden.

We knew before the season this defense would struggle. But not to the tune of letting QBs march down the field throwing 90% of their passes every game.
Decapitation or death by a thousand cuts... it's death either way.

No we can't go all out blitz and leave our young DBs out on islands all the time. But we can't rush 4 and play zone all day either.

I agree with most of what you said.  And I agree that some 4-3 Under or 3-4 looks would add something for other teams to prep for, if nothing else.  I guess it depends what you mean by being creative with our blitzes.  We got burnt badly on a zone blitz for their third TD.

And I hear you... death by decapitation or death by 1000 cuts is still death.  I guess they thought process is forcing an offense to use 12 plays to score instead of 4 would lead to more chances of them making a mistake and turning it over.  Tough call for me there.

My biggest problem still is lack of talent. The defensive system has remained basically unchanged since Caldwell has been here, so he KNOWS what he needs to go get to make it work. But we do not have that talent on the roster, and this is entirely his fault. Its YEAR 8.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I wanna see some 3-4 looks where our faster, quicker DE's like Allen and Chaisson are playing off the ball as OLB's in certain passing situations. We have to generate a pass rush some way, some how. I'd also blitz the Safeties more. God knows they can't cover, so we might as well use them to rush the passer.

Bingo I posted this in the other thread but I guess it applies here too. There is no way Gostis should be out snapping Smoot and Chaisson when you only have 1 sack thru 3 games to show for it.

Why can’t they figure out how to get a Chassion and Allen on the field together for more then a few plays? 

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...02597?s=21

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...72609?s=21

Why is Gostis out snapping Chassion and Smoot when our pass rush is anemic? If we can make Fitzpatrick look like Peyton Manning because he has 8 seconds in the pocket what will happen against the better teams?

Why is Marsh on the field at all? He's just a guy.

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Bingo I posted this in the other thread but I guess it applies here too. There is no way Gostis should be out snapping Smoot and Chaisson when you only have 1 sack thru 3 games to show for it.

Why can’t they figure out how to get a Chassion and Allen on the field together for more then a few plays? 

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...02597?s=21

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...72609?s=21

Why is Gostis out snapping Chassion and Smoot when our pass rush is anemic? If we can make Fitzpatrick look like Peyton Manning because he has 8 seconds in the pocket what will happen against the better teams?

Why is Marsh on the field at all? He's just a guy.

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2017? Pfft.

I was calling for this back in '95.

Please, I was calling for todd wash's head in 17 BC.. I remember posting it on the forums on my iStone 11.

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Todd Wash and still running Gus Bradley's cover 3 team. Seattle ran this successfully for years but even they changed it. Offensive coordinators have figured out how to beat it. Wash needs fired

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Todd Wash and still running Gus Bradley's cover 3 team.   Seattle ran this successfully  for years but even they changed it.  Offensive coordinators have figured out how to beat it.  Wash needs fired

Niners and Chargers seem to be able to run it.

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Bingo I posted this in the other thread but I guess it applies here too. There is no way Gostis should be out snapping Smoot and Chaisson when you only have 1 sack thru 3 games to show for it.

Why can’t they figure out how to get a Chassion and Allen on the field together for more then a few plays? 

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...02597?s=21

https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...72609?s=21

Why is Gostis out snapping Chassion and Smoot when our pass rush is anemic? If we can make Fitzpatrick look like Peyton Manning because he has 8 seconds in the pocket what will happen against the better teams?

Why is Marsh on the field at all? He's just a guy.

Because Jacobs tore his ACL early in the game last night... So expect to see a lot more of Marsh.

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Todd Wash and still running Gus Bradley's cover 3 team.   Seattle ran this successfully  for years but even they changed it.  Offensive coordinators have figured out how to beat it.  Wash needs fired

Niners and Chargers seem to be able to run it.

They both have better DCs though. 

Bradley may have been a bad HC, but he's still/always has been a good DC and Robert Saleh is a better coach than Wash. Granted, Saleh has/had a boat load of talent on that 49ers Defense. A bunch of 1st round picks.

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Agree on all counts here TK.

He is the problem - regardless of talent or not.

I understand the emotional fan frustration about the defensive production (I am in agreement), but nobody has any solutions.  I'm fine with getting rid of Wash... but what would you change on our D from a tactical scheme standpoint?  The problem is LACK OF TALENT.   You could reincarnate Buddy Ryan to coach this defense and it would still stink.

No its not, when he had talent they were still terrible. It took an extremely high level of talent for them to be good and that lasted about 14 games.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I understand the emotional fan frustration about the defensive production (I am in agreement), but nobody has any solutions.  I'm fine with getting rid of Wash... but what would you change on our D from a tactical scheme standpoint?  The problem is LACK OF TALENT.   You could reincarnate Buddy Ryan to coach this defense and it would still stink.

No its not, when he had talent they were still terrible. It took an extremely high level of talent for them to be good and that lasted about 14 games.

I'm pretty sure we had the #2 defense in the NFL for 2017 and Top 5 in 2018 (with a brutal offense).  What are you talking about?

And it DOES take talent to be good. Exactly my point. We don't have any.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Todd Wash and still running Gus Bradley's cover 3 team.   Seattle ran this successfully  for years but even they changed it.  Offensive coordinators have figured out how to beat it.  Wash needs fired

Niners and Chargers seem to be able to run it.

It needs lots of talent to run in successfully.  We lack talent in almost every position.

The Team can't run a base Cover 2 or Cover 3 scheme. Our defensive line is not good enough to pressure the QB on their own. The secondary is asked to cover too long. This team needs to get created with the blitz.

3-4 would be our best bet. We have the Nose tackle and big men to put up front. Let Josh Allen and Myles Jack Roam and bring the heat standing up.

The Jaguars are currently mostly rushing 4 and playing soft zone in the secondary. When they play man to man it is also a disaster. Bottom line is this team needs to be creative to pressure the QB. Opposing QB's are too comfortable against us. River, Fitz, and Tannehill had a field day due to the lack of pass rush. We can't affect the QB.

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