Yawn.

 

Anything else?

Yes. Is what I said not true? Because that's exactly what you're doing. 

 

You're shying away, once again.

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Either you answer the question I posed in the quote you responded to, or go ramble to someone else.

 

Simple as that.

 

Right. Ignore valid points, backed with statistics, because I didn't answer a post. I don't even know which one you're referring to; it isn't as though I've ignored your opinion.

 

I've addressed the ones I've seen, but you haven't even answered these simple questions.

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To you it may seem like a correlation, but to me I never talked about "percentages" of Black coaches outpacing the black population because I wasn't fixated on that aspect.

 

He didnt put a link beind his statement that you coined "factual".

 

Again, this thread is about Russell Wilson and his accomplishment of being the second Black QB to win a Super Bowl.

 

Now im paranoid.

 

You talked extensively about the low number of black head coaches. I disagreed. I said that they outnumber their percentage in the US population. 

 

James, you're better than that. I'm not a liar. I used the numbers from the US census. I had to do the math myself, but it is correct. They may be off by a fraction of a percent or something. 

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That is true.

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It has zero to do with me. I can't influence anyone on here.

I couldn’t wait to expand on this when I got back in town from the Magic game last night.

 

Trav, I don’t want you to take this personal, or as me being sarcastic, in fact im going to preface this as me not even painting you or myself in any particular light. What I am about to say is purely genuine and authentic as I can get.

 

In all the years I have participated in various forms whether its sports, news, social, etc, I have never personally witnessed a person who is a message board member with such great appeal to influence those who he come into contact with such as yourself. Again, this isn’t a jab or a slight towards you and it shouldn’t be ensuiated as such.

 

Throughout my history, there have been people whether its on here (or on other boards ive participated in) that surly stirs debate, or brings put certain emotions in others which can be good or bad. Those people will always come and go and will always be a part of the fabric of a message board culture. What I have never seen is a person who has great influential measures who can consistently point and say “Look guys, this has always been his agenda”, or “Now people have seen the light” when describing another message board member’s actions or intentions.  I say it has power because when people are able to not properly decipher agreements and disagreements in a discussion but solely focus on just the disagreements alone because of emotions (or assumptions) they have about another member caused by someone’s influence, that carries significant weight.

 

Again, as I said earlier this is not a attempt to paint you or myself in any light. I am just looking at what you have done as a amazing tactical feat. The reason why I consider it as such is because you (whether others want to publicly admit it or not) have gotten poster’s to compare me to another member TMD, who ironically from viewing his discussions on here has a trait (expressing different POV’s) that you (or someone you have convinced) have convinced other people that we share. This is by no means is an attempt to play myself as the victim, as being ostracized, or yourself as a bully which I want to clarify.

 

One of the other reasons why I wanted to acknowledge your influence is because of different stances have had regarding social issues that have been discussed on here. One thread I am going to reference in particular is the RG3 Cornball thread from a few years ago for a few reasons.

 

I posted in that thread with my beliefs on how I feel about (Rob) Parker’s comments on RG3, and how it pertains to race relations is America, you disagreed with my stance and that turned into a discussion that was appx 13 pages in length with both sides containing healthy dialog albeit disagreements. Another person who gave his stance in that thread was Dakota. I disagreed with him as well. The reason why I brought him up will come later. My point is that since the first discussion we had about race resulted in stark contrasts, this was a build up for you to convince people who I am as a poster, hence the “this is his agenda” line.

 

I stayed back and observed just theoretically coming up with questions as to what are you trying to build up, or who are you trying to convince. Even though I was a long time lurker, at that time I had only been officially registered with the board since July 2012.I didn’t know who had “issues” with who, etc. I viewed it as someone who has a stark contrast to your opinion, but somehow its turned into my agenda.

 

As time went on we had our share of agreements and disagreements. I never took any of them personal, as I stated such.  Fast forward to now and the CVS thread.

One of the things I think frustrated you (and a few others) was how I handled my own discussions. The belief was that I am not willing to reconsider my position on certain topics and I disagreed with that notion. All it took was someone being able to take that step and understand where I was coming from, even if they disagreed with the format of my argument, or my whole argument altogether, while maintaining a respectful response. In my disagreements with you, I had a hard time meeting you in the middle because when others would chime in with their disagreements, you would not respond to me with dialog, but rather influence them with “what my agenda is”.

 

When Dakota gave his response, TBH I was genuinely surprised, but more elated at the fact that someone could actually put a respectful response together, and maintain their disagreements with me.

 

I understand everyone is not like him and is different, and will have different reactions to what I post, but I have agreed with things people post on here who probably have me blocked.

Again, the point of this response is to just say I am in awe of your influence, and please don’t take it the wrong way, or assume it as me underlining you on here.

 

Yes. Is what I said not true? Because that's exactly what you're doing. 

 

You're shying away, once again.

 

That's your opinion.

 

I guess you were blinded by the fact I agree with you on the rappers being released from jail in the other thread.

 

Anymore questions?

 

Right. Ignore valid points, backed with statistics, because I didn't answer a post. I don't even know which one you're referring to; it isn't as though I've ignored your opinion.

 

I've addressed the ones I've seen, but you haven't even answered these simple questions.

You talked extensively about the low number of black head coaches. I disagreed. I said that they outnumber their percentage in the US population. 

 

James, you're better than that. I'm not a liar. I used the numbers from the US census. I had to do the math myself, but it is correct. They may be off by a fraction of a percent or something. 

 

I didnt ignore your points, I just disagreed with them and saw no value with what im discussing with regards to black head coaches and the population of black men in america.

 

Listen, JagN, I am not going to change how I feel. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

JFC, if your response is I disagree without explaining why you disagree with his post/point/argument than you are ignoring his post.  He took time to respond to you, gave you a well thought out response, backed it up with numbers, etc...  Its is okay to disagree.  But seems weak to not even give the poster the time of day when they responded to your post and just say, well that is how I feel.  Okay, explain.  Why do you feel his argument has no relevance to the minority coaching argument?  Why do the odds, which he presented, not matter?  What is even worse is you state you saw no value (again completely dismissing his post) while never explaining why it has no value in the argument.

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JFC, if your response is I disagree without explaining why you disagree with his post/point/argument than you are ignoring his post.  He took time to respond to you, gave you a well thought out response, backed it up with numbers, etc...  Its is okay to disagree.  But seems weak to not even give the poster the time of day when they responded to your post and just say, well that is how I feel.  Okay, explain.  Why do you feel his argument has no relevance to the minority coaching argument?  Why do the odds, which he presented, not matter?  What is even worse is you state you saw no value (again completely dismissing his post) while never explaining why it has no value in the argument.

 

I'm not saying this is what JFC is doing....but.....a lot of times when you realize there is a good counter point to the discussion, sometimes the best way out is ignoring or deflecting.

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I'm not saying this is what JFC is doing....but.....a lot of times when you realize there is a good counter point to the discussion, sometimes the best way out is ignoring or deflecting.

 

Don't forget the classic Dismiss Out Of Hand. That's a favorite too, especially when you use a one word answer like "yawn."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm not saying this is what JFC is doing....but.....a lot of times when you realize there is a good counter point to the discussion, sometimes the best way out is ignoring or deflecting.

You said out loud what I was thinking and something he seems to do in other threads.

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JFC, if your response is I disagree without explaining why you disagree with his post/point/argument than you are ignoring his post.  He took time to respond to you, gave you a well thought out response, backed it up with numbers, etc...  Its is okay to disagree.  But seems weak to not even give the poster the time of day when they responded to your post and just say, well that is how I feel.  Okay, explain.  Why do you feel his argument has no relevance to the minority coaching argument?  Why do the odds, which he presented, not matter?  What is even worse is you state you saw no value (again completely dismissing his post) while never explaining why it has no value in the argument.

 

It's really bizarre you want me to keep going around in circles repeating the same thing over and over again.

 

He responded to my quote that wasn't even intended for him with an answer that didn't relate to my point at hand which is something you and he desperately equate in your own minds.

 

You and other people cant seem to grasp the simple concept that we are viewing this from two totally different angles. I realize that, but you have a serious problem with it. 

 

There is nothing else to squeeze out of this discussion as well, but you and the message board experts will keep is going with retread drivel.

 

*yawn*

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

It's really bizarre you want me to keep going around in circles repeating the same thing over and over again.

 

He responded to my quote that wasn't even intended for him with an answer that didn't relate to my point at hand which is something you and he desperately equate in your own minds.

 

You and other people cant seem to grasp the simple concept that we are viewing this from two totally different angles. I realize that, but you have a serious problem with it. 

 

There is nothing else to squeeze out of this discussion as well, but you and the message board experts will keep is going with retread drivel.

 

*yawn*

 

ironic...

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ironic...

 

*yawns again*

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

It's really bizarre you want me to keep going around in circles repeating the same thing over and over again.

 

He responded to my quote that wasn't even intended for him with an answer that didn't relate to my point at hand which is something you and he desperately equate in your own minds.

 

You and other people cant seem to grasp the simple concept that we are viewing this from two totally different angles. I realize that, but you have a serious problem with it. 

 

There is nothing else to squeeze out of this discussion as well, but you and the message board experts will keep is going with retread drivel.

 

*yawn*

 

What is bizarre is your refusal to respond and explain why you disagree with his take.  And it definitely relates to the topic.  He may see it from a different angle, but to say it didn't relate to your point is flat out false.  Are you just unable to explain/articulate why his take/angle is wrong?  

 

So, if you make an argument and someone disagrees with it while making very valid points in which you for some reason can't counter, your answer is lets move on, we disagree.  I mean, is your point/argument so weak that you can't even explain why you disagree?  

 

This is a message board.  If you post something anyone can respond to your take.  It doesn't matter if your post was directed at him or not.  

 

Retread drivel...  Irony at its best.  

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*yawns again*

If you're so bored with the conversation...why bother coming in here any longer?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

JFC, I appreciate the thought out response. I do disagree though. My posts have never been  meant to influence anyone, and I think the power to even try that is particularly hard on a message board. I think the posts over time speak for themselves and people see for themselves and make conclusions based on that. Most stay as far away as possible from ruffling feathers. I don't mind back to back banter.

 

Have a good one JFC, I still like ya.

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What is bizarre is your refusal to respond and explain why you disagree with his take.  And it definitely relates to the topic.  He may see it from a different angle, but to say it didn't relate to your point is flat out false.  Are you just unable to explain/articulate why his take/angle is wrong?  

 

So, if you make an argument and someone disagrees with it while making very valid points in which you for some reason can't counter, your answer is lets move on, we disagree.  I mean, is your point/argument so weak that you can't even explain why you disagree?  

 

This is a message board.  If you post something anyone can respond to your take.  It doesn't matter if your post was directed at him or not.  

 

Retread drivel...  Irony at its best.  

 

I am unable to "explain/articulate" his point because I dont understand it and see any relation to what I am saying. If its making you this upset and enraged that I am not giving you the answers you want to hear, then I cant help you with that.  You keep asking the same question 27 different ways, I am not going to change my response.

 

You are correct when it comes to regards to anyone being able to respond to anyone's response(s), but dont throw a female dog fit when someone dosent understand their point.

 

If you're so bored with the conversation...why bother coming in here any longer?

 

I was yawning because I was tired of the lag on different websites I was shopping for.

 

The responses were boring as well.

 

JFC, I appreciate the thought out response. I do disagree though. My posts have never been  meant to influence anyone, and I think the power to even try that is particularly hard on a message board. I think the posts over time speak for themselves and people see for themselves and make conclusions based on that. Most stay as far away as possible from ruffling feathers. I don't mind back to back banter.

 

Have a good one JFC, I still like ya.

 

It’s understandable if you disagree Trav. I am only speaking from how I feel and what I observed.

 

As I said earlier, it is extremely hard to influence people on a message board, but its not impossible.

 

You are correct, someone’s posts speak for themselves over time, but I have another quick observation I would like to point out.

The other topic I have spoken very often on is my support for Tim Tebow.

 

In brief, I have maintained (to the disdain of some people on here) my support and confidence of Tebow as a NFL QB. That discussion as well presented stark contrast on opinions’ and I never swayed on my stance of him in regards to his potential in the NFL.

 

The point is ive never seen you in those discussions influence other posters by saying you are “showing them the light” in regards to pointing out my character as a poster.

I would like your hear your response to that, but if you wish to not respond, I can understand that as well.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I am unable to "explain/articulate" his point because I dont understand it and see any relation to what I am saying. If its making you this upset and enraged that I am not giving you the answers you want to hear, then I cant help you with that.  You keep asking the same question 27 different ways, I am not going to change my response.

 

You are correct when it comes to regards to anyone being able to respond to anyone's response(s), but dont throw a female dog fit when someone dosent understand their point.

 

 

I was yawning because I was tired of the lag on different websites I was shopping for.

 

The responses were boring as well.

 

 

It’s understandable if you disagree Trav. I am only speaking from how I feel and what I observed.

 

As I said earlier, it is extremely hard to influence people on a message board, but its not impossible.

 

You are correct, someone’s posts speak for themselves over time, but I have another quick observation I would like to point out.

The other topic I have spoken very often on is my support for Tim Tebow.

 

In brief, I have maintained (to the disdain of some people on here) my support and confidence of Tebow as a NFL QB. That discussion as well presented stark contrast on opinions’ and I never swayed on my stance of him in regards to his potential in the NFL.

 

The point is ive never seen you in those discussions influence other posters by saying you are “showing them the light” in regards to pointing out my character as a poster.

I would like your hear your response to that, but if you wish to not respond, I can understand that as well.

Tebow is a terrible NFL QB. Love him as a Gator, but he isn't a pro QB. This has played out to be fact, and proven your theory wrong. Happy?

 

It's still comical that you feel I've influenced people to think a certain way. jtmoney, bch, etc are all bright people and see things for themselves.

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Tebow is a terrible NFL QB. Love him as a Gator, but he isn't a pro QB. This has played out to be fact, and proven your theory wrong. Happy?

 

It's still comical that you feel I've influenced people to think a certain way. jtmoney, bch, etc are all bright people and see things for themselves.

 

I am not questioning the disagreements on Tebow's potential, I am questioning you on why you didnt establish who I was as a poster in those threads as well?

 

To you it's comical, but I find it amazing and im in awe. I never said those people couldnt see things for themselves, again im just in awe.

 

I hope you dont take it as a personal slight, because that's not my intentions at all.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I am not questioning the disagreements on Tebow's potential, I am questioning you on why you didnt establish who I was as a poster in those threads as well?

 

To you it's comical, but I find it amazing and im in awe. I never said those people couldnt see things for themselves, again im just in awe.

 

I hope you dont take it as a personal slight, because that's not my intentions at all.

Your question is completely random and off the wall. I can't "establish" who posters are. The posts speak for themselves.

 

And how can I take anything as a "personal slight" when what is being said is completely inaccurate?

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TravC59, aka JacksJags. @TravC59 on Twitter
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Your question is completely random and off the wall. I can't "establish" who posters are. The posts speak for themselves.

 

And how can I take anything as a "personal slight" when what is being said is completely inaccurate?

 

Im very curious, what makes my question "off the wall"? It was a interesting observation I noticed and just wanted clarification from you.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.