The level of competition cannot be helped. As far as the size, Lawrence is definitely taller, but he's a tall QB. At 6'3" 210 lbs, Wilson is far from being a small QB. He's actually taller than Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson and those guys are considered pretty prototypical on their size. He could add some weight to his frame, but that will come. I have him just the slightest of hairs ahead of Lawrence right now, but I'd be thrilled with either guy. Outside of these two, I'd probably draft 2 QB's. One with our second 1st round pick and a project with high upside somewhere in the 4th or 5th round like Sam Ehlinger of Texas or Shane Buechele of SMU.

I totally agree about Fields.

You are the only person on planet earth who would rank Lawrence behind Wilson, but I suspect you like it that way.

For the Jaguars sake, I really hope the Jets adopt his opinions too - but sadly he's in special company with that take. Some people like to be edgy with their choices and then come back to them a year or so later to serve up crow if they finally hit on a pick. It's our message boards version of "clout".

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Wilson over Lawrence lol

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Wilson over Lawrence lol

Almost as silly as saying Minshew is better than Watson.

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You are the only person on planet earth who would rank Lawrence behind Wilson, but I suspect you like it that way.

For the Jaguars sake, I really hope the Jets adopt his opinions too - but sadly he's in special company with that take. Some people like to be edgy with their choices and then come back to them a year or so later to serve up crow if they finally hit on a pick. It's our message boards version of "clout".

A. I don't care about being "edgy". I just call it like I see it. Lawrence may be the "safer" pick, but I see some Pat Mahomes type traits in Wilson. Lawrence has a better chance to be a good NFL QB, but Wilson has a higher ceiling imo. 

B. I don't go looking for old post to dig up. I have better things to do with my time and I'm too lazy to go through hundreds of old posts. Other people on the board can do that if they want. I think it's a waste of time.

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As of now, I have the QB's ranked......

1. Zach Wilson, BYU
2. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson
3. Mac Jones, Alabama
4. Kyle Trask, Florida

Personally, I would be happy with any of these guys. I think this is a pretty deep class and all of these guys have a chance to be very good NFL starters.

I have Trask ahead of Jones.

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As of now, I have the QB's ranked......

1. Zach Wilson, BYU
2. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson
3. Mac Jones, Alabama
4. Kyle Trask, Florida

Personally, I would be happy with any of these guys. I think this is a pretty deep class and all of these guys have a chance to be very good NFL starters.

I have Trask ahead of Jones.

They are very similar, but I just like Jones' deep throws a little bit better. His ability to hit receivers in stride, is second only to Wilson IMO. I have them graded very closely.

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I have Trask ahead of Jones.

They are very similar, but I just like Jones' deep throws a little bit better. His ability to hit receivers in stride, is second only to Wilson IMO. I have them graded very closely.

The good thing is, we will get to see them head to head in the SEC Championship game and that will be the only comparison we will need.

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They are very similar, but I just like Jones' deep throws a little bit better. His ability to hit receivers in stride, is second only to Wilson IMO. I have them graded very closely.

The good thing is, we will get to see them head to head in the SEC Championship game and that will be the only comparison we will need.

I don't think that will be a valid comparison, because one of them will have to face a great defense and the other will not.

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The good thing is, we will get to see them head to head in the SEC Championship game and that will be the only comparison we will need.

I don't think that will be a valid comparison, because one of them will have to face a great defense and the other will not.

Which one? Neither have great defenses this year. Florida's is worse, but Alabama's is definitely not what they've had in the past. Alabama is giving up 357 total yards per game and Florida is giving up 381 total yards per game. That's pretty close. The difference is that Florida gives up more big plays, which result in points.

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Jones has much more talent around him than Trask does at every position other than TE

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Wilson over Lawrence lol

Almost as silly as saying Minshew is better than Watson.

I'd like to see a healthy Minshew with a top  5 LT, good oline and 2 good 1st round WRs like Watson has had the luxury of.  He lost Fuller yesterday and had 0 passing TDs and 1 INt. Last year Minshew did play better, he set rookie records with this trash team and bad coaching staff we had and went 6-6 and won 7 rookie of the weeks. He got hurt so its hard to say what he would have done, hell first game of the season before he got hurt he went 19 for 20 and 3 TDs,

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Wilson over Lawrence lol

Almost as silly as saying Minshew is better than Watson.

I do remember when Ramsey was supposedly hurt and getting burned almost every week you were always making excuses for him saying its because he's hurt.  Yet Minshews throwing hand has been hurt but he tried to hide it so he didn't lose his job you never defended him because of his injury.  You have a weird fetish with players that quit on this team and our enemies QB

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Tua vs Jones? Who do yall like better. I honestly think I might like Jones better. I have seen a lot more of Tua than Jones but I wasnt a huge fan of Tua because of the way he folds under pressure. I haven't seen that from Jones yet.

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Almost as silly as saying Minshew is better than Watson.

I'd like to see a healthy Minshew with a top  5 LT, good oline and 2 good 1st round WRs like Watson has had the luxury of.  He lost Fuller yesterday and had 0 passing TDs and 1 INt.  Last year Minshew did play better, he set rookie records with this trash team and bad coaching staff we had and went 6-6 and won 7 rookie of the weeks.  He got hurt so its hard to say what he would have done, hell first game of the season before he got hurt he went 19 for 20 and 3 TDs,

This. He's played behind nothing but turnstiles since starting. His game regressed last year and this after getting beat up and hurt because the Oline can't protect him. Give the guy more than a half second before he has to start running for his life and he'll play better.  

Earlier this season I was commenting on how he was seeing ghosts and simply looked stressed out on the field. We now know it's because he was nursing injuries caused by a line he can't trust. The dude was beat up physically and mentally.

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From Ask Vic:

Stephen from Jacksonville, FL
What are your thoughts on Kyle Trask? Is he a first-round pick?
Two of my favorite scouts love him. One of them has compared Trask to Ben Roethlisberger. As it stands right now, I think Trask is moving in right behind Lawrence.

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I'd like to see a healthy Minshew with a top  5 LT, good oline and 2 good 1st round WRs like Watson has had the luxury of.  He lost Fuller yesterday and had 0 passing TDs and 1 INt.  Last year Minshew did play better, he set rookie records with this trash team and bad coaching staff we had and went 6-6 and won 7 rookie of the weeks.  He got hurt so its hard to say what he would have done, hell first game of the season before he got hurt he went 19 for 20 and 3 TDs,

This. He's played behind nothing but turnstiles since starting. His game regressed last year and this after getting beat up and hurt because the Oline can't protect him. Give the guy more than a half second before he has to start running for his life and he'll play better.  

Earlier this season I was commenting on how he was seeing ghosts and simply looked stressed out on the field. We now know it's because he was nursing injuries caused by a line he can't trust. The dude was beat up physically and mentally.

I'm sorry. Are we really saying the Jags offensive line is worse then the Texans? I know both are bad, but I still think the Jags is better than theirs.

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This. He's played behind nothing but turnstiles since starting. His game regressed last year and this after getting beat up and hurt because the Oline can't protect him. Give the guy more than a half second before he has to start running for his life and he'll play better.  

Earlier this season I was commenting on how he was seeing ghosts and simply looked stressed out on the field. We now know it's because he was nursing injuries caused by a line he can't trust. The dude was beat up physically and mentally.

I'm sorry. Are we really saying the Jags offensive line is worse then the Texans? I know both are bad, but I still think the Jags is better than theirs.

In pass blocking by a good bit.  We are better at run blocking. They have one of the best LTs in the game in Tunsil and Howard isn't bad either. Taylor has gave up 5 sacks to Howard's 1

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From Ask Vic:

Stephen from Jacksonville, FL
What are your thoughts on Kyle Trask? Is he a first-round pick?
Two of my favorite scouts love him. One of them has compared Trask to Ben Roethlisberger. As it stands right now, I think Trask is moving in right behind Lawrence.

Trask is having a Burrow like season. If it wasn't for Lawrence, he would be in talks for the number one over all pick.

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I haven't watched tons of college football this year so I haven't seen much of these players other than highlights and a few quarters of games. So all of these opinions are based on very little sample size and whatever I've read.

With Trask, it is hard to know how strong his arm is as he does seem to put touch on the majority of this throws. Looking through his highlights, every now and then you see him throw it with velocity but it isn't often. And makes you wonder is he less confident and less accurate when having to do so. Or does he only do so when he feels like it is really needed. He seems like a very solid and efficient QB that is putting up huge numbers but have to admit I'm not wowed when I watch him play. That isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as he is accurate and reliably moves the ball down the field. But I feel like there arent a ton of highlight plays. Which makes me wonder how high the ceiling is.

Justin Fields scares me just because running is such a big part of his game. With the way the NFL is played now, a running QB scares me less as you cant really hit a guy even when he moves out of the pocket and takes off down the field. But running QBs, especially in college, tend to be throwing to wide open receivers and have a lot of time to throw. One of the criticisms of Haskins when he was at Ohio St was that he had all day to throw, was benefiting from tons of yards after the catch, and that his numbers when pressured really tanked. And Haskins wasnt even a running QB but Ohio St's talent is usually so much better than their opponents. I havent seen the similar analysis on Fields yet but have heard those concerns dont apply to him nearly as much as Haskins. But when pressured is he just taking off running where Haskins was forced to throw? Who knows. side note, did anyone listen to Prisco and Boselli a few weeks ago on their monday night show? They were talking about how with Lamar Jackson, everyone was so afraid of his running and were playing zone behind him. But now defenses are playing a lot more tight man and Lamar's failings as a pure passer are getting more exposed. Always the concern with QBs where running is such a huge part of their game.

Didnt see any of Zach Wilson against Coastal Carolina but was disappointed by the numbers. Obviously CC is having a great year but would like to think a first round QB would light them up. I'm sure Wilson isn't playing with elite talent around him the way these other guys are but still. From a pure skills standpoint, I like him better than everyone but Lawrence. The guy has a big arm and is surprising mobile but running isnt really part of his game. Just an added dimension when needed. Seems like he could be a real boom or bust prospect.

Have seen even less of Mac Jones but the few quarters of games I saw, he just screamed Bama QB to me. Maybe the guy is much more talented than I realize and I just havent seen him enough.

My opinion on all these guys is subject to change if I ever get around to watching more. At this point I dont think I'd have a problem drafting Trask, Fields, or Wilson in the first. #2 may sound high for some but not sure we could afford to take a chance any would be there in the mid-20s. QB is all that matters anymore so you have to swing for the fence whenever the opportunity presents itself. Still hoping we can somehow land the first pick in the draft though.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

The good thing is, we will get to see them head to head in the SEC Championship game and that will be the only comparison we will need.

I don't think that will be a valid comparison, because one of them will have to face a great defense and the other will not.

And one of them has an elite RB and like 3 (4 if Waddle is there) really good receiving threats.
Everyone was bagging on how Trask is surrounded by all this talent... but outside of Pitts and Toney I don't think anyone on UF is that special.

I think Jones has a lot more talent around him from the backfield to the WRs and on the other side of the ball (not that Bama has a traditional dominant Bama D this year)

After watching the majority of the season, I just hope my Gators can keep it entertaining and competitive in ATL. An upset of Bama is unlikely and might qualify as upset of the year only to likely have to face them again in the playoff..... something about lightning not striking the same place twice.....

As per how the QBs are ranked... I still see Jones and Trask as late first rounders. And yeah I'd have Trask just ahead of Jones because I believe Jones is benefitting from having an elite allstar cast around him. Benefits greatly from Najee. Ranking Wilson really high after not really impressing against Coastal Carolina is a head scratcher (Better than Lawrence? Cmon man) but he's got the arm so he probably remains ahead of Trask and Jones. I think Fields is the high risk high reward QB and Lawrence, remains, the safest QB prospect of this draft. He has all the tools, size, arm, mobility, intelligence. I wasn't so high on Lawrence last year, I've watched enough this year it's hard to make a sane argument for any QB above him.

I'm still not COMPLETELY sold of Fields. Murdering Mich St doesn't really move the needle for me. Eager to see him in playoffs vs real competition cuz the B10 just ain't it. Although Indiana's D gave him his best challenge.

Wilson has the tools but I think will take some time to adjust the NFL skill level teams... 
I've said it before, I think how the draft shakes out (after Lawrence at 1, unless the Jets do Jets things and screw that up too) these guys get drafted based on who the GM/coach is and what KIND of QB they prefer. Some think the pure pocket passer is dying in the NFL... I don't think so. Cuz for all the razzamatazz of a guy like Murray and Jackson... they're losing games because of what they can't do from the pocket. Guys like Big Ben and Brady and Rivers are STILL winning without being runners.
The RPO QB running thing is just a wrinkle in the NFL (I won't say FAD cuz it's lasted long enough) But I doubt we have seen the death of the pure pocket passer.

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I don't think that will be a valid comparison, because one of them will have to face a great defense and the other will not.

Which one? Neither have great defenses this year. Florida's is worse, but Alabama's is definitely not what they've had in the past. Alabama is giving up 357 total yards per game and Florida is giving up 381 total yards per game. That's pretty close. The difference is that Florida gives up more big plays, which result in points.

Yeah I think the biggest differences in the two teams in that Jones has more weapons on offense and a run game.
Smith, Metchi, Billingsly, (and the injured Waddle), Najee > Pitts, Toney, Copeland, Grimes, Malik Davis

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Give me Wilson or Trask and I will be stoked. Fields I will be meh. Don't want Jones.

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