Yeah Garrard threw INTs at a clip that was laughable sometimes really. But 07 he captured lightning in a bottle. Think he had 3 INTs the whole year.
Bortles also threw a lot of picks and had quite a few dropped.

And yeah, I'd probably put them in the same category. But I still think Garrard was a better QB.
Which I guess is like picking the best looking ugly one or whatever, but yeah.

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For me it's like "aw yeah, this is our year" and then by week 4 I'm like "well if we can just have a respectable season around 8-8....." and by late October "So what's up with the draft?"

Every. Year. (save for once every 10 years when we make the playoffs)

Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Pitts at 25 would be a steal.
Jim Schwartz getting canned by the Iggles you think?

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Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Pitts at 25 would be a steal.
Jim Schwartz getting canned by the Iggles you think?

I think Pederson is gone which means his whole staff is likely gone.

Wade Phillips also seems to be a popular choice for young HCs because he himself has HC experience.

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Yeah Garrard threw INTs at a clip that was laughable sometimes really. But 07 he captured lightning in a bottle. Think he had 3 INTs the whole year.
Bortles also threw a lot of picks and had quite a few dropped.

And yeah, I'd probably put them in the same category. But I still think Garrard was a better QB.
Which I guess is like picking the best looking ugly one or whatever, but yeah.

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For me it's like "aw yeah, this is our year" and then by week 4 I'm like "well if we can just have a respectable season around 8-8....." and by late October "So what's up with the draft?"

Every. Year. (save for once every 10 years when we make the playoffs)

Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Sign me up for that.

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Lol did y'all actually even watch Garrard or Bortles or are you just spouting off after doing a little googling? Garrard had three seasons where he was almost exactly average on a per throw basis, two seasons where he was comfortably above average, and his 2007 season was legitimately almost MVP caliber. Anyone saying Bortles was better is looking at overall stats in a pass happy era where he was playing from behind all the time and not looking at the far more useful rate stats. Garrard >>>>.

Garrard also was way above average in INT% to whoever it was that said he threw at lot of INTs. Several seasons where he was in the 10-20% above average range and then again in his fantastic 2007 season he led the league in INT%.

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Pitts at 25 would be a steal.
Jim Schwartz getting canned by the Iggles you think?

I think Pederson is gone which means his whole staff is likely gone.

Wade Phillips also seems to be a popular choice for young HCs because he himself has HC experience.

I'd be down for either of those guys at DC. Everywhere they've gone have had decent to great defenses.
Phillips has experience with multiple fronts/schemes too.

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Yeah Garrard threw INTs at a clip that was laughable sometimes really. But 07 he captured lightning in a bottle. Think he had 3 INTs the whole year.
Bortles also threw a lot of picks and had quite a few dropped.

And yeah, I'd probably put them in the same category. But I still think Garrard was a better QB.
Which I guess is like picking the best looking ugly one or whatever, but yeah.

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For me it's like "aw yeah, this is our year" and then by week 4 I'm like "well if we can just have a respectable season around 8-8....." and by late October "So what's up with the draft?"

Every. Year. (save for once every 10 years when we make the playoffs)

Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Don't you do this!

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My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches.  Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.

Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true  that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.

You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.

In all due respect, go back and look at David Garrard completion percentage which was very similar to Blake and David Garrard route tree was very limited. Go back and look at David Garrard film he threw a lot of Slants, 5 yard button hooks, and occasionally a seam route. He fed off the running game and was a perfect game manager but I never asked David Garrard to go out and win games for the team.

Also, do not blame Blake Bortles 4 Doug Marrone cowardness in the AFC Championship game. Doug Marrone sat on his Laurel instead of trusting his quarterback to make the plays like he did in the previous week versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is a reason why that Doug Marrone is going to be fired at the end of this year because he's not a good coach at all

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My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches.  Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.

Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true  that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.

You're insane. And either a Bortles leg humping apologist who can't let go or a troll.
Bortles was so bad when he was good he was still bad.

Let's be clear, I'm not a Blake Bortles apologist or leg Humper but I am ejective when it comes to Blake Bortles and David Garrard career because I watch both of them in their Prime. David Garrard had more to work with and accomplished less than what Blake did under similar circumstances. It's easy to dismiss Blake because when he was bad he was terrible but same time, when he was good he was great as well so let's not Blake career was similar to Kyle Boller or Blaine Gabbert.

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Lol did y'all actually even watch Garrard or Bortles or are you just spouting off after doing a little googling? Garrard had three seasons where he was almost exactly average on a per throw basis, two seasons where he was comfortably above average, and his 2007 season was legitimately almost MVP caliber. Anyone saying Bortles was better is looking at overall stats in a pass happy era where he was playing from behind all the time and not looking at the far more useful rate stats. Garrard >>>>.

Garrard also was way above average in INT% to whoever it was that said he threw at lot of INTs. Several seasons where he was in the 10-20% above average range and then again in his fantastic 2007 season he led the league in INT%.

Kane was responding to my post where I correctly said Garrard was a lucky QB. He routinely threw the ball in the defenses hands that were then dropped. Happened 3 or 4 times every game.

They both weren't taking a team anywhere without every other aspect of the team being perfect.

Garrard was better... but like Kane said, it's which girl is the better looking between Kirsten Dunst and Sarah Jessica Parker... they're both gross

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Bottles threw WAY more pick 6's than Garrard, and had many more off-the-helmet and batted passes as well. His passing stats were certainly inflated because of the era in which he played.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Don't you do this!

I’ve been fairly pessimistic the last few seasons (and for good reason). That’s mainly because all the Jags good players were shown the door while bad ones were kept. Then the Jags had no QB or future QB. And then on top of that, bad/lame duck coaches. Game 1 gave everyone Hope saying “look! We won’t be bad!”...... nope. Same old Jags.

However, now the Jags are on target for a top 2 QB, a wealth of cap space and a new (hopefully offensive minded) HC.

That’s a lot to hit on but the opportunity is there and I don’t think it’s been there for a while.

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Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.

Don't you do this!

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Don't you do this!

I’ve been fairly pessimistic the last few seasons (and for good reason). That’s mainly because all the Jags good players were shown the door while bad ones were kept. Then the Jags had no QB or future QB. And then on top of that, bad/lame duck coaches. Game 1 gave everyone Hope saying “look! We won’t be bad!”...... nope. Same old Jags.

However, now the Jags are on target for a top 2 QB, a wealth of cap space and a new (hopefully offensive minded) HC.

That’s a lot to hit on but the opportunity is there and I don’t think it’s been there for a while.

I'm usually on the more optimistic side but I totally get here you're coming from. The table is set pretty nice. 

Then again... I'll believe it when I see it. 

Don't you do this!

Haha!

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I know its 1-15 coming soon, but im enjoying watching these games for the most part. To be clear, i hate the losing. However, With a good draft along with a good gm (hopefully)  (new head coach) (d coach)
We all might have some fun things too watch next season. Hopefully for real

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You're insane. And either a Bortles leg humping apologist who can't let go or a troll.
Bortles was so bad when he was good he was still bad.

Let's be clear, I'm not a Blake Bortles apologist or leg Humper but I am ejective when it comes to Blake Bortles and David Garrard career because I watch both of them in their Prime. David Garrard had more to work with and accomplished less than what Blake did under similar circumstances. It's easy to dismiss Blake because when he was bad he was terrible but same time, when he was good he was great as well so let's not Blake career was similar to Kyle Boller or Blaine Gabbert.

Oh jeez man... just stop.

You're ejective? lol

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Gotta love when people want as a HC a OC with 1 year of experience. The OC for a 4-9 team, no less.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

I usually don't peruse the "OMG the qbsuxx" threads, but the last couple of pages makes me wonder..

There's no doubt Brunell was the best Jags QB, but there's legit argument about second best.

With all the talk about who sucked worse, Bortles or Garrard (for the record, it was Bortles), does that mean that Minshew is now the second best Jags QB ever?

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You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.

In all due respect, go back and look at David Garrard completion percentage which was very similar to Blake and David Garrard route tree was very limited. Go back and look at David Garrard film he threw a lot of Slants, 5 yard button hooks, and occasionally a seam route. He fed off the running game and was a perfect game manager but I never asked David Garrard to go out and win games for the team.

Also, do not blame Blake Bortles 4 Doug Marrone cowardness in the AFC Championship game. Doug Marrone sat on his Laurel instead of trusting his quarterback to make the plays like he did in the previous week versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is a reason why that Doug Marrone is going to be fired at the end of this year because he's not a good coach at all

This is so misleading. Garrard had Reggie Williams, Dennis Northcutt & Matt Jones who all couldn't catch a cold let alone get open/separation on their routes; anyone remember the AFC Divisional round where Dave put the ball on their hands in the endzone and it was just flat out dropped each time? Garrard's best throw was the slant but he could hit every throw in an nfl playbook, we didn't have the receivers to take advantage of some routes so Koetter didn't dial them up, Garrard in 2010 routinely won us games to get the team to 8-8 while the Defense was putrid. Give Garrard Allen Robinson & Allen Hurns from 2015 and he'd look like Drew Brees.

In no universe is Bortles better than Garrard. Also we really downplay how good Garrard was around here, he wasn't just a game manager he was a top half QB in the league for a while.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Lol did y'all actually even watch Garrard or Bortles or are you just spouting off after doing a little googling? Garrard had three seasons where he was almost exactly average on a per throw basis, two seasons where he was comfortably above average, and his 2007 season was legitimately almost MVP caliber. Anyone saying Bortles was better is looking at overall stats in a pass happy era where he was playing from behind all the time and not looking at the far more useful rate stats. Garrard >>>>.

Garrard also was way above average in INT% to whoever it was that said he threw at lot of INTs. Several seasons where he was in the 10-20% above average range and then again in his fantastic 2007 season he led the league in INT%.

Kane was responding to my post where I correctly said Garrard was a lucky QB. He routinely threw the ball in the defenses hands that were then dropped. Happened 3 or 4 times every game.

They both weren't taking a team anywhere without every other aspect of the team being perfect.

Garrard was better... but like Kane said, it's which girl is the better looking between Kirsten Dunst and Sarah Jessica Parker... they're both gross

LOL! That's so true.

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I usually don't peruse the "OMG the qbsuxx" threads, but the last couple of pages makes me wonder..

There's no doubt Brunell was the best Jags QB, but there's legit argument about second best.  

With all the talk about who sucked worse, Bortles or Garrard (for the record, it was Bortles), does that mean that Minshew is now the second best Jags QB ever?

When that is who we have to pick from, regarding who is the 2nd best QB in franchise history, you know you're rooting for a perennial loser. This whole discussion just makes me depressed! How could we go 25 years with only one good QB? Not a great QB, but a good one. That is sad!

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