Weird.. 

Let me guess......the one that an idiot was forced to say after orchestrating and promoting a violent siege of the US Capitol.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night, Karen..

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I was born in the 80's...  I'm old enough to remember when the Women's march openly bragged on Twitter that they were going to "Swarm the Capitol."  They said it openly, loudly, used Social Media to recruit supporters.  Then, as promised they went in and took over the capitol.  Two rioters trapped Jeff Flake in an Elevator and screamed at him to withhold his vote to send Kavanaugh's nomination out of committee.  

These same people chasing us from the public square still promote and vibe with the leadership of that march.  Who got banned?  Who went to jail?  The biggest difference is that they just didn't meet any resistance.

Did they erect a gallows and chant about hanging the Vice President of the US?

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I was born in the 80's...  I'm old enough to remember when the Women's march openly bragged on Twitter that they were going to "Swarm the Capitol."  They said it openly, loudly, used Social Media to recruit supporters.  Then, as promised they went in and took over the capitol.  Two rioters trapped Jeff Flake in an Elevator and screamed at him to withhold his vote to send Kavanaugh's nomination out of committee.  

These same people chasing us from the public square still promote and vibe with the leadership of that march.  Who got banned?  Who went to jail?  The biggest difference is that they just didn't meet any resistance.

Did they erect a gallows and chant about hanging the Vice President of the US?

No, they dressed as vajayjays

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Did they erect a gallows and chant about hanging the Vice President of the US?

No, they dressed as vajayjays

LOL 
The filter caught it, but after checking mod view...

Good one

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No, they dressed as vajayjays

LOL 
The filter caught it, but after checking mod view...

Good one

Yeah good thing we don't have a biology sub forum on the site haha

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Fascism is an ideology that proposes a revolution to replace a capitalist republic with something more centralized and unified in purpose.  In this way it's just like communism.  It's just that fascism makes its appeal to the class that owns the land and the factories, proposing that they get to keep what they have and lead the government, while communism makes its pitch to the workers, saying that they'll get to take what the owners have and then lead the government.  Both of them devolve into just one guy leading the government, with all of his rivals for power dead.

Well, that's close to the point I was making that jj was weakly contesting. Look up palingenetic ultranationalism, then tell me how that differs from Trumpism, especially considering their recent insurrection against the United States.

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Weird.. 

Let me guess......the one that an idiot was forced to say after orchestrating and promoting a violent siege of the US Capitol.

Lucky to last already showed u the recipts about what Trump actually said.

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Fascism is an ideology that proposes a revolution to replace a capitalist republic with something more centralized and unified in purpose.  In this way it's just like communism.  It's just that fascism makes its appeal to the class that owns the land and the factories, proposing that they get to keep what they have and lead the government, while communism makes its pitch to the workers, saying that they'll get to take what the owners have and then lead the government.  Both of them devolve into just one guy leading the government, with all of his rivals for power dead.

Well, that's close to the point I was making that jj was weakly contesting. Look up palingenetic ultranationalism, then tell me how that differs from Trumpism, especially considering their recent insurrection against the United States.

In every way, the democratic movement is closer to fascist Germany except one. They are globalists. They have merged corporate and political control and are working to make this is a one party state. If they were nationalists instead of globalists, you have NAZI Germany. So, hide behind that technicality if you want. Trump didn't do a single thing that was fascist except promote nationalism, which is not fascist by any means.

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Let me guess......the one that an idiot was forced to say after orchestrating and promoting a violent siege of the US Capitol.

Like so many others, your hatred of Trump has destroyed all objectivity.  OK, he's bad and he'll be gone in nine days.  

Now open your eyes and acknowledge the reality of the life we're facing.  The mainstream Democratic party is in a coma.  The far left has been controlling the agenda for years and it continues to become increasingly radical.  Do you really want to go where they're headed?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Let me guess......the one that an idiot was forced to say after orchestrating and promoting a violent siege of the US Capitol.

Like so many others, your hatred of Trump has destroyed all objectivity.  OK, he's bad and he'll be gone in nine days.  

Now open your eyes and acknowledge the reality of the life we're facing.  The mainstream Democratic party is in a coma.  The far left has been controlling the agenda for years and it continues to become increasingly radical.  Do you really want to go where they're headed?

This is like touching a hot stove. You can tell them its hot until you are blue in the face, but sometimes they just gotta touch it for themselves to confirm.

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Well, that's close to the point I was making that jj was weakly contesting. Look up palingenetic ultranationalism, then tell me how that differs from Trumpism, especially considering their recent insurrection against the United States.

In every way, the democratic movement is closer to fascist Germany except one. They are globalists. They have merged corporate and political control and are working to make this is a one party state. If they were nationalists instead of globalists, you have NAZI Germany. So, hide behind that technicality if you want. Trump didn't do a single thing that was fascist except promote nationalism, which is not fascist by any means.

There are many others.
Nazi Germany openly wished for war against its neighbors, and openly said that certain citizens should have citizenship taken away. Neither of these things map to ideology, they are too far removed from academic discussion.
There is another difference between the appeal of fascism and that of communism.  Fascism first mythologizes then seeks to restore the alleged former glory of one nation, relative to other nations.  But communism harks back to a time before the nation even existed, to an alleged simpler time of communal existence with a limited understanding of personal property and no slavery, and says if we give them absolute power, they can give us that.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

More on who some of the people were who stormed the Capitol.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020...cd6b55cace

Seems like a motley group of conspiracy theorists, Q-anon adherents, and militia members, with the usual nuts and flakes sprinkled in.

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Mike. You're missing the point again. There are lots of differences if you want to get into the minutia. But even accepting your point, those differences still are more closely aligned with the establishment and not trump. The word fascist is use by the left with virtually no context accept to malign their political opponent.

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Mike. You're missing the point again. There are lots of differences if you want to get into the minutia. But even accepting your point, those differences still are more closely aligned with the establishment and not trump. The word fascist is use by the left with virtually no context accept to malign their political opponent.

The most important aspects of fascism are absolute control by a tyrant (either an individual or party), violent suppression of dissent, and strict regimentation of society and the economy. The use of nationalism and the celebration of the military as the impetus is secondary to those aspects, and without them nationalism and the military alone are simply not fascism.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Mike. You're missing the point again. There are lots of differences if you want to get into the minutia. But even accepting your point, those differences still are more closely aligned with the establishment and not trump. The word fascist is use by the left with virtually no context accept to malign their political opponent.

I share your concern about the confluence of shutting down Parler while simultaneously elevating members of Facebook's board to government positions.  It rhymes with many other bad phases of history.  

But it may come to nothing - the people coming from facebook may merely have personal ambition. Facebook may have been their stepping stone into the rarefied upper echelons.  They may have no further loyalty to it once they get into government.  Even so, the goldman sachs drones that have already infected our government certainly had dual loyalty but didn't lead us into fascism either.

I share your alarm, but maybe not to the same magnitude.  But I don't think it's worthwhile to insist these things point to fascism but not communism.  I also think ignoring the links between Trump and fascism is foolish, regardless of if similar links are also found among the Democrats.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Dang... just realized I used accept instead of except. That hurts. Every time I post from my phone, I cringe when I get a chance to read it later.

Trump has done nothing fascist. He's a nationalist populist. Those types of leaders can certainly be dangerous, but, with the possible exception of one speech, he's done nothing to warrant being associated with fascism, or tyranny, or authoritarianism. He's not tried to create an ethno-state, he's not subject to corporate influence, he's not tried to create a single party state. In fact, it's his opposition to corporate/establishment control that has brought him the most harm. He's largely limited himself to the framework of the constitution and respected the role the governors play in state affairs.

The thing I think most of the moderate liberals fail to grasp is that Trump is not creating a base from thin air. People already feel this way about the establishment, and he is just tapping into that sentiment. Removing Trump without reigning in the "attack" on that base is going to do nothing but get them more agitated. The "Purge," as it was referred to in a different post, reinforces the idea that conservatives are increasingly having their voice silenced. That's being done through power moves, not in the sphere of public opinion.

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Dang... just realized I used accept instead of except. That hurts. Every time I post from my phone, I cringe when I get a chance to read it later.

Trump has done nothing fascist. He's a nationalist populist. Those types of leaders can certainly be dangerous, but, with the possible exception of one speech, he's done nothing to warrant being associated with fascism, or tyranny, or authoritarianism. He's not tried to create an ethno-state, he's not subject to corporate influence, he's not tried to create a single party state. In fact, it's his opposition to corporate/establishment control that has brought him the most harm. He's largely limited himself to the framework of the constitution and respected the role the governors play in state affairs.

The thing I think most of the moderate liberals fail to grasp is that Trump is not creating a base from thin air. People already feel this way about the establishment, and he is just tapping into that sentiment. Removing Trump without reigning in the "attack" on that base is going to do nothing but get them more agitated. The "Purge," as it was referred to in a different post, reinforces the idea that conservatives are increasingly having their voice silenced. That's being done through power moves, not in the sphere of public opinion.

In his official acts, Trump has moved to place himself above investigation, and above the law. That was from the beginning.  "It's not illegal if the President does it." Then, on Wednesday, he tried to intimidate and perhaps even physically harm members of Congress to extend his term in office.
More importantly to my point, is his rhetoric from the beginning follows this pattern:
"Fascism first mythologizes, then seeks to restore, the alleged former glory of one nation, relative to other nations."

Fascist might not be the best word, but it fits better than most.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

No it doesn't. He's a populist with slight nationalistic tendencies. He is not a full blown nationalist, because he's repeatedly expressed that other nations need to negotiate in their own self-interest. The dangerous part of nationalism is when you believe your country is intrinsically superior to others. Trump gets dangerously close to this in his rhetoric, but has not in policy. You should be reluctant to throw around that word with such blatant disregard for it's meaning.

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Can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?

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Can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?

No

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