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Jags Franchise Cam (merged)


(03-13-2021, 09:45 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: We will not have a chance to take the top rated LT, therefore Cam will be better than any other rookie option.

He was franchised and will probably sign a long term deal.

Fanatic, got it.
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(03-13-2021, 09:34 PM)Upper Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 09:15 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Sewell is the only LT in the draft...so he's a non factor considering we'll be taking Lawrence.  I find it laughable that you guys think Slater or Darrisaw is better than Cam right now. Haha...had to get one more chuckle out

So when you see people post stats from multiple expert sources saying stuff like he is by far the lowest graded tackle or that despite missing most of a season he still leads the league in pressures since being drafted, what goes through your head? You think you know more than they do combined? Or you think that Slater and Darrisaw are going to be worse than the worst tackle of the last half decade? I just don't get how people so easily dismiss the evidence. But I know fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

One, your statistics don't take into account his injury he suffered back in 2018.

Two, ad nauseam, there's no LT tree to upgrade the position with. IMO, we have two options to upgrade and that's Trent William's and Penei Sewell.  The likelihood of this coming to fruition is less than favorable. 

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(03-13-2021, 10:46 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Two, ad nauseam, there's no LT tree to upgrade the position with. IMO, we have two options to upgrade and that's Trent William's and Penei Sewell.  The likelihood of this coming to fruition is less than favorable. 

That's only true if you think you know more than the multitude of experts that have graded him anywhere from somewhere in the bottom tier to the absolute worst in the league. If you take a second and turn off your raging bias you might realize that the odds of another FA or highly drafted rookie being BETTER THAN THE WORST IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE is actually awfully high.
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(03-13-2021, 10:46 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 09:34 PM)Upper Wrote: So when you see people post stats from multiple expert sources saying stuff like he is by far the lowest graded tackle or that despite missing most of a season he still leads the league in pressures since being drafted, what goes through your head? You think you know more than they do combined? Or you think that Slater and Darrisaw are going to be worse than the worst tackle of the last half decade? I just don't get how people so easily dismiss the evidence. But I know fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

One, your statistics don't take into account his injury he suffered back in 2018.

Two, ad nauseam, there's no LT tree to upgrade the position with. IMO, we have two options to upgrade and that's Trent William's and Penei Sewell.  The likelihood of this coming to fruition is less than favorable. 

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Got it. You're trolling.
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(This post was last modified: 03-14-2021, 12:57 AM by JaG4LyFe.)

(03-14-2021, 12:12 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 10:46 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: One, your statistics don't take into account his injury he suffered back in 2018.

Two, ad nauseam, there's no LT tree to upgrade the position with. IMO, we have two options to upgrade and that's Trent William's and Penei Sewell.  The likelihood of this coming to fruition is less than favorable. 

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Got it. You're trolling.

You're a clown. I said Cam would be franchise months ago, you're still crying about it. You're good, I'll give you that...good at being wrong

(03-13-2021, 11:18 PM)Upper Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 10:46 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Two, ad nauseam, there's no LT tree to upgrade the position with. IMO, we have two options to upgrade and that's Trent William's and Penei Sewell.  The likelihood of this coming to fruition is less than favorable. 

That's only true if you think you know more than the multitude of experts that have graded him anywhere from somewhere in the bottom tier to the absolute worst in the league. If you take a second and turn off your raging bias you might realize that the odds of another FA or highly drafted rookie being BETTER THAN THE WORST IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE is actually awfully high.
Please, offer these solutions you speak of? You guys operate around a lot of what ifs
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(03-14-2021, 12:56 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 12:12 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Got it. You're trolling.

You're a clown. I said Cam would be franchise months ago, you're still crying about it. You're good, I'll give you that...good at being wrong

(03-13-2021, 11:18 PM)Upper Wrote: That's only true if you think you know more than the multitude of experts that have graded him anywhere from somewhere in the bottom tier to the absolute worst in the league. If you take a second and turn off your raging bias you might realize that the odds of another FA or highly drafted rookie being BETTER THAN THE WORST IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE is actually awfully high.
Please, offer these solutions you speak of? You guys operate around a lot of what ifs

I don't care what you predicted, it still doesn't solve the LT problem. Cam is garbage and Taylor is even worse. 

We offered several solutions. You dismiss all of them with the ridiculous notion that Cam is better. You are either trolling or completely insane. My vote is both.
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(03-14-2021, 01:14 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 12:56 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: You're a clown. I said Cam would be franchise months ago, you're still crying about it. You're good, I'll give you that...good at being wrong

Please, offer these solutions you speak of? You guys operate around a lot of what ifs

I don't care what you predicted, it still doesn't solve the LT problem. Cam is garbage and Taylor is even worse. 

We offered several solutions. You dismiss all of them with the ridiculous notion that Cam is better. You are either trolling or completely insane. My vote is both.

Who are these players you offer as solutions? Put it on record?
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(03-14-2021, 01:21 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 01:14 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I don't care what you predicted, it still doesn't solve the LT problem. Cam is garbage and Taylor is even worse. 

We offered several solutions. You dismiss all of them with the ridiculous notion that Cam is better. You are either trolling or completely insane. My vote is both.

Who are these players you offer as solutions? Put it on record?

Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.
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(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 01:21 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Who are these players you offer as solutions? Put it on record?

Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

You're gonna die on this hill, aren't you?
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(03-14-2021, 11:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

You're gonna die on this hill, aren't you?
I could think of worse hills to die on.....
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(This post was last modified: 03-14-2021, 02:56 PM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-14-2021, 11:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

You're gonna die on this hill, aren't you?

Die on what hill? I am just responding to his ridiculous post that Robinson is a viable LT? That's an insane assumption when all the facts say otherwise.
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(This post was last modified: 03-14-2021, 02:59 PM by JaG4LyFe.)

(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 01:21 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Who are these players you offer as solutions? Put it on record?

Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

On page 9 I offered what I thought would be an upgrade to Cam Robinson.  To reiterate, that's Penei Sewell and Trent Williams.  You on the other hand, want me to sift through your memoirs of rabble when a simple answer would suffice? It tells me exactly what I previously stated

(03-14-2021, 02:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 11:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You're gonna die on this hill, aren't you?

Die on what hill? I am just responding to his ridiculous post that Robinson is a viable LT? That's an insane assumption when all the facts say otherwise.

Literally, the Jags went polar opposite of your proposal.  At what point do you admit that you're wrong?
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(This post was last modified: 03-14-2021, 03:06 PM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-14-2021, 02:57 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

On page 9 I offered what I thought would be an upgrade to Cam Robinson.  To reiterate, that's Penei Sewell and Trent Williams.  You on the other hand, want me to sift through your memoirs of rabble when a simple answer would suffice? It tells me exactly what I previously stated

Penei Sewell is not a realistic option and Williams could get re-signed before free agency starts. That means we wouldn't even get a chance to make an offer. That's all you have which is virtually nothing. 

I've already answered your question multiple times. You want my answer, go find it. It's there. You should've listened the first time I answered.

(03-14-2021, 02:57 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 11:38 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Read my other posts to find them. I've named them all. I've offered players by name via the draft, via free agency and via trade. You offer nothing.

On page 9 I offered what I thought would be an upgrade to Cam Robinson.  To reiterate, that's Penei Sewell and Trent Williams.  You on the other hand, want me to sift through your memoirs of rabble when a simple answer would suffice? It tells me exactly what I previously stated

(03-14-2021, 02:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Die on what hill? I am just responding to his ridiculous post that Robinson is a viable LT? That's an insane assumption when all the facts say otherwise.

Literally, the Jags went polar opposite of your proposal.  At what point do you admit that you're wrong?

There are many things in life I have been wrong about. I'm not perfect. In this case though, I'm not wrong. Robinson is a bad LT. This is backed up by the people that grade O-Linemen for a living, the national sports media and the majority of Jaguars' fans. Are you saying the team is right and everyone else is wrong?
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This dude is puttin out some real MD vibes..
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I have a question for the board.  Assuming no new offensive linemen are acquired, and Christian Darrisaw was still available on draft day, what is the most that you would be willing to trade up in order to get him?
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(03-14-2021, 03:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: I have a question for the board.  Assuming no new offensive linemen are acquired, and Christian Darrisaw was still available on draft day, what is the most that you would be willing to trade up in order to get him?

I would give 25 and 45 for Darrisaw.
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(03-14-2021, 03:50 PM)Upper Wrote:
(03-14-2021, 03:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: I have a question for the board.  Assuming no new offensive linemen are acquired, and Christian Darrisaw was still available on draft day, what is the most that you would be willing to trade up in order to get him?

I would give 25 and 45 for Darrisaw.

I'd give up the same.

(03-14-2021, 03:22 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: This dude is puttin out some real MD vibes..

You caught me. I'm Matt Damon

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Yeah.. no..
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There’s not a single tackle in football who would grade well when the team is down by 10 at the end of the first quarter every game, especially when the qbs have poor pocket presence
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Exactly. Robinson wasn't good but the o line was better when Glennon and Luton played. It should tell you something about what QB play does for the perception of the o line.
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