14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.

Exactly.  I hear so many people refer to him as "insurance", but when you buy insurance, you ask what it costs and what benefits it provides.  Cam Robinson costs a ton and provides little to no protection.

One could say that cam is a HMO!

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I don't know why you aren't grasping this concept. Experienced does not equal good. Cam is ranked near the bottom on almost every list of starting OT's in the NFL, so even if we find an average LT in the draft, he'd be a little better than what we now have. That's not just my opinion. Just watch ESPN and follow the "experts" outside of Jacksonville, who do this stuff for a living. Very few people outside of this team have a decent opinion of either one of our OT's. How is keeping a bad LT, a good move? You have to take risks in order to get better. You are apparently too "gun shy" to try and get better, so you settle for the garbage you have. That makes no sense!

Being callous and cheap is keeping a subpar LT like Robinson and expecting him to magically become good enough to protect Lawrence's blindside. 

It's not a high risk bet. It's relatively low risk, because our OT's are so bad. Take those rose colored glasses off and see what everyone outside of Jacksonville sees. Our starting OT's are not good. They aren't even average. We HAVE to take a risk, if we wanna take that next step. What if we did get stuck with the #2 pick instead of #1 and Trevor was gone? Would you avoid taking a QB, because they might be worse than Minshew? I certainly would hope you'd still take a QB. It's the same difference with OT.

I agree with you on the need to upgrade our tackle spots.

But at what point do you draw the line regarding the availability of a better option in the draft?

In the last two to three days, three more teams-Minnesota, Las Vegas  and Kansas City-were added to the list of teams needing to address that same position.  All of those teams that need a T-specifically a LT-pick ahead of us except Kansas City.

Ruling out for the moment the possibility of us trading up in the first round (more on this in another post to come), there is a good chance there will be a substantial run on the position.

Conservatively speaking, these are the teams that could use a T (besides us)

2.  Jets
3.  Miami
5.  Bengals
6.  Eagles
8.  Panthers
9.  Broncos
13.  Chargers
14.  Vikings
17.  Raiders
18.  Miami
19.  WFT
20.  Bears
21.  Colts
23.  Jets
24.  Steelers
25  ---------------------------------------------Jaguars

27.  Ravens (assuming a Brown trade)
31.  Chiefs

This list excludes Dallas, Denver, San Francisco (if they lose Williams), and Seattle, who could have a pick ahead of us if they are dumb enough to trade russell Wilson.

The chances of there being a run at the position ahead of us are high.  So assuming there is a run at the position on some late rising Ts, at what point would it not be worth taking a T in the first round?

There is nothing I wouldn't do to get an upgrade at OT. If that means I have to slightly overpay to move up in the draft and get one of the franchise OT's, I will. If all the guys I wanted at #25 are gone. Then I use that pick and next year's first round pick to trade for a good, young, established NFL OT. I'm not gonna reach for a guy at #25 that I have graded much lower, but I absolutely refuse to go into next season starting a subpar LT like Cam Robinson. We will have too much invested in Trevor Lawrence to risk both of our edges being wide open due to bad players at the OT spots. 

I agree that more NFL teams are gonna be looking for OT's in the draft and now it looks like not much will be left at #25. Instead of franchising Cam as some misguided insurance policy. I would pull that tag today and bring in Riley Reiff on a 3-4 year deal. Since it looks like Trent Williams is set to re-sign with the Niners, Reiff is the next best option. I'd front load the crap out of a contract, guarantee almost all of the money and make it virtually impossible for any team to outbid us. He would be a HUGE upgrade at either OT position. I agree with D6 that he is an ideal RT, but based on how he played last season at LT, (only 1 sack and 1 penalty surrendered in over 1000 snaps,) he has proven he is a good LT as well. 

I have thought about every possible scenario and I have plans for everything. Yes, most of them involve overpaying, but I'd get good players in return and you have to take some risks in order to get better. As I have said on many occasions, LT is the second most important position on a football team. When you settle for subpar players at key positions, you will never make significant steps to move forward. I'm willing to take some risk. We are lucky enough to be in a position where we can overpay, be it in free agency or trading draft picks to get good players at key spots like LT. I would take advantage of this and do what is necessary.

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Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

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Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

He's back for round 12. Get em Rocky...

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Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

I agree with you on the need to upgrade our tackle spots.

But at what point do you draw the line regarding the availability of a better option in the draft?

In the last two to three days, three more teams-Minnesota, Las Vegas  and Kansas City-were added to the list of teams needing to address that same position.  All of those teams that need a T-specifically a LT-pick ahead of us except Kansas City.

Ruling out for the moment the possibility of us trading up in the first round (more on this in another post to come), there is a good chance there will be a substantial run on the position.

Conservatively speaking, these are the teams that could use a T (besides us)

2.  Jets
3.  Miami
5.  Bengals
6.  Eagles
8.  Panthers
9.  Broncos
13.  Chargers
14.  Vikings
17.  Raiders
18.  Miami
19.  WFT
20.  Bears
21.  Colts
23.  Jets
24.  Steelers
25  ---------------------------------------------Jaguars

27.  Ravens (assuming a Brown trade)
31.  Chiefs

This list excludes Dallas, Denver, San Francisco (if they lose Williams), and Seattle, who could have a pick ahead of us if they are dumb enough to trade russell Wilson.

The chances of there being a run at the position ahead of us are high.  So assuming there is a run at the position on some late rising Ts, at what point would it not be worth taking a T in the first round?

There is nothing I wouldn't do to get an upgrade at OT. If that means I have to slightly overpay to move up in the draft and get one of the franchise OT's, I will. If all the guys I wanted at #25 are gone. Then I use that pick and next year's first round pick to trade for a good, young, established NFL OT. I'm not gonna reach for a guy at #25 that I have graded much lower, but I absolutely refuse to go into next season starting a subpar LT like Cam Robinson. We will have too much invested in Trevor Lawrence to risk both of our edges being wide open due to bad players at the OT spots. 

(Emphasis supplied by TheOLine matters)

There is nothing you wouldn't do?  Couple of ways to address that.  First, we could beat every team to the punch by taking a LT at #1 overall.  I don't think ANYONE would be in favor of that, no matter how big of a whole we considered LT to be.  Second, just because you are eager to adequately address LT, doesn't mean the other teams are willing to help us address that position by trading down.  Aside from them possibly needing a LT of their own, they have other players at other positions they may think are worth that spot.  There is no guarantee they would be willing to trade down.  Now like I said in the other thread, Baalke had repeatedly proven willing to move up to get the player he wants.  If he has the requisite influence in the room, we may be willing to move up to address the position.  But there has to be a guy on the board worth getting, and there has to be a team willing to move down at our price (or close to it).  While I am in no way privy to the workings of the other 31 teams in the league, the only team I can see at the moment who may want to drop to 25 is New England.  They have the most desperate need for QB, WR and TE.  There is a school of thought that they pick too low to get one of the top 4 signal callers (maybe top 5).  There is also thought in some circles the one guy they may be able to get at QB, Mac Jones, is closer to a late first early second round pick than the others.  There is a similar dynamic at WR and TE.  After the top three of Chase, Smith and Waddle, there is a perceived drop at the position, and after Pitts, there is the thought Firermuth is a late 1 early 2nd round guy.  They are accustomed to picking that low.  Assuming there is no player at a defensive position that takes precedence, I could see New England trading back.

I agree that more NFL teams are gonna be looking for OT's in the draft and now it looks like not much will be left at #25. Instead of franchising Cam as some misguided insurance policy. I would pull that tag today and bring in Riley Reiff on a 3-4 year deal. Since it looks like Trent Williams is set to re-sign with the Niners, Reiff is the next best option. I'd front load the crap out of a contract, guarantee almost all of the money and make it virtually impossible for any team to outbid us. He would be a HUGE upgrade at either OT position. I agree with D6 that he is an ideal RT, but based on how he played last season at LT, (only 1 sack and 1 penalty surrendered in over 1000 snaps,) he has proven he is a good LT as well. 

Reiff is still out there and Cam has yet to sign the franchise tag.  This can still happen if Reiff is open to signing somewhere else.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

I think it's possible for a rookie T to come in and upgrade Cam Robinson.  We've had two rookies do just that over the course of our franchise:  Boselli and Khalif Barnes.

The question for me is whether we will have access to the players who can step in and be a quality starter at LT from day one.

Most of the left tackles that can likely do that will likely be off the board by pick 25.  While Baalke has proven willing to trade up, that can't be relied upon at this stage to upgrade the position.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

There is nothing I wouldn't do to get an upgrade at OT. If that means I have to slightly overpay to move up in the draft and get one of the franchise OT's, I will. If all the guys I wanted at #25 are gone. Then I use that pick and next year's first round pick to trade for a good, young, established NFL OT. I'm not gonna reach for a guy at #25 that I have graded much lower, but I absolutely refuse to go into next season starting a subpar LT like Cam Robinson. We will have too much invested in Trevor Lawrence to risk both of our edges being wide open due to bad players at the OT spots. 

(Emphasis supplied by TheOLine matters)

There is nothing you wouldn't do?  Couple of ways to address that.  First, we could beat every team to the punch by taking a LT at #1 overall.  I don't think ANYONE would be in favor of that, no matter how big of a whole we considered LT to be.  Second, just because you are eager to adequately address LT, doesn't mean the other teams are willing to help us address that position by trading down.  Aside from them possibly needing a LT of their own, they have other players at other positions they may think are worth that spot.  There is no guarantee they would be willing to trade down.  Now like I said in the other thread, Baalke had repeatedly proven willing to move up to get the player he wants.  If he has the requisite influence in the room, we may be willing to move up to address the position.  But there has to be a guy on the board worth getting, and there has to be a team willing to move down at our price (or close to it).  While I am in no way privy to the workings of the other 31 teams in the league, the only team I can see at the moment who may want to drop to 25 is New England.  They have the most desperate need for QB, WR and TE.  There is a school of thought that they pick too low to get one of the top 4 signal callers (maybe top 5).  There is also thought in some circles the one guy they may be able to get at QB, Mac Jones, is closer to a late first early second round pick than the others.  There is a similar dynamic at WR and TE.  After the top three of Chase, Smith and Waddle, there is a perceived drop at the position, and after Pitts, there is the thought Firermuth is a late 1 early 2nd round guy.  They are accustomed to picking that low.  Assuming there is no player at a defensive position that takes precedence, I could see New England trading back.

I agree that more NFL teams are gonna be looking for OT's in the draft and now it looks like not much will be left at #25. Instead of franchising Cam as some misguided insurance policy. I would pull that tag today and bring in Riley Reiff on a 3-4 year deal. Since it looks like Trent Williams is set to re-sign with the Niners, Reiff is the next best option. I'd front load the crap out of a contract, guarantee almost all of the money and make it virtually impossible for any team to outbid us. He would be a HUGE upgrade at either OT position. I agree with D6 that he is an ideal RT, but based on how he played last season at LT, (only 1 sack and 1 penalty surrendered in over 1000 snaps,) he has proven he is a good LT as well. 

Reiff is still out there and Cam has yet to sign the franchise tag.  This can still happen if Reiff is open to signing somewhere else.

Obviously, that is not an option. The whole point of needing a LT is protecting your franchise QB. Without Lawrence, LT becomes less of a need. If we were to pass on a QB and #1 and just settled on keeping Mineshew, I wouldn't draft a LT in round 1, because who cares? It's not like Minshew was gonna take us anywhere. With Lawrence, if he's as good as advertised, he can lead this team into the playoffs, but he needs protection. Hence my insistence on getting him edge protection. My statement about doing whatever I have to do, starts with pick #25 and goes from there. 

As for trading up, I target teams who already have an established LT who may be up against the cap and might possibly want to trade down and acquire more picks in order to re-stock  due to the salary cap with cheap rookie talent. There are gonna be some of those teams out there. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that this year more teams would be willing to trade down, due to the cap. 

The Patriots just re-signed Newton, as a fallback plan. I don't see Belichik moving up to get a QB. The Patriots always seem to move back, rather than to trade up. I also see Mac Jones going much higher than people think. I have him off the board when the Pats select, so unless New England is willing to take a complete enigma like Trey Lance, I don't see them taking a QB in round 1. Currently, I have them selecting Jaylen Waddle at #15. Instead, I think they add a veteran QB that might get cut after the draft. Maybe someone like Jimmy G, Sam Darnold, Matt Ryan or Teddy Bridgewater. Signing Mitchell Trubisky could also be an option for them. 

As I said before, Reiff would be a HUGE upgrade for us at either OT position. We are in agreement on that. I sincerely hope we do. If we don't make a play for him, I believe that would be a clear sign that Meyer and Baalke have no intentions of upgrading either OT position.

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That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

I think it's possible for a rookie T to come in and upgrade Cam Robinson.  We've had two rookies do just that over the course of our franchise:  Boselli and Khalif Barnes.

The question for me is whether we will have access to the players who can step in and be a quality starter at LT from day one.

Most of the left tackles that can likely do that will likely be off the board by pick 25.  While Baalke has proven willing to trade up, that can't be relied upon at this stage to upgrade the position.

That's why all options are open. Signing Reiff immediately, would insure the position is upgraded and would resolve this entire issue.

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Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

Clueless as usual

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

Clueless as usual

I think it's quite possible for a rookie to come in and upgrade LT.  The problem is, it's not a certainty.  The Jaguars have drafted two guys in the top ten since 2009 thinking they found the long term answer at the position, only for one to be a flat out bust (Joeckel), and the other to have been a disappointment (Monroe).

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

As for trading up, I target teams who already have an established LT who may be up against the cap and might possibly want to trade down and acquire more picks in order to re-stock  due to the salary cap with cheap rookie talent. There are gonna be some of those teams out there. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that this year more teams would be willing to trade down, due to the cap. 

The Patriots just re-signed Newton, as a fallback plan. I don't see Belichik moving up to get a QB. The Patriots always seem to move back, rather than to trade up. I also see Mac Jones going much higher than people think. I have him off the board when the Pats select, so unless New England is willing to take a complete enigma like Trey Lance, I don't see them taking a QB in round 1. Currently, I have them selecting Jaylen Waddle at #15. Instead, I think they add a veteran QB that might get cut after the draft. Maybe someone like Jimmy G, Sam Darnold, Matt Ryan or Teddy Bridgewater. Signing Mitchell Trubisky could also be an option for them. 

As I said before, Reiff would be a HUGE upgrade for us at either OT position. We are in agreement on that. I sincerely hope we do. If we don't make a play for him, I believe that would be a clear sign that Meyer and Baalke have no intentions of upgrading either OT position.

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I think it's possible for a rookie T to come in and upgrade Cam Robinson.  We've had two rookies do just that over the course of our franchise:  Boselli and Khalif Barnes.

The question for me is whether we will have access to the players who can step in and be a quality starter at LT from day one.

Most of the left tackles that can likely do that will likely be off the board by pick 25.  While Baalke has proven willing to trade up, that can't be relied upon at this stage to upgrade the position.

That's why all options are open. Signing Reiff immediately, would insure the position is upgraded and would resolve this entire issue.

As I said, I'm with you regarding the need to upgrade the position.  But I forgot to add that while rookies are capable of upgrading LT, there is no guarantee they can do so (Joekel and Monroe), aside from likely having to execute a trade up to get those rookies.  Because there is no guarantee, either of a trade up, the performance of a rookie, or for that matter the performance of Reiff or another free agent, that is why the team tagged Cam. 

The new league year hasn't begun yet.  We are still outside the legal tampering period for free agents.  Urban did not trash the RT class the way he did the LT class.  This is why I'm not yet in panic mode.

Even in a worst case scenario where the team does not upgrade either T position, there's no guarantee Lawrence gets injured behind that OL.  While Foles got hurt, Minshew survived his entire rookie year with those two at T-with Robinson fresh off a knee injury. 

The fact is we are a 1-15 team.  The likelihood of this team upgrading every position of need in one off season was next to nil, even with all of the cap room and the extra draft picks.  I want us to upgrade the T positions, but it may not happen this year.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

As for trading up, I target teams who already have an established LT who may be up against the cap and might possibly want to trade down and acquire more picks in order to re-stock  due to the salary cap with cheap rookie talent. There are gonna be some of those teams out there. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that this year more teams would be willing to trade down, due to the cap. 

The Patriots just re-signed Newton, as a fallback plan. I don't see Belichik moving up to get a QB. The Patriots always seem to move back, rather than to trade up. I also see Mac Jones going much higher than people think. I have him off the board when the Pats select, so unless New England is willing to take a complete enigma like Trey Lance, I don't see them taking a QB in round 1. Currently, I have them selecting Jaylen Waddle at #15. Instead, I think they add a veteran QB that might get cut after the draft. Maybe someone like Jimmy G, Sam Darnold, Matt Ryan or Teddy Bridgewater. Signing Mitchell Trubisky could also be an option for them. 

As I said before, Reiff would be a HUGE upgrade for us at either OT position. We are in agreement on that. I sincerely hope we do. If we don't make a play for him, I believe that would be a clear sign that Meyer and Baalke have no intentions of upgrading either OT position.

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That's why all options are open. Signing Reiff immediately, would insure the position is upgraded and would resolve this entire issue.

As I said, I'm with you regarding the need to upgrade the position.  But I forgot to add that while rookies are capable of upgrading LT, there is no guarantee they can do so (Joekel and Monroe), aside from likely having to execute a trade up to get those rookies.  Because there is no guarantee, either of a trade up, the performance of a rookie, or for that matter the performance of Reiff or another free agent, that is why the team tagged Cam. 

The new league year hasn't begun yet.  We are still outside the legal tampering period for free agents.  Urban did not trash the RT class the way he did the LT class.  This is why I'm not yet in panic mode.

Even in a worst case scenario where the team does not upgrade either T position, there's no guarantee Lawrence gets injured behind that OL.  While Foles got hurt, Minshew survived his entire rookie year with those two at T-with Robinson fresh off a knee injury. 

The fact is we are a 1-15 team.  The likelihood of this team upgrading every position of need in one off season was next to nil, even with all of the cap room and the extra draft picks.  I want us to upgrade the T positions, but it may not happen this year.

As for the first part, it's true. There's always a certain risk when changes are made, but given our situation a change needs to be made. If we draft a young OT and it doesn't work out, at least we were proactive and showed an effort to remedy the situation. The worst thing we could do is sit back and keep the garbage we have. That obviously hasn't worked, so why keep trying the same thing over and over when it has never worked before? I'd rather try to upgrade and fail, than to never try at all. 

Yes, we are outside the legal tampering period, but we can still go after Reiff right now, because he was released. As for Williams, I don't know if this team even intended on offering him a contract, but I expect him to be re-signed with San Francisco, before free agency even begins. 

No, there is no guarantee, that Lawrence would get injured behind a line starting Robinson and Taylor, but why take that risk? We know they are terrible pass blockers, so why not do everything possible to try and secure Lawrence's safety. Maybe Joe Burrow, might not have gotten hurt behind the Bengals offensive line, but he did. They knew their entire O-Line outside of their rookie LT was hot garbage, but they risked throwing their new franchise QB behind them and that gamble bit them in the butt, hard. I just want to avoid taking such stupid risks. If Lawrence is as good as advertised, we've probably only have a 4 year window max, before he wants one of these monster contracts. That will drastically hinder our ability to surround him with top talent. We got to put this thing together the right way, immediately. 

Again, I know we are not gonna fill every need right away. As I said, a 6-10 season in 2021 would be a move in the right direction, even though it would still be a losing record. You have to prioritize certain needs though. Protecting our franchise QB that we've virtually waited 25 years for, HAS to be priority #1 outside of getting Lawrence in the first place. Whether it be via free agency, the draft or a trade, OT HAS TO BE addressed. This is football 101. Simply doing nothing would be a complete failure. It's not like we have pro bowlers at any of our O-Line positions. We just need functional players on the edges and no matter what Meyer or Baalke or Warhop or Oehser say, we don't have that right now. Most of the fans know this, the people who grade O-Linemen for a living know this and the national sports media know this.

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Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

The QB will make the offensive lineman PFF grades improve.

1,2,3 ball out ...instead of 1,2,3, let me scramble around bc I’m scared to throw a pick now the DE sacks me.

Those grades don’t mean jack. Lamar Jackson’s LT is probably an all star. He can juke DE’s and avoid sacks. 

Also I said by week 1. Due to Covid the offseason isn’t what it used to be. It’s a fact that Robinson will be better than any rookie by week 1.

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I pulled a stat up last season that showed Cam Robinson was like 8th in the league in blocking or something.

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That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

The QB will make the offensive lineman PFF grades improve.

1,2,3 ball out ...instead of 1,2,3, let me scramble around bc I’m scared to throw a pick now the DE sacks me.

Those grades don’t mean jack. Lamar Jackson’s LT is probably an all star. He can juke DE’s and avoid sacks. 

Also I said by week 1. Due to Covid the offseason isn’t what it used to be. It’s a fact that Robinson will be better than any rookie by week 1.

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I pulled a stat up last season that showed Cam Robinson was like 8th in the league in blocking or something.

Except.... it’s not a fact. It’s opinion.

You wouldn’t take Sewell or Slater or Darrisaw?  Come on now.

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The QB will make the offensive lineman PFF grades improve.

1,2,3 ball out ...instead of 1,2,3, let me scramble around bc I’m scared to throw a pick now the DE sacks me.

Those grades don’t mean jack. Lamar Jackson’s LT is probably an all star. He can juke DE’s and avoid sacks. 

Also I said by week 1. Due to Covid the offseason isn’t what it used to be. It’s a fact that Robinson will be better than any rookie by week 1.

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I pulled a stat up last season that showed Cam Robinson was like 8th in the league in blocking or something.

Except.... it’s not a fact. It’s opinion.

You wouldn’t take Sewell or Slater or Darrisaw?  Come on now.

I would take all of them here and be quite happy.

I just wonder if one of them will fall far enough fur us to trade up for them, or if Meyer's supposed disdain for the LT class fall to them.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Except.... it’s not a fact. It’s opinion.

You wouldn’t take Sewell or Slater or Darrisaw?  Come on now.

I would take all of them here and be quite happy.

I just wonder if one of them will fall far enough fur us to trade up for them, or if Meyer's supposed disdain for the LT class fall to them.

I think Meyer is blowing a lot of smoke (except for the one about drafting Lawrence).  I think he’s keeping a lot close to the vest.

And I 100% agree with you. All 3 of those guys I listed will more than likely be better than Cam in week 1. I mean.... it’s Cam Robinson lol He’s nothing special and it wouldn’t shock me if multiple rookie tackles are better than him.

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That is absolutely FALSE. That is just your opinion. Tristan Wirfs was a rookie last year and was one of the highest graded OT's in the NFL. How do you explain that? Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs were all chosen in the first round last season and according to PFF, all had higher blocking grades than Cam Robinson did last year and Jedrick Wills was only .2 behind Robinson. In fact, Austin Jackson was the only OT chosen in the first round and saw significant playing time, who had a significantly worse grade than Robinson. How do you explain that?

These are the facts. Your argument doesn't hold water. All players are different. You can't just say a blanket statement like no rookie LT will be better than Robinson. Some will and some won't.

The QB will make the offensive lineman PFF grades improve.

1,2,3 ball out ...instead of 1,2,3, let me scramble around bc I’m scared to throw a pick now the DE sacks me.

Those grades don’t mean jack. Lamar Jackson’s LT is probably an all star. He can juke DE’s and avoid sacks. 

Also I said by week 1. Due to Covid the offseason isn’t what it used to be. It’s a fact that Robinson will be better than any rookie by week 1.

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I pulled a stat up last season that showed Cam Robinson was like 8th in the league in blocking or something.

That is definitely not true. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. 

I would check the credentials on this site, because you either read the wrong name or they are lying. Tell us the source.

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The QB will make the offensive lineman PFF grades improve.

1,2,3 ball out ...instead of 1,2,3, let me scramble around bc I’m scared to throw a pick now the DE sacks me.

Those grades don’t mean jack. Lamar Jackson’s LT is probably an all star. He can juke DE’s and avoid sacks. 

Also I said by week 1. Due to Covid the offseason isn’t what it used to be. It’s a fact that Robinson will be better than any rookie by week 1.

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I pulled a stat up last season that showed Cam Robinson was like 8th in the league in blocking or something.

Except.... it’s not a fact. It’s opinion.

You wouldn’t take Sewell or Slater or Darrisaw?  Come on now.

Sewell is the only LT in the draft...so he's a non factor considering we'll be taking Lawrence.  I find it laughable that you guys think Slater or Darrisaw is better than Cam right now. Haha...had to get one more chuckle out

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Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

Except.... it’s not a fact. It’s opinion.

You wouldn’t take Sewell or Slater or Darrisaw?  Come on now.

Sewell is the only LT in the draft...so he's a non factor considering we'll be taking Lawrence.  I find it laughable that you guys think Slater or Darrisaw is better than Cam right now. Haha...had to get one more chuckle out

So when you see people post stats from multiple expert sources saying stuff like he is by far the lowest graded tackle or that despite missing most of a season he still leads the league in pressures since being drafted, what goes through your head? You think you know more than they do combined? Or you think that Slater and Darrisaw are going to be worse than the worst tackle of the last half decade? I just don't get how people so easily dismiss the evidence. But I know fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

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Sewell is the only LT in the draft...so he's a non factor considering we'll be taking Lawrence.  I find it laughable that you guys think Slater or Darrisaw is better than Cam right now. Haha...had to get one more chuckle out

So when you see people post stats from multiple expert sources saying stuff like he is by far the lowest graded tackle or that despite missing most of a season he still leads the league in pressures since being drafted, what goes through your head? You think you know more than they do combined? Or you think that Slater and Darrisaw are going to be worse than the worst tackle of the last half decade? I just don't get how people so easily dismiss the evidence. But I know fan is short for fanatic for a reason.

Go away with your stats and facts! We don’t take too kindly to dem there things round here.

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We will not have a chance to take the top rated LT, therefore Cam will be better than any other rookie option.

He was franchised and will probably sign a long term deal.

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