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4 scouts fired
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(05-06-2021, 03:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:If you can find game film on him find it. You can also get info on highlights. Like body control, hands, speed, catch radius.(05-06-2021, 03:36 PM)Dimson Wrote: My bad. I forgot scouts use pro film to scout college players. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-06-2021, 03:33 PM)Dimson Wrote:(05-06-2021, 03:32 PM)jaglyn Wrote: You guys mad about firing scouts? Have you looked at our record during their tenure? Look at it this way, either they were doing a really bad job, or those positions didn’t impact the on-field performance enough that it doesn’t matter
Wow some things never change. Get Trevor Lawrence and the usual suspects are still hand wringing and arm flailing
The bigger question is how have they lasted this long? The team has been bad overall the last 20 years drafting. Why did they hold their jobs so long?
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-06-2021, 12:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm not saying he took zero input from the scouts. I'm suggesting he simply disregarded much of what they said, because he already had his mind made up about guys he was familiar with. What mystifies me about your posting is that you are dead set certain that the Jags have blown every pick the last 15 years but at the same time it's a tragic mistake for Meyer to make up his own mind on draft picks rather than listen to the scouts who organised all those picks over those 15 years. It seems that you've reached a spot where the Jags can only lose. Unless they FA/Draft/Trade an offensive tackle. (05-06-2021, 06:09 PM)jaglyn Wrote:(05-06-2021, 03:33 PM)Dimson Wrote: That is the crazy part. How have they lasted 20 years with our record? lol. Also it doesn't matter how good your scouts are if the coach/gm/executive vice president/owner fail to heed the reports produced by the scouts or set their own priorities independent of the reports. Have a feeling that's been our problem for quite a while. (05-06-2021, 03:06 PM)Dimson Wrote:Good grief. A backup blocking TE?! This team is devoid of talent..... So let's make sure we lock up that backup blocking TE!(05-06-2021, 03:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: HUGE difference between Trevor Lawrence and Farrell. That's like comparing prime rib to white rice. Friendship or familiarity aside, Trevor Lawrence was the undisputed first pick in this draft. It didn't matter who the head coach was gonna be. Farrell got drafted to this team based solely on Meyer's familiarity with him. He certainly wasn't the BAP at the point he was drafted and we had Manhertz in the exact same role, so blocking TE wasn't a need either. I'm just stating facts.Maybe they drafted him to be our back up blocking TE? Maybe they think he will translate better to the pro game than to college? We will just have to wait and see how everything shakes out. There were plenty of players with upside (which is what you are looking for in the later rounds) that could have actually made a difference still available. Shaune Wade, Brevin Jordan, Gainwell, ISM, DAVIYON NIXON, Jamar Johnson, Simi Fehoko...... If you wanted to draft a backup, why not do it at a position that's actually valuable? Farrell was the absolute worst pick of this draft and he was likely to go undrafted. Drafting a backup blocking TE in the 5th round is terrible and there is no way to defend this. He was drafted because Urban likes him and his family personally.
Seeing a few posts assuming Urban Meyer is firing scouts with no intention of replacing them.
Interesting assumption. Also interesting is that some of the same posters have lamented about scouts NOT being fired after Gene and/or Dave were let go. The Jaguars. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(05-07-2021, 08:57 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Seeing a few posts assuming Urban Meyer is firing scouts with no intention of replacing them. Dave started his firing/hiring process with Gene's people immediately after the draft, just like Urban and Trent. (05-07-2021, 09:18 AM)scottyg Wrote:(05-07-2021, 08:57 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Seeing a few posts assuming Urban Meyer is firing scouts with no intention of replacing them. They turned over less than a third of the scouting dept after Gene was fired and fans here lost their marbles that they didn't "clean house." We've also had fans here upset that we weren't immediately clearing scouts before the '21 draft. And now, ironically, some of the same "fans" are complaining that we DID fire 4 scouts. It's hilarious to me. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
I wonder if they will continue to get paychecks or if Urban "fixed the glitch".
(05-07-2021, 09:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(05-07-2021, 09:18 AM)scottyg Wrote: Dave started his firing/hiring process with Gene's people immediately after the draft, just like Urban and Trent. It’s UMDS - Urban Meyer Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately it’s a fact of life until he proves himself. Which is okay. Jags fans deserve to be skeptical. (05-07-2021, 09:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(05-07-2021, 09:18 AM)scottyg Wrote: Dave started his firing/hiring process with Gene's people immediately after the draft, just like Urban and Trent. I think I'm getting more entertainment value from all the griping over our 5th round draft pick. (05-06-2021, 12:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(Emphasis added)(05-06-2021, 10:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: UM has stated a preference for getting to know a person before he commits to them as a player. That was clear during free agency. He expressed dismay over not being able to talk to people before signing them. I can't say I blame him. He has been emphatic that we get the picks right throughout this process. It stands to reason he would rely on his own experiences with the players in the absence of being able to interview players this offseason.I'm not saying he took zero input from the scouts. I'm suggesting he simply disregarded much of what they said, because he already had his mind made up about guys he was familiar with. The part in bold is confusing, because in your post before this one to which I responded, you typed this: Quote:Almost all of his draft picks were guys he was familiar with while coaching. Most were guys he recruited. Farrell was drafted because Meyer knew him and thought he was "a nice guy." Apparently, not because of his abilities. That was a comment made by Meyer. It's pretty evident. Why would he draft players according to their abilities before him and ignore abilities afterward? If you are comfortable the team drafted according to abilities before the Farrell pick, why would you be uncomfortable with any of the picks made before Farrell? Does being a good person/locker room guy factor into a team's determination as to whether a player is draftable or not? Is it possible the team eschewed BAP and drafted for need? Is it possible after the 4th round, UM didn't think there was anyone left with a chance of starting or upgrading a position? Is it possible they simply ranked him incorrectly? Is it possible you simply ranked him incorrectly? Not trying to give you grief, just trying to understand your position. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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(05-07-2021, 05:15 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote:(05-06-2021, 12:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm not saying he took zero input from the scouts. I'm suggesting he simply disregarded much of what they said, because he already had his mind made up about guys he was familiar with. Huh? You're new here, so you don't know what I think. If you were here in 2019, I was thrilled with the Josh Allen selection. He was my #1 overall player. Last year I was overjoyed we landed DaVon Hamilton. This year I was absolutely ecstatic we landed Trevor Lawrence. I've been waiting decades for us to have a chance at getting a potential franchise QB. I don't have to like every pick the team makes. I have a problem with Meyer selecting a someone because "he's a nice guy" over being a good football player. That's what he did with Farrell. OT has been our biggest need outside of QB, since at least 2013. Do you blame me?
(05-07-2021, 10:07 AM)Bullseye Wrote:(05-06-2021, 12:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm not saying he took zero input from the scouts. I'm suggesting he simply disregarded much of what they said, because he already had his mind made up about guys he was familiar with.(Emphasis added) Simply put, apparently he ran out of good players he was familiar with. So rather than trust his scouts, he chose "a guy" he was familiar with, because he was a "good person." It plays a small part whether a player is a nice guy or not. I have no idea. Farrell was neither the BAP or a need. If he thought that after the 4th round, he hasn't done his job correctly. We were 1-15 last season. We have a lot of bad starters that could've at least been pushed by better players. It is possible they ranked him incorrectly. He is a blocking TE. They should never be taken that high, especially when you already have one of the best in the NFL already on the team. No. It is not possible I ranked him incorrectly. I watched every game he has ever played at OSU. I am very familiar with Farrell. |
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