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So, what's going to happen with Minshew?
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(06-21-2021, 12:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(06-21-2021, 09:56 AM)Mikey Wrote: The rule is we shouldn't be citing the one example where a mid-20th pick of the draft not immediately replacing an obvious HOF QB to justify the notion that a top pick is your odds-on favorite to start from day one. By all accounts, they were less prepared than Lawrence is/will be. It just comes down to which player the coach thinks gives the team the best chance to win. Based on what I've seen from Minshew the past two years, if Minshew wins the start, then hundreds of talent evaluators and sports analysts all REALLY screwed up on their assessment of Trevor Lawrence in concert with one another. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
To be honest, I expected Minshew to be the starter on Week 1 regardless of Trevor's ability/readiness.
The best and most recent comparison we have to compare this with is the 2012 Andrew Luck rookie season.
I am not a Lawrence guy. I like Zach Wilson and I would have gone that way. We'll see. Early Jet reports are Wilson is lighting it up.
You know you're dealing with a belief system when you get an emotional response.
(06-21-2021, 03:46 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: I am not a Lawrence guy. I like Zach Wilson and I would have gone that way. We'll see. Early Jet reports are Wilson is lighting it up. But I think the issue with Lawrence, if there was one, would be low ceiling instead of low floor. He's about as polished and NFL-ready as a draft pick can be. He's been groomed (Peyton-like) since high school and has all the mechanics and form and size to be an early bloomer. He may be lacking that additional level (that you can't really know is there until game experience). I think it would be a bad sign if he's backing up Minshew to start the season. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(06-21-2021, 12:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(06-21-2021, 12:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Teams are taking a QB early for a reason but it doesnt mean you have to start them week 1. Are tou saying Mahomes, Mayfield, Tua etc. were just unprepared for the job? Minshew was pretty good before the hand injury. Went 7-7 his rookie year. Last year he went 19/20 with 3 TDs in his first game and looked good in week 2 then hurt his hand. If Minshew is named starter week 1 i dont think its anything bad on TLaw just like the guys mentioned above, was nothing bad on them because they didnt start week 1.ill be happy with either and regardless i know Trevor is the franchise
(06-21-2021, 03:52 PM)Race Bannon Wrote:I dont see how you get that, i think he has the highest ceiling out of them all(06-21-2021, 03:46 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: I am not a Lawrence guy. I like Zach Wilson and I would have gone that way. We'll see. Early Jet reports are Wilson is lighting it up.
(06-21-2021, 04:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(06-21-2021, 03:52 PM)Race Bannon Wrote: But I think the issue with Lawrence, if there was one, would be low ceiling instead of low floor. He's about as polished and NFL-ready as a draft pick can be. He's been groomed (Peyton-like) since high school and has all the mechanics and form and size to be an early bloomer. He may be lacking that additional level (that you can't really know is there until game experience).I see how you get that, i think he has the highest ceiling out of them all I actually do, too. I'm just saying he can't possibly have a low floor -- he's not a project, there are no questions about his toolkit. The only question is how good he can be (the top end). So I think he is the type to start as a rookie.
We have yet to see how the kid (Lawrence) performs in pads, in "real speed" and in an actual NFL game. All we have are "touchdowns" in underwear practice not at full speed and with no real defense in his face. This might be a case where preseason games might actually show us something.
As far as I'm concerned, Gardner should be considered the starting quarterback until Lawrence earns the spot. I think the team would be smart to hold on to him for another season. He has some trade value now, but if he ends up starting and plays "lights out" he would be more valuable as a trade candidate. He's still on a rookie salary. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(06-21-2021, 05:45 PM)Race Bannon Wrote:(06-21-2021, 04:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: I see dont how you get that, i think he has the highest ceiling out of them all I think he is too, we also have 9ne of the best back up QBs which is a nice luxury to have (06-21-2021, 05:59 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: We have yet to see how the kid (Lawrence) performs in pads, in "real speed" and in an actual NFL game. All we have are "touchdowns" in underwear practice not at full speed and with no real defense in his face. This might be a case where preseason games might actually show us something. It should be an open competition imo
(06-21-2021, 06:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It should be an open competition imo I've said that from the start. Many on the other hand think that the starting position should be "given" to Lawrence because of his draft position. He may be a #1 overall pick, but he's earned nothing in the NFL. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. (06-21-2021, 06:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:(06-21-2021, 06:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It should be an open competition imo A lot of us seem to think he'll just win it very easily. (06-21-2021, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:Thank you. Precisely correct.(06-21-2021, 06:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I've said that from the start. Many on the other hand think that the starting position should be "given" to Lawrence because of his draft position. He may be a #1 overall pick, but he's earned nothing in the NFL. No one has said “just hand him the job”. It’s just that many of us believe Lawrence is the better QB and will win the job. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (06-21-2021, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:This.(06-21-2021, 06:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I've said that from the start. Many on the other hand think that the starting position should be "given" to Lawrence because of his draft position. He may be a #1 overall pick, but he's earned nothing in the NFL. With minshew at the helm we went 1-15. I’m not saying give Lawrence the job, but it shouldn’t be that hard to earn. Should be easy to look like a good swimmer when the pool is really shallow. (06-21-2021, 08:13 PM)JagsorDie Wrote:(06-21-2021, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: A lot of us seem to think he'll just win it very easily.This. Which is why then the Jags would have to sell high on Lawrence in the case he does not... before the rest of the league realizes he was overhyped.
I think Trevor wins being both are learning a new offense. With Minshew healthy though it should be a fun battle to watch and wouldnt shock me one bit if he shows out in training camp and pre seasonal and question to start week 1
(06-21-2021, 08:13 PM)JagsorDie Wrote:(06-21-2021, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: A lot of us seem to think he'll just win it very easily.This. He wasn't at the helm for the entire [BLEEP] show. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(06-21-2021, 09:09 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote:(06-21-2021, 08:13 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: This. Like half the season and most of the games with fractures and torn ligaments in his throwing hand.
I love minshew. But if he was the answer, we wouldn’t have been in position to even acquire Lawrence.
(06-21-2021, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(06-21-2021, 09:09 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: He wasn't at the helm for the entire [BLEEP] show. The wheels came off at least a couple of games before he actually injured his hand. |
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