They both also made it without having to draft their starting QBs in the first round.

 

Pesky thing, those facts.

Haha nitpicking considering Manning was the #1 overall pick but whatever works for you. My point was against JungleCat who wants to take Matthews at #3.

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They both also made it without having to draft their starting QBs in the first round.

 

Pesky thing, those facts.

 

Thats a bit disingenuous - how often do Peyton Manning level QB become available in FA??

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Haha nitpicking considering Manning was the #1 overall pick but whatever works for you. My point was against JungleCat who wants to take Matthews at #3.

 

Not nitpicking at all.  You tried to sneak one by and failed miserably.

 

Neither spent a first round pick on their QB.  In fact, the first round QB the Broncos drafted is out of the league.

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Thats a bit disingenuous - how often do Peyton Manning level QB become available in FA??

 

That's the sound of the truth not fitting your agenda.  Again.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Not nitpicking at all.  You tried to sneak one by and failed miserably.

 

Neither spent a first round pick on their QB.  In fact, the first round QB the Broncos drafted is out of the league.

Trying to sneak one by? Hmmm... don't think so. How do you know I'm saying we should draft a QB? You're just simply grasping at straws my dude.

 

Let me know when an offensive lineman wins an MVP or Super Bowl MVP award.

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Trying to sneak one by? Hmmm... don't think so. How do you know I'm saying we should draft a QB? You're just simply grasping at straws my dude.

 

Let me know when an offensive lineman wins an MVP or Super Bowl MVP award.

 

There are 10 other guys the QB (who gets all the credit most of the time) must rely on.  Like the guys who protect them and the guys who make spectacular plays for him.

 

The point is, the better the team around the QB, the better the chance of that team's success are regardless of where the QB comes from.

 

Taking Matthews at #3 wouldn't be my first choice, but no doubt about it he would be a very important part of making this team competitive for a long, long time if we did take him.

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That's the sound of the truth not fitting your agenda.  Again.

 

What agenda?? Pirk, you including Peyton as if QB like him aren't an EXTREME outlier because they practically never reach FA, is being disingenuous. 

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There are 10 other guys the QB (who gets all the credit most of the time) must rely on.  Like the guys who protect them and the guys who make spectacular plays for him.

 

The point is, the better the team around the QB, the better the chance of that team's success are regardless of where the QB comes from.

 

Taking Matthews at #3 wouldn't be my first choice, but no doubt about it he would be a very important part of making this team competitive for a long, long time if we did take him.

 

If we went OL with the first round, (which I do not want but for sake of discussion) the guy we'd want is Robinson. He's the better run blocker/ mauler of the available OT's of this draft and would fit either ORT or ORG perfectly. We already know that Joeckel for whatever reason isn't best suited on the right side, so you'd go Robinson here, who would be. 

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There are 10 other guys the QB (who gets all the credit most of the time) must rely on.  Like the guys who protect them and the guys who make spectacular plays for him.

 

The point is, the better the team around the QB, the better the chance of that team's success are regardless of where the QB comes from.

 

Taking Matthews at #3 wouldn't be my first choice, but no doubt about it he would be a very important part of making this team competitive for a long, long time if we did take him.

Joe Thomas and the Browns ring a bell? He's is probably the best tackle in all of football. Their defense is really good, they have Gordon and Cameron but why are they so bad? It's because of the QB. Until Russell came in, the Seahawks were average. You need good players around the QB but the QB is most important by far. We need to find one and history shows that the best way (not the only way) is to draft one in the 1st round.

 

I totally understand its a team game (look at the most recent Super Bowl) but taking an offensive lineman in this years draft would be the worst move we can make. There are only 3 option in this draft I think for us and that's Clowney, Mack and Teddy.

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Haha nitpicking considering Manning was the #1 overall pick but whatever works for you. My point was against JungleCat who wants to take Matthews at #3.

 

Maybe a guy as good as Manning doesnt come along in free agency very often but even still, there are a lot of ways to skin a cat so to speak.  And drafting a guy in the first round isnt the only way to land a good QB.  I mentioned this in another thread but if you look at the top 15 in QB rating this season (actually I went with top 17 and excluded Josh McCown and Sam Bradford becuase they played less than half a season). only 5 of them were first rounders playing for the team that took them.  (Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, and Cam).  The other 10 werent drafted in the first round or arent playing for the team that drafted them.

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They both also made it without having to draft their starting QBs in the first round.


Pesky thing, those facts.

Seattle also got lucky. They misevaluated Wilson and caught a break.

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They both also made it without having to draft their starting QBs in the first round.


Pesky thing, those facts.

No they just used someone's else 1st round QB to get there.

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I just don't think they are that valuable..  Jimmy Johnson has the same viewpoint and actually never took a tackle that high.  Most of the superbowl winning O-lines he had were mid rounders.

 

 

Yeah thank God the Vikings took Matt Kalil...

 

The Redskins taking Trent Williams sure has put them over the top.

 

The Rams taking Jason Smith in 2009 also sure turned their franchise around.

 

Same thing with the Bengals taking Andre Smith in 2009... sure made them playoff contenders (and had nothing to do with AJ Green and Andy Dalton and one of the best Defense's in the league"

 

Jake Long.... even as a perennial pro bowler, didn't help the Dolphins do squat. 

 

 

They are overrated to be taken so high.  Not needed. 

 

Even good tackles taken high on (now) good teams Russell Okung for the Seahawks.... the Seahawks have shown that they can win without him. 

 

I'm not an advocate for taking a LT high in this draft, but the value in a good LT comes when you have a QB worthy of their play. 

 

With the exception of Long, those tackles never justified their draft positions. I could argue that a great tackle can manipulate a lot of the offensive game plan. Tackles like Boselli, for example, could eliminate the defenses best players and often eliminate two defenders on run plays. I understand that few are as talented, but using examples of bad tackles to justify not taking one is a bit disingenuous. 

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They both also made it without having to draft their starting QBs in the first round.


Pesky thing, those facts.

Pesky thing, those out liars

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Maybe a guy as good as Manning doesnt come along in free agency very often but even still, there are a lot of ways to skin a cat so to speak.  And drafting a guy in the first round isnt the only way to land a good QB.  I mentioned this in another thread but if you look at the top 15 in QB rating this season (actually I went with top 17 and excluded Josh McCown and Sam Bradford becuase they played less than half a season). only 5 of them were first rounders playing for the team that took them.  (Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, and Cam).  The other 10 werent drafted in the first round or arent playing for the team that drafted them.

 

Some don't have the capacity to reason so logically, or think so deeply.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Seattle also got lucky. They misevaluated Wilson and caught a break.

 

Misevaluated?!?!  They were the only ones to get it right.

 

Unless you think drafting him in the first round would have been a better value... LOL.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Pesky thing, those out liars

 

It's the truth.  And speaking of lying, who's lying about their profession...  LOL.

 

You can use free agency as well as the draft to fill your needs.  Well, maybe not your needs...

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So many people have so many agendas it makes it hard to have an actual conversation on the QB's.

 

Pirkster is a grade 1 joke.

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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So many people have so many agendas is make it hard to have an actual conversation on the QB's.

 

Pirkster is a grade 1 joke.

 

I don't think he has an agenda.  I do, however, believe that he and TMD are much more alike than he realizes.  He's taken so firm a stand on this issue at this point that he is forced to violently argue, to the point where he might not even be as extreme as he sounds any more.

 

Very TMD-esque.

 

As far as Wilson, he's pretty much the final piece that put the team where they needed to be.  If he were 3 inches taller, he'd have been a first rounder.  Even an inch probably puts him in the second.  Can you see the Seahawks getting to the SB with Matt Flynn?  Because I sure can't.

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I don't think he has an agenda.  I do, however, believe that he and TMD are much more alike than he realizes.  He's taken so firm a stand on this issue at this point that he is forced to violently argue, to the point where he might not even be as extreme as he sounds any more.

 

Very TMD-esque.

 

As far as Wilson, he's pretty much the final piece that put the team where they needed to be.  If he were 3 inches taller, he'd have been a first rounder.  Even an inch probably puts him in the second.  Can you see the Seahawks getting to the SB with Matt Flynn?  Because I sure can't.

I don't think they are very alike at all. Pirkster reaches for outliers and TMD makes ridiculous arguments. But, Pirkster doesn't think for himself. He's a grade 1 homer. At least TMD thinks about what he's saying.

 

And you're right, Seattle wouldn't be nearly as good of a team as they are now without Wilson. 

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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