I have a degree in finance and work in the industry and I'm  quite positive I have a better grasp of how markets work than you do.

 

The link is in reference to the other poster making the claim that Monroe wasn't a part of their plans, and if that was a strategy for getting the most for Monroe then it filed miserably.

 

You have a degree in finance and don't see the difference between dealing in labor and trucks?  Okay anonymous internet guy, I defer to your appeal to authority fallacy.  Clearly you know what you're talking about.

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Age and quality???

 

He was 26 years old when he was traded and is considered one of the best young LTs in the league and one of the best FAs possibly on the market.

 

And Joeckel is 22. And Monroe will be 27 in a few weeks. Calling him a "young LT" is a bit of a stretch. 

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And Joeckel is 22. And Monroe will be 27 in a few weeks. Calling him a "young LT" is a bit of a stretch. 

Players coming off their rookie contracts are considered young.

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You have a degree in finance and don't see the difference between dealing in labor and trucks?  Okay anonymous internet guy, I defer to your appeal to authority fallacy.  Clearly you know what you're talking about.

Get back to me when you have taken an economics class and I will be more than happy to discuss the workings of labor markets, real estate markets, or even truck markets.

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You have a degree in finance and don't see the difference between dealing in labor and trucks?  Okay anonymous internet guy, I defer to your appeal to authority fallacy.  Clearly you know what you're talking about.

All markets are controlled by sentient people. You aren't negotiating with the truck.

 

The same rules apply to someone selling you their truck or selling you their services.

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All markets are controlled by sentient people. You aren't negotiating with the truck.

 

The same rules apply to someone selling you their truck or selling you their services.

 

I'm really having a tough time between deciding to ignore you, or continue so you can keep dropping these gems. 

 

All markets are controlled by sentient people?  Thanks for that straw man since nobody argued otherwise.  That's two fallacies in a row, let's see if you can make it three in a row; I have faith in you.

 

Yes, if you want to sell a commodity, then both work similarly.  How do they work if you want to keep your commodity?

 

If you want to sell your truck, you negotiate with someone and try to do so.  If you want to keep your truck, you have that option.  You don't have to negotiate with anyone to do so.  It's your truck.  Can the truck just leave?  No.  Can the truck decide it is worth more than you believe it is and demand a big raise?  No. 

 

If you want to sell your player (for the duration they're under contract and are in fact yours), you negotiate with someone and try to do so.  If you want to keep your player, you might be able to do so, if you negotiate with your player and meet their demands.  Can the player just leave?  Yes.  Can the player decide it is worth more than you believe it is and demand a big raise?  Yes. 

 

You can try to dance around the details, but these two situations are not the same.

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Still amazed after all of this that so few of us get that Baltimore rented Monroe for 11 games for a playoff run and gave up their 4th and 5th pick as the price.  Which kinda sucks for them.  In week, unless Baltimore gets it done, we can get Monroe back for cheaper than franchising him, and of course, keep the picks.

 

Count me as a dude that thinks we got a great deal.

 

In keeping with the automobile analogy, the guys that thought we should've got a 3rd for him are still shocked that no ones giving them 6 grand for the rusty '91 camaro in their front yard that's had a sign on it for 3 years now.

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One thing for sure,  if Dave Caldwell converts the two draft picks acquired for Eugene Monroe into Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor value,  practically no one will be looking at the trade as a mistake by the Jaguars.  

 

Whether the Jaguars could have received more for Monroe if they waited 2 or 3 additional weeks is something we probably will never know the answer to.   

 

 

What really matter from a Jaguars standpoint is how the draft picks resources are used.   In what looks like a deep draft,  there certainly will be opportunties in the 4th and 5th Rounds to make significant upgrades.

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One thing for sure,  if Dave Caldwell converts the two draft picks acquired for Eugene Monroe into Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor value,  practically no one will be looking at the trade as a mistake by the Jaguars.  

 

Whether the Jaguars could have received more for Monroe if they waited 2 or 3 additional weeks is something we probably will never know the answer to.   

 

 

What really matter from a Jaguars standpoint is how the draft picks resources are used.   In what looks like a deep draft,  there certainly will be opportunties in the 4th and 5th Rounds to make significant upgrades.

 

Draft picks have a value independent of the player they are used to pick. If the Browns take a total bust with Indy's 1st they stole for Trent Richardson, it was still a great trade, they just wasted it.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

One thing for sure,  if Dave Caldwell converts the two draft picks acquired for Eugene Monroe into Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor value,  practically no one will be looking at the trade as a mistake by the Jaguars.  

 

 

The chance of that happening are slim to none

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Draft picks have a value independent of the player they are used to pick. If the Browns take a total bust with Indy's 1st they stole for Trent Richardson, it was still a great trade, they just wasted it.

 

 

In theory I agree with you.   But in terms of tangible results,  if the players picked with the draft resources don't pan out,    there's not much,  if anything,  to show from the trade.

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The chance of that happening are slim to none

 

While I certainly agree it's not likely to get value in the 4th and 5th Rounds like the Seahawks got in the 5th Round with the two DB's I mentioned,  the fact that it happened in recent years demonstrates that the possibility exists.   Even if as expected the Jaguars don't hit two Home Runs with their two picks from the Eugene Monroe deal,  I'm confident most fans of the Jaguars would settle for two Doubles.  

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This guy thinks Monroe is not worth the franchise tag. 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens...-on-monroe

 

Monroe is going to the highest bidder.   He would have done that with us, too.  Fortunately, we got a couple of draft picks in exchange for the last 11 games of his contract.   Good move.  

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What is getting lost in the debate here, is that Monroe stunk in our new system. Did he even have one game that he looked competent in? He was also reportedly unwilling to cut block, a feature in our new scheme.


Also, just like some folks are saying that Baltimore was smart to trade for him because they got an extended look before he became a FA, the Jaguars got an extended look through OTA's, training camp, preseason, and 4 regular season games. After all that, they decided he wasn't part of the core for whatever reason.

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In theory I agree with you.   But in terms of tangible results,  if the players picked with the draft resources don't pan out,    there's not much,  if anything,  to show from the trade.

 

The draft picks regardless of panning out is still greater than simply letting a guy walk.  You have a chance with a pick, versus having no chance.

 

Especially with all the holes to fill, and a VERY deep draft.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Yeah it's very hard to twist this deal into being bad for the Jags, overall.

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The draft picks regardless of panning out is still greater than simply letting a guy walk.  You have a chance with a pick, versus having no chance.

 

Especially with all the holes to fill, and a VERY deep draft.

 

Absolutely.  Especially considering that the trade value the Jaguars received from the Baltimore Ravens very likely would exceed the value the Jaguars could have potentially received via a 2015 Compensatory Pick.   Especially,  when factoring in present value into the equation.

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In week, unless Baltimore gets it done, we can get Monroe back for cheaper than franchising him, and of course, keep the picks.

If Monroe had any kind of future with the new regime, he wouldn't have been traded in the first place. Trust me, there are 31 NFL teams, 9 Canadian teams and 14 AFL teams (including the Jacksonville Sharks) that Monroe is more likely to sign with than the Jaguars.

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....in theory, not execution. 

 

The Pats usually get good deals when they make trades. 

Trading a player is a lot harder than it looks. The Jaguars got good compensation from a non-playoff team for a player that wasn't going to resign.

 

The fact that the trade even occurred is pretty impressive all in itself. But what can I say, I'm not the one to irrationally criticize every move the front office makes.

 

Only the bad ones. And that one, while initially looked spotty, turned out to be a good call.

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THERE IS A SKELETON INSIDE OF YOU.

 

RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

Absolutely.  Especially considering that the trade value the Jaguars received from the Baltimore Ravens very likely would exceed the value the Jaguars could have potentially received via a 2015 Compensatory Pick.   Especially,  when factoring in present value into the equation.

 

And you have the factor in that the team likely would not have gotten a comp pick for Monroe anyway. As they are expected to be players in free agency.

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