You obviously did not read it because every rookie I listed that failed in that task went on to have successful careers; they did not bust. . I.e. it is way too early to make judgement calls for good or for bad, especially when I would argue he has faced one of the worst situations in NFL history for a rookie QB to be in. It’s basically impossible to evaluate. This is not an excuse. This is a objective fact to most people and observers. How can you evaluate a player when said player has all but been set up to fail?

You also contradict yourself. You say you haven’t given up on him, but in the prior paragraph you say TL is one of the busts. So which is it? Is he a bust? Or is he a struggling rookie in a bad system who still can go on to be “fixed” and be our QB?

He's a bust.  But I support giving him another shot with another QB coach to see if the turd can be polished.  It is beyond clear at this point and after the last two weeks that playing time and his current QB coach cannot turn him into a pro player.  So try something else.  Bench him and a new coach.  See what can be salvaged.

Glad to know that after only 13 games in literally a circus of a pro system and staff you are qualified to make that evaluation. What a relief.

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That Oz guy supported the Tebow signing, which says all you need to know about his opinions.

Waste of time going back and forth with him. He's likely just an Urban nut hugger which is why he joined this site after Urbs was hired.

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That Oz guy supported the Tebow signing, which says all you need to know about his opinions.

Waste of time going back and forth with him. He's likely just an Urban nut hugger which is why he joined this site after Urbs was hired.

Stop. Did he?!

It makes SO MUCH SENSE NOW!

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I’d like to see TL with a REAL coach and a good OC. I’m not convinced Bevell is a bad OC. But his time here is done. Despite the friction between him and Urbs, we need to get rid of him as well. Now that TL has found the speed of the NFL v college, I’d like to give him the proper tools to succeed. A decent OL, decent coach and decent OC and decent WR’s. He was doomed to fail this year. Add in a Rb that’s not benched because of a fluke and a 1 true fumble.

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That Oz guy supported the Tebow signing, which says all you need to know about his opinions.

Waste of time going back and forth with him. He's likely just an Urban nut hugger which is why he joined this site after Urbs was hired.

Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

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That Oz guy supported the Tebow signing, which says all you need to know about his opinions.

Waste of time going back and forth with him. He's likely just an Urban nut hugger which is why he joined this site after Urbs was hired.

Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

It is really easy to dunk on anyone associated with this team. Were you here through the Bortles years where passing a football was in question? How about wagers on pick 6es? What are your feelings on Garrard vs Lewtwich? How about Blaine Gabbert?

Get out of here with the Trevor bashing. He maybe like many other Joe Harrington, scrap heap guys but jeez watch some darn football. Lawrence is  1 on the concern scale. Heck people with eyes to see can see him working his tale off with no support.

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Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

It is really easy to dunk on anyone associated with this team. Were you here through the Bortles years where passing a football was in question? How about wagers on pick 6es? What are your feelings on Garrard vs Lewtwich? How about Blaine Gabbert?

Get out of here with the Trevor bashing. He maybe like many other Joe Harrington, scrap heap guys but jeez watch some darn football. Lawrence is  1 on the concern scale. Heck people with eyes to see can see him working his tale off with no support.

Maybe I can kill this thread, too.

Here's all of Trevor's passes from Sunday. Which of his passes in the first three quarters were inaccurate?
https://youtu.be/SIA3Mkih9uE

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It is really easy to dunk on anyone associated with this team. Were you here through the Bortles years where passing a football was in question? How about wagers on pick 6es? What are your feelings on Garrard vs Lewtwich? How about Blaine Gabbert?

Get out of here with the Trevor bashing. He maybe like many other Joe Harrington, scrap heap guys but jeez watch some darn football. Lawrence is  1 on the concern scale. Heck people with eyes to see can see him working his tale off with no support.

Maybe I can kill this thread, too.

Here's all of Trevor's passes from Sunday. Which of his passes in the first three quarters were inaccurate?
https://youtu.be/SIA3Mkih9uE

He had a couple bad passes including a painful overthrow. 

In the fourth quarter, having been hit multiple times, a pick caused by shenault, and drops, he gets skiddish being a rookie, which is kind of what they do. 

Basically, an expects performance from a rookie, especially one in his drastically bad situation. 

Who would have thunk?

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New York Post : The Jaguars might have a Trevor Lawrence problem, too.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/13/the-jaguar...oblem-too/

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That Oz guy supported the Tebow signing, which says all you need to know about his opinions.

Waste of time going back and forth with him. He's likely just an Urban nut hugger which is why he joined this site after Urbs was hired.

Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

This is a good explanation of everyone who insults me when I point out T-Laws failures predraft and post draft. Ignorance. The same ignorance when I wanted Bortles gone after year 1, same ignorance when I said Blaine Gabbert was a bust half way through his rookie year.

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Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

This is a good explanation of everyone who insults me when I point out T-Laws failures predraft and post draft. Ignorance. The same ignorance when I wanted Bortles gone after year 1, same ignorance when I said Blaine Gabbert was a bust half way through his rookie year.

If you watched Bortles and Gabbert after year 1 and have the same opinion of T-Law after year 1, you don't watch football close, especially considering the coaches each had

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Bzzzz!  Wrong.  Go back and check.  I said it was a non-event.  I took joy in the rabidly anti-Tebow because it was obvious from the moment he signed that he would be cut.  Go back and read every post.  You'll find just two pro-Tebow posts.  One that I trolled to get the thread lit again.  A second troll attempt was too obvious and got called out immediately.  Every other Tebow post was either a statement as to why he was irrelevant or a stretch for reasons that having someone who would obviously be cut could still be useful.


This is why you're so bad at analysing TL.  You see what you want to see.  Remember what you want to remember.  You're too tied up in your own emotions and desires to assess the situation for what it is.

This is a good explanation of everyone who insults me when I point out T-Laws failures predraft and post draft. Ignorance. The same ignorance when I wanted Bortles gone after year 1, same ignorance when I said Blaine Gabbert was a bust half way through his rookie year.

So then how many times have you been banned and keep coming back on new accounts if that's the case?

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This is a good explanation of everyone who insults me when I point out T-Laws failures predraft and post draft. Ignorance. The same ignorance when I wanted Bortles gone after year 1, same ignorance when I said Blaine Gabbert was a bust half way through his rookie year.

So then how many times have you been banned and keep coming back on new accounts if that's the case?

Ohhhhhhh......... someone just "outed" their self accidentally.

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This is a good explanation of everyone who insults me when I point out T-Laws failures predraft and post draft. Ignorance. The same ignorance when I wanted Bortles gone after year 1, same ignorance when I said Blaine Gabbert was a bust half way through his rookie year.

If you watched Bortles and Gabbert after year 1 and have the same opinion of T-Law after year 1, you don't watch football close, especially considering the coaches each had

Bevell and Schottenheimer are experienced NFL coaches. Some people here like to pretend that especially Bevell is terrible but fact is he is about the best OC that you'll ever see in Jacksonville. What kind of background do you seriously think the next OC will have? 

I already know the excuse that Bevell had Wilson...

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If you watched Bortles and Gabbert after year 1 and have the same opinion of T-Law after year 1, you don't watch football close, especially considering the coaches each had

Bevell and Schottenheimer are experienced NFL coaches. Some people here like to pretend that especially Bevell is terrible but fact is he is about the best OC that you'll ever see in Jacksonville. What kind of background do you seriously think the next OC will have? 

I already know the excuse that Bevell had Wilson...

Bevell is the best OC we'll see in Jville? Bahahahaha

Dude is garbage. Stop. I'd take Hack and Gruden right now with Trevor at QB. Probably a few more from previous failed regimes as well.

Either way it's players not plays. Until the roster improves the play won't. And with Urban building the roster it's gone from Caldwell bad to Baalke worse.

Imagine that. Meyer and Baalke have mismanaged this roster and Meyer doesn't know how to run an NFL team.
Who saw that coming

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Bevell and Schottenheimer are experienced NFL coaches. Some people here like to pretend that especially Bevell is terrible but fact is he is about the best OC that you'll ever see in Jacksonville. What kind of background do you seriously think the next OC will have? 

I already know the excuse that Bevell had Wilson...

Bevell is the best OC we'll see in Jville? Bahahahaha

Dude is garbage. Stop. I'd take Hack and Gruden right now with Trevor at QB. Probably a few more from previous failed regimes as well.

Either way it's players not plays. Until the roster improves the play won't. And with Urban building the roster it's gone from Caldwell bad to Baalke worse.

Imagine that. Meyer and Baalke have mismanaged this roster and Meyer doesn't know how to run an NFL team.
Who saw that coming

Why is Bevell garbage if it's the players? Looks like you can't make up your mind. This is because you're not thinking, just feeling. 

Now, let's try to think. Look at Bevell's track record before coming here. Do you honestly think anyone will be better than that and still want to come to Jacksonville? Any OC with a better record will be here as an inexperienced rookie HC.

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Maybe I can kill this thread, too.

Here's all of Trevor's passes from Sunday. Which of his passes in the first three quarters were inaccurate?
https://youtu.be/SIA3Mkih9uE

He had a couple bad passes including a painful overthrow. 

In the fourth quarter, having been hit multiple times, a pick caused by shenault, and drops, he gets skiddish being a rookie, which is kind of what they do. 

Basically, an expects performance from a rookie, especially one in his drastically bad situation. 

Who would have thunk?

His bad passes all were very late in the game. It's like I've said elsewhere, he wasn't the reason the Jaguars offense couldn't sustain anything all game. He's surrounded by a team that couldn't reach .500 if Joe Montana in his prime were the QB, and he's got a head coach that doesn't even understand the game he's coaching.

Khan is putting on a clinic in how to waste a talent, this season.

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It is really easy to dunk on anyone associated with this team. Were you here through the Bortles years where passing a football was in question? How about wagers on pick 6es? What are your feelings on Garrard vs Lewtwich? How about Blaine Gabbert?

Get out of here with the Trevor bashing. He maybe like many other Joe Harrington, scrap heap guys but jeez watch some darn football. Lawrence is  1 on the concern scale. Heck people with eyes to see can see him working his tale off with no support.

Maybe I can kill this thread, too.

Here's all of Trevor's passes from Sunday. Which of his passes in the first three quarters were inaccurate?
https://youtu.be/SIA3Mkih9uE

This was really painful to watch. Couple things stand out.

1. Lawrence is the dude and I actually think it's fairly obvious. He's not skiddish in the pocket even though 90% of the time, the pocket is collapsing.
2. He had ZERO time to throw and this started from the very first play on offense. Tennesee was after him all game.
3. The drops are getting to be hilarious at this point. Viska and OShags especially.
4. Almost every drive this game had a bad penalty. Holding calls to set up 1st and 20. False starts. It's setting the offense up to fail from the jump.

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So then how many times have you been banned and keep coming back on new accounts if that's the case?

Ohhhhhhh......... someone just "outed" their self accidentally.

We dont ban people for their ignorant takes, it's up to the users to deal with folks like JagBoy, Ozzie, and nejags dude.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Hahahahaha

"His time is running out after 13 games!" 

Get lost.

Point to ONE good thing TL has done to lift this team.  Cannot be done.


He has regressed this season.  Fact.  He is more inaccurate now than at the start.  Fact.  His throwing these last two games is the worst we've seen from him.  Fact.


He is a zero progress player at this point.  Does that mean he's lost?  No.  But it does mean the odds of him turning out to be the megastar we hoped have faded to almost zero.  He doesn't know what to do out there.  He does not have the skills to lead a team.  And those skills are game management skills.  Does.  Not.  Have.  Them.  He needs coaching and schooling badly.  Get him a new QB coach and see what can be done to save him.  And that doesn't mean his QB coach is garbage, but it hasn't worked.  Something new must be tried.

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Wait....weren't you the one that said we need to pass eleventy billion times a game because that's the only way he's going to develop?

Yes.  I said that was the only way he could get better at passing, which has has really sucked at the last two week.  Really sucked.  So now I've concluded he isn't going to get better.  At least he isn't going to do it playing because he's getting worse.  So it's time for that last roll of the dice with this guy.  A new QB coach/mentor that can help him understand how to play the pro game.  Start the off-season early and get this guy to school.  Bench him.  He's failed.

Name me one QB who cited their time on the bench following a rough start making them a better QB.

So you've made a rash decision as to his success that is a complete reversal of your previous misguided notion that "no run, only throw" is the recipe for growth. Pardon me for being skeptical of your new suggestion to foster his career.

His teammates are going to have his back a lot more if he's out there struggling along with them rather than sitting on the bench and coddled from making mistakes. You're right that there is a desperate need for coaching and scheme to assist in his development. Maybe we shouldn't say he needs coaching badly, because coaching badly seems to be a point of expertise among the current gameplanners.

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