Man, the excuse making. He's not a superstar. He's a bust. It happens.

Riddle me this: If he's not a bust and it's everyone else's fault then how's he get any better? You can only roll over about 20% of a starting lineup in year, so that's at least three years until he's got the talent that you can't blame anymore. If he were great then he would be shooting the lights out and the team still losing. But he's not. He can't read defenses. He can't make adjustments. He checks down poorly. His footwork is lame. Elevating the QB coach who was supposed to be teaching him game is not the answer. The shot caller should not be the guy who failed to improve TL one iota this year.

Anyways, I'm here cheering for one player and TL's success or failure won't affect his personal success, which is going fine. I would like to see a better QB, though, so that he could enjoy some team success.

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I think the Jags need to draft or sign a Plan B for next year.

As I said before, not having chemistry or not knowing the play book is one thing.

On a fairly common basis missing easy throws is another thing. He makes too many easy throws look hard. The big question is, Why? It's not all the receivers or coaches fault. Yes the Receivers drop passes but they also get open some times and Lawrence flat out misses them. He also makes receivers reach behind or above the receivers too much. Way too inconsistent. At this stage in the season we should be able to rely on out QB to make a 10 yard or less throw almost every time. It's a 50/50 shot now.

Time to stop blaming everybody and everything including the man on the moon why Lawrence is struggling. He is flat out inaccurate. The numbers prove that and the eyeball test proves that. I saw numerous Receivers get open vs Houston and either Lawrence did not see them or flat out missed them.

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Man, the excuse making.  He's not a superstar.  He's a bust.  It happens.

Riddle me this:  If he's not a bust and it's everyone else's fault then how's he get any better?  You can only roll over about 20% of a starting lineup in year, so that's at least three years until he's got the talent that you can't blame anymore.  If he were great then he would be shooting the lights out and the team still losing.  But he's not.  He can't read defenses.  He can't make adjustments.  He checks down poorly.  His footwork is lame.  Elevating the QB coach who was supposed to be teaching him game is not the answer.  The shot caller should not be the guy who failed to improve TL one iota this year.

Anyways, I'm here cheering for one player and TL's success or failure won't affect his personal success, which is going fine.  I would like to see a better QB, though, so that he could enjoy some team success.

Wait. What?

Who are you cheering for?

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Man, the excuse making.  He's not a superstar.  He's a bust.  It happens.

Riddle me this:  If he's not a bust and it's everyone else's fault then how's he get any better?  You can only roll over about 20% of a starting lineup in year, so that's at least three years until he's got the talent that you can't blame anymore.  If he were great then he would be shooting the lights out and the team still losing.  But he's not.  He can't read defenses.  He can't make adjustments.  He checks down poorly.  His footwork is lame.  Elevating the QB coach who was supposed to be teaching him game is not the answer.  The shot caller should not be the guy who failed to improve TL one iota this year.

Anyways, I'm here cheering for one player and TL's success or failure won't affect his personal success, which is going fine.  I would like to see a better QB, though, so that he could enjoy some team success.

You’re here for one guy? Tebow has been long and gone, dude.

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I'm not worried in the first year but he has been bad but so has everything but Robinson.

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Man, the excuse making.  He's not a superstar.  He's a bust.  It happens.

Riddle me this:  If he's not a bust and it's everyone else's fault then how's he get any better?  You can only roll over about 20% of a starting lineup in year, so that's at least three years until he's got the talent that you can't blame anymore.  If he were great then he would be shooting the lights out and the team still losing.  But he's not.  He can't read defenses.  He can't make adjustments.  He checks down poorly.  His footwork is lame.  Elevating the QB coach who was supposed to be teaching him game is not the answer.  The shot caller should not be the guy who failed to improve TL one iota this year.

Anyways, I'm here cheering for one player and TL's success or failure won't affect his personal success, which is going fine.  I would like to see a better QB, though, so that he could enjoy some team success.

Wait. What?

Who are you cheering for?

My guess is Laviska. Since he's been bad all year he wants someone to pin the blame on.

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Some of the clowns on the board swear I don't know what I'm talking about.

Around the 22 min mark both Prisco and Boselli are finally saying what I have been for weeks.

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His regression is concerning, no doubt. The stats don’t lie. However, I still think he is going to be a great player for us. I think his breakout game may come against the Jets this weekend.

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His regression is concerning, no doubt. The stats don’t lie. However, I still think he is going to be a great player for us. I think his breakout game may come against the Jets this weekend.

We know what Minshew did, so we have as close as a comparison you can have

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Some of the clowns on the board swear I don't know what I'm talking about.

Around the 22 min mark both Prisco and Boselli are finally saying what I have been for weeks.

The worst thing that ever happened to TL was UM getting shot and Schott getting promoted.  The "it's all the coach's fault" excuse has been used and the same coach that has failed to do anything with TL is now the boss of the whole offense.  TL is guaranteed to regress.  This forum will hate him worse that UM by the off-season.

For posterity's sake, I'll post my recommendation here as it was called out to be outrageously agressive and in two months will be called outrageously conservative:

* Bench TL, play CJ to have an at least minimally NFL capable QB leading the squad.  And get TL a new QB coach.


Instead, we're promoting his failed QB coach, continuing to play him as he deteriorates and will lose the entire investment in one year.  My guy is playing well so all is good, though.  He'll end up with trade to a real team.

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Tlaw has been playing afraid to make mistakes. He needs to just let it fly. Its difficult for him to finish games with 250 passing or more unless he started throwing down the field more. Also Teams know all about the jags love to throw short. The defenses are crowding everything short. Nothing to lose. Just let them passes go and that will open up Robinson even more. But hell no. Hes not a bust. Give him some time.

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Tlaw has been playing afraid to make mistakes. He needs to just let it fly. Its difficult for him to finish games with 250 passing or more unless he started throwing down the field more.  Also Teams know all about the jags love to throw short. The defenses are crowding everything short.  Nothing to lose. Just let them passes go and that will open up Robinson even more. But hell no. Hes not a bust. Give him some time.

no, he's not a bust.  It's too early.  But in reality, he's not nearly as accurate as you would like from the first overall pick in the draft.  With a clean pocket you have marvin jones running with a step on his guy for a TD.  Trev doesn't put it in the same zip code.  Third and 8 no pressure and Treadwell wide open 4 yards past the sticks, he one hops it.  Another third down pass he throws below the waste and Treadwell drops it.  

Those aren't instances of pressure, receivers not getting open etc.  Those are instances that have to be completed @ a 90% rate in the league.

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The big problem is it’s trending in the wrong direction. The high point was the game against the Bengals. After that it went worse by the week and that’s a fact.

In my view it’s a lot of things. Sharing reps in training camp was bad. He started the year firing long a lot of times. After that he flipped and played scared. At the moment he doesn’t know what to do. He looks lost because nobody is making a play for him or getting open. And it spreads to his mechanics and everything else. It is purely mental in my view.

Hit the reset button, start from scratch with new weapons and a new offense and get reps reps reps and let’s see. My favourite moment of the season was the opening drive againsy the Broncos.

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Some of the clowns on the board swear I don't know what I'm talking about.

Around the 22 min mark both Prisco and Boselli are finally saying what I have been for weeks.

The worst thing that ever happened to TL was UM getting shot and Schott getting promoted.  The "it's all the coach's fault" excuse has been used and the same coach that has failed to do anything with TL is now the boss of the whole offense.  TL is guaranteed to regress.  This forum will hate him worse that UM by the off-season.

For posterity's sake, I'll post my recommendation here as it was called out to be outrageously agressive and in two months will be called outrageously conservative:

* Bench TL, play CJ to have an at least minimally NFL capable QB leading the squad.  And get TL a new QB coach.


Instead, we're promoting his failed QB coach, continuing to play him as he deteriorates and will lose the entire investment in one year.  My guy is playing well so all is good, though.  He'll end up with trade to a real team.

You can't play Beathard. If he plays better then you have a real problem. This is what they saw in New Jersey when the backup was much better than their 1st-rounder.

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I think the Jags need to draft or sign a Plan B for next year.

As I said before, not having chemistry or not knowing the play book is one thing.

On a fairly common basis missing easy throws is another thing. He makes too many easy throws look hard. The big question is, Why? It's not all the receivers or coaches fault. Yes the Receivers drop passes but they also get open some times and Lawrence flat out misses them. He also makes receivers reach behind or above the receivers too much. Way too inconsistent. At this stage in the season we should be able to rely on out QB to make a 10 yard or less throw almost every time. It's a 50/50 shot now.

Time to stop blaming everybody and everything including the man on the moon why Lawrence is struggling. He is flat out inaccurate. The numbers prove that and the eyeball test proves that. I saw numerous Receivers get open vs Houston and either Lawrence did not see them or flat out missed them.

I actually don't mind a Plan B. Technically, they had one. Between Baalke and Meyer they managed to [BLEEP] that up.

Minshew should have started this year. Lawrence should have sat. Best case scenario. Minshew builds immense trade value. Worst case scenario. Minshew stinks it up for a few weeks and Lawrence starts later.

The issue is that, this QB class coming up is pretty weak. Even the 'top" QBs have major question marks coming out of college. I highly doubt this team is investing any high draft pick on a "Plan B" as they need to have options A, B and C next year on offense to support Lawrence.

The next staff is going to have to be fully engaged in fixing, masking and elevating Lawrence's strengths and weaknesses next year for sure. They will need to go back and look at his last two years at Clemson.

I think next summer the approach during training camp needs to be implementing and executing 65% of what he did at Clemson so they can use that for the majority of the preseason and roughly 4 - 6 weeks into the regular season.

Then, you're going to need to start adding more pro style schemes to get him over the plateau as defenses start to catch on. We saw this in Buffalo with Josh Allen. It took Josh until year three to really elevate himself in the passing game but his ability to run was more commonly at display his first two years.

This is something they limited severely this year as a staff with Lawrence. He likes to run. He's an athlete and he likes being on the move. Something fairly common now with most of today's top QBs. Had they just let this kid do some more of those things earlier on like they did in the Bengals, Dolphins and Falcons game it may have been more productive.

When you factor in Robinson being mismanaged it also showed a clear lack of understanding from this coaching staff. This was a perfect pairing on paper. A QB who can run. A dynamic RB that has some wiggle and versatility. They handcuffed both of them. Told them to go out there and make it happen with no speed on the outside to throw it around to.

Frustrating. The NFL is all about strengths and match up's. The tacks don't hide their identity. You know what you're getting when you play them and they line up every Sunday and say "Yeah. You can see our hand. What the [BLEEP] are you going to do about it though?". The Patriots are the same way. The Chargers. The Chiefs. The Packers.

We need a staff like that here. This is who we are, this is what we do, and, we're going to do it until you stop it. If you stop it? Great. We'll make adjustments and get you back peddaling on your tippy toes. That's how they played in 2017 with Coughlin in the building.

Defense got after it. Fournette ran it heavily. Bortles wasn't asked to drop back and throw it 40 times a game too much that year to win it. Sometimes keeping it simple leads to success.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I still find it hard to tell how much of him struggling is truly him, how much is the surrounding talent, how much of it is the coaching, etc...  Most would agree his big issue is consistency with accuracy.  He'll have one drive where every throw you need to hit a guy on the move is right on the money.  And the next drive he'll have a poorly thrown ball that essentially kills a drive.  Since there is no big play ability and every scoring drive seems to require us methodically moving down the field, every single throw has to be right on the money because one missed 2nd and 10 pass is basically a drive killer.  Whereas you'll see other QBs miss a similar throw but their offense is able to overcome it on 3rd and long.  While our offense is seemingly incapable.  His margin of error is much smaller and I think that exacerbates the issue.

The real bummer of it all is he was really progressing until we hit the bye.  After the Dolphins game, he seemed clearly better than the rest of the rookie QBs.  But ever since then it's been a disaster.  Just recently I came across a video of his highlights through the first 6 weeks of the season and I don't recall any passes the last two months as good as what was on that video.  Obviously we have no one capable of replicating that deep Chark TD.  But some of those throws to the corner of endzones.  Hitting guys on deep corner routes.  Bullets down the seam.  These passes just don't exist anymore in our arsenal.  But he was routinely hitting them before.  Obviously his confidence looks really shook.  And I think that bleeds into the accuracy.  That really awful 3rd down miss yesterday when it was still a one score came and he short hopped it.  Admittedly the way the ball came out it almost looked like he lost his grip on a wet ball.  But in addition he didnt set his feet but he looked like he should have been able to.  He often times looks rushed in his delivery (if pressure or not), doesnt look comfortable, and the mechanics seem to be fading. 

I really want this season to end asap just to get it over with and to avoid any kind of injury that would set back his development in the offseason.  But on the otherhand I also want to see him have one really good game to finish the year with some confidence and something to build on.

It’s a combination of so many factors it’s truly a worst case scenario for a rookie QB.

Average to below average line. Horrific coaching. Bad game planning. No playmakers. WRs who have depth issues and lack separation skills. SO MANY DROPS. Coaches refusal to keep good skill players on the field (JRob). 

Add it all up and it’s a recipe for poor performances by a rookie QB. Now he’s not without his own faults. He does have accuracy issues at times. He’s still working on processing plays at a quick NFL level. 

I think next season will be a tremendous turnaround for Lawrence and the offense. Heavy in FA and the draft for talent.

This.

Gotta love the "forward thinking" fans (cough, two of the idiots in this thread) who have already declared him a bust. I guess bad rookie years aren't "allowed" anymore. At least one of these trolls admitted they are here for a player, not a team, so his opinion can go back up his posterior where it belongs.

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The big problem is it’s trending in the wrong direction. The high point was the game against the Bengals.

What was so different about the Bengals game was that he ran the ball a lot. He converted 3 or 4 first downs and a TD with those RPOs. They don't always have to be RPOs, but having more freedom to use his legs would make a significant difference.

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It’s a combination of so many factors it’s truly a worst case scenario for a rookie QB.

Average to below average line. Horrific coaching. Bad game planning. No playmakers. WRs who have depth issues and lack separation skills. SO MANY DROPS. Coaches refusal to keep good skill players on the field (JRob). 

Add it all up and it’s a recipe for poor performances by a rookie QB. Now he’s not without his own faults. He does have accuracy issues at times. He’s still working on processing plays at a quick NFL level. 

I think next season will be a tremendous turnaround for Lawrence and the offense. Heavy in FA and the draft for talent.

This.

Gotta love the "forward thinking" fans (cough, two of the idiots in this thread) who have already declared him a bust. I guess bad rookie years aren't "allowed" anymore. At least one of these trolls admitted they are here for a player, not a team, so his opinion can go back up his posterior where it belongs.

He won't even admit who the player is because he knows he will get crushed for it.

Soft.

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There is no reason to bench Trevor. Stop with all that nonsense.

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There is no reason to bench Trevor. Stop with all that nonsense.

Might as well bench the whole team.  He's not doing any worse than anyone else.

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