Just to play Devils advocate:

What if they put in Beathard and he throws for a couple of TD's a game and worse wins the remaining games.  We lose drat stock and then have to wonder if Lawrence is a bigger issue then we thought.

It's a no win situation.  Lawrence is stinking it up enough to we are almost guaranteed to lose the remaining games.  Give him more experience and lets hope we can find a QB guru to help him in the off season.  Lawrence footwork has fallen apart that is leading to his accuracy struggles.  He rightfully so has lost trust with the line and he is also rushing some throws.

Fix the line, Find an offensive coach that can cater to Lawrence, Lots of hard work in the off season, find some receivers, then hope for the best.

In the words of Vic Ketchman, "I wouldn't worry about that."

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Bullseye:

Think about some of the best QBs in the league now and in recent years...Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees.

These guys all rode the bench for most of their rookie years because better coaches than UM felt these guys weren't ready to play initially. 

I think a big part of each decision was also that each team had an establish veteran starter that was performing well (Bledsoe, Favre, Smith and Flutie), or well enough that the coach felt comfortable enough to let their prospect sit.

Also, darft position is a slight factor. Mahomes is the highest selected of the four, and he went 12, I think? A lot less pressure to start players immediately in that position.

I don't disagree with much of what you stated, but there were definitely other reasons these guys were still sitting besides preference to develop off the field.

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Man, the excuse making.  He's not a superstar.  He's a bust.  It happens.

Riddle me this:  If he's not a bust and it's everyone else's fault then how's he get any better?  You can only roll over about 20% of a starting lineup in year, so that's at least three years until he's got the talent that you can't blame anymore.  If he were great then he would be shooting the lights out and the team still losing.  But he's not.  He can't read defenses.  He can't make adjustments.  He checks down poorly.  His footwork is lame.  Elevating the QB coach who was supposed to be teaching him game is not the answer.  The shot caller should not be the guy who failed to improve TL one iota this year.

Anyways, I'm here cheering for one player and TL's success or failure won't affect his personal success, which is going fine.  I would like to see a better QB, though, so that he could enjoy some team success.

(Emphasis added)

I have largely avoided this thread, because no matter the circumstances, the impatience never changes.  It's exhausting, especially given the abundance of NFL history from which to draw.

Franchise QBs are often not microwaveable products.  They need adequate time, adequate coaching, and adequate surrounding talent.
 


Think about some of the best QBs in the league now and in recent years...Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees.

These guys all rode the bench for most of their rookie years because better coaches than UM felt these guys weren't ready to play initially.  When Brees finally got the chance to play, it took him a while to be competent.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...eeDr00.htm

Buffalo's Josh Allen had the reputation of being inaccurate coming out of Wyoming.  His first two seasons, he didn't break a 60% completion rate.  But by his third year, Buffalo was confident they were right in their evaluations and they had a franchise signal caller.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...tm#passing

So the question is, if none of these guys were any good their rookie years, how did THEY get better?

For starters, they weren't dismissed as busts after their rookie seasons for the most part.  They were given adequate time to develop.

Besides time, coaching plays a huge role in the development of QBs.

Troy Aikman struggled his first two years in the league under offensive coordinator Mike Shula.  But in year three, the coaboys fired Shula and hired Norv Turner to be Dallas' offensive coordinator.  The Dallas offense began to flourish, and wound up going to the playoffs in his first year (Aikman's 3rd year) as OC, and won the Super Bowl the next season.

Steve Yong was not a great QB when he first came into the NFL.  Even though he had pro experience from his time in the USFL, he did not achieve success in the NFL when he was with Tampa.  Tampa gave up on him after a couple of seasons and traded him to the 49ers, coached by Bill Walsh, who had Mike Holmgren on his staff.  Eventually, Young got his chance to play and he wound up winning several MVP awards, won a Super Bowl MVP, and wound up in the Hall of Fame.

Brett Favre did nothing much his first year under Jerry Glanville in Atlanta.  Glanville did not run a very disciplined program.  After his rookie season, Glanville traded Favre to the Packers, coached by Mike Holmgren-the same one on Bill Walsh's 49ers staff that coached Joe Montana and Steve Young.  With Holmgren's guidance, Favre went on to have a Hall of Fame career.

Without the proper coaching to develop their talents, none of these guys would have had the careers they had.

Finally, QBs need adequate surrounding talent to succeed.

Aikman was drafted first overall in 1989 by a Dallas team that finished 3-13 in 1988.  Aikman finished 0-11 his rookie year on a team that went 1-15.  But in the aftermath of the Herschel Walker and Steve Walsh trades, Dallas added the likes of Emmitt Smith, Jay Novacek, Alvin Harper, Erik Williams, Larry Allen, got guys like Michael Irvin healthy, developed guys like Nate Newton and Mark Stepnoski, and added defensive stalwarts like Leonn Lett, Darren Woodson, Kevin Smith, Tony Tolbert, etc. and won three Super Bowls in four years.

To suggest surrounding talent does not play a role in QB success-as you do when you dismiss surrounding talent as an excuse-you essentially say there's no difference between Steve Young's mid 1980s Tampa Bay teams and his early 1990s 49ers teams featuring Jerry Rice, Brent Jones, John Taylor, Roger Craig, Ricky Watters, Harris Barton, Et al.  That's a laughable proposition to anyone who has followed football for any length of time.

There is a reason teams spend millions on scouting instead of pocketing the money and randomly selecting fans out of the stands to run routes, block, etc.  Talent matters.

In Allen's case, it took a couple of full seasons of experience, some good coaching, and adding in pieces around him lie Stephon Diggs and Knox.

It took Brees experience, good health, and getting to Sean Payton to develop into the HOF QB we saw with the Saints.

Think about the guys to whom TL was compared as a rookie QB prospect:  Elway, Manning and Luck.

Elway only had six (6) seasons where he eclipsed 20 YDs in a season, most of which did not happen until Make Shanahan became his coach in 1994 and put Elway in a WCO (11 years into his career).  His 3rd year was the first of those seasons, but even then he threw more INTs (23) than TDs (22) that year.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his first year despite having a father who was an NFL QB, a Hall of Fame caliber RB in marshall Faulk, a Hall of Fame caliber WR in marvin Harrison, and a stud LT in Tarik Glenn all in their primes.  How did HE improve?

Andrew Luck had success out of the box, but he had Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton as WRs amd a ,uch better OL than TL has now.

You dismiss a lack of experience, poor coaching, and a lack of surrounding talent as excuses, but history is replete with franchise signal callers who struggled early in their careers for those very reasons.

All you see is TL struggling and automatically assume he's a bust.  You want him to perform like the guys listed above, but won't give him the time, coaching and surrounding talent they received.

Is TL guaranteed to be great?  No.  But he's not guaranteed to be a bust either.

Let things play out.

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Hmmm......sounds like the same type of things that sunk Leftwich.  Bad mechanics and bad recievers.

Leftwich had a wind-up delivery because he actually didn't have a strong arm and had to wind up to get decent velocity. Quite different from not getting one's feet set or throwing without proper body assignment. Trevor's mechanical issues should be easily correctable because they're not about a physical deficiency like Leftwich had, they're more about getting him comfortable and focused in the off-season on making sure he's not getting lazy feet.

my memory was more that he had ample arm strength, but had spent so long doing things the way he did (and succeeding) that he was never coached out of the motion, and by the time he was a pro it was like trying to teach someone how to ride a bike with reversed steering. Muscle memory took over at any sign of duress.

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Leftwich had a wind-up delivery because he actually didn't have a strong arm and had to wind up to get decent velocity. Quite different from not getting one's feet set or throwing without proper body assignment. Trevor's mechanical issues should be easily correctable because they're not about a physical deficiency like Leftwich had, they're more about getting him comfortable and focused in the off-season on making sure he's not getting lazy feet.

my memory was more that he had ample arm strength, but had spent so long doing things the way he did (and succeeding) that he was never coached out of the motion, and by the time he was a pro it was like trying to teach someone how to ride a bike with reversed steering. Muscle memory took over at any sign of duress.

The way I recall it, when he didn't need to throw hard he didn't need to wind up. It was just when he needed to throw something like a deep out. That's why he wasn't good even though he seemed to understand the offense and could get decent velocity on the ball sometimes, his windup let DBs know it was coming sooner.

Of course the worst part about Leftwich was that him being here caused the team to pass on Roethlisberger.

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Bullseye:

Think about some of the best QBs in the league now and in recent years...Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees.

These guys all rode the bench for most of their rookie years because better coaches than UM felt these guys weren't ready to play initially. 

I think a big part of each decision was also that each team had an establish veteran starter that was performing well (Bledsoe, Favre, Smith and Flutie), or well enough that the coach felt comfortable enough to let their prospect sit.

Also, darft position is a slight factor. Mahomes is the highest selected of the four, and he went 12, I think? A lot less pressure to start players immediately in that position.

I don't disagree with much of what you stated, but there were definitely other reasons these guys were still sitting besides preference to develop off the field.

Agreed that the veteran presence at QB played a huge role in these guys sitting early (though Flutie was by no means a long term answer for the Chargers).  But I think that is a credit to those teams to have the veterans in place to bring the new signal callers around at a more moderate pace.

I also agree there is less pressure to start a lower draft pick than it is a higher one.  The vets you listed above also serves to mitigate the pressure to start those guys.  But QBs taken in the first round-even mid to late first round, typically are pressured to start early.  A 6th rounder like Brady?  not so much.  But pressure or no, NFL coaches are going to start the guy they think will give them the best chance to win.  In each of those instances, for whatever reason, those coaches did not think the rookies were ready to start.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

He won't even admit who the player is because he knows he will get crushed for it.

Soft.

Crush me?  I think about your moron opinions less than I think about the mystery of gravity.  What I am worried about is what you vindictive bedwetters would do on social media to a player as you cackle over keyboards surrounded by Pepsi cans and pizza boxes.

Also, I am correct.  TL needs better coaching.  And a rest.  He's well on his way to losing all chance at success.  Pull him back and let him reset.

First you straight up declared he's a bust but now you think he has a chance. Wishy washy poster is wishy washy

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(Emphasis added)

I have largely avoided this thread, because no matter the circumstances, the impatience never changes.  It's exhausting, especially given the abundance of NFL history from which to draw.

Franchise QBs are often not microwaveable products.  They need adequate time, adequate coaching, and adequate surrounding talent.
 


Think about some of the best QBs in the league now and in recent years...Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees.

These guys all rode the bench for most of their rookie years because better coaches than UM felt these guys weren't ready to play initially.  When Brees finally got the chance to play, it took him a while to be competent.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...eeDr00.htm

Buffalo's Josh Allen had the reputation of being inaccurate coming out of Wyoming.  His first two seasons, he didn't break a 60% completion rate.  But by his third year, Buffalo was confident they were right in their evaluations and they had a franchise signal caller.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...tm#passing

So the question is, if none of these guys were any good their rookie years, how did THEY get better?

For starters, they weren't dismissed as busts after their rookie seasons for the most part.  They were given adequate time to develop.

Besides time, coaching plays a huge role in the development of QBs.

Troy Aikman struggled his first two years in the league under offensive coordinator Mike Shula.  But in year three, the coaboys fired Shula and hired Norv Turner to be Dallas' offensive coordinator.  The Dallas offense began to flourish, and wound up going to the playoffs in his first year (Aikman's 3rd year) as OC, and won the Super Bowl the next season.

Steve Yong was not a great QB when he first came into the NFL.  Even though he had pro experience from his time in the USFL, he did not achieve success in the NFL when he was with Tampa.  Tampa gave up on him after a couple of seasons and traded him to the 49ers, coached by Bill Walsh, who had Mike Holmgren on his staff.  Eventually, Young got his chance to play and he wound up winning several MVP awards, won a Super Bowl MVP, and wound up in the Hall of Fame.

Brett Favre did nothing much his first year under Jerry Glanville in Atlanta.  Glanville did not run a very disciplined program.  After his rookie season, Glanville traded Favre to the Packers, coached by Mike Holmgren-the same one on Bill Walsh's 49ers staff that coached Joe Montana and Steve Young.  With Holmgren's guidance, Favre went on to have a Hall of Fame career.

Without the proper coaching to develop their talents, none of these guys would have had the careers they had.

Finally, QBs need adequate surrounding talent to succeed.

Aikman was drafted first overall in 1989 by a Dallas team that finished 3-13 in 1988.  Aikman finished 0-11 his rookie year on a team that went 1-15.  But in the aftermath of the Herschel Walker and Steve Walsh trades, Dallas added the likes of Emmitt Smith, Jay Novacek, Alvin Harper, Erik Williams, Larry Allen, got guys like Michael Irvin healthy, developed guys like Nate Newton and Mark Stepnoski, and added defensive stalwarts like Leonn Lett, Darren Woodson, Kevin Smith, Tony Tolbert, etc. and won three Super Bowls in four years.

To suggest surrounding talent does not play a role in QB success-as you do when you dismiss surrounding talent as an excuse-you essentially say there's no difference between Steve Young's mid 1980s Tampa Bay teams and his early 1990s 49ers teams featuring Jerry Rice, Brent Jones, John Taylor, Roger Craig, Ricky Watters, Harris Barton, Et al.  That's a laughable proposition to anyone who has followed football for any length of time.

There is a reason teams spend millions on scouting instead of pocketing the money and randomly selecting fans out of the stands to run routes, block, etc.  Talent matters.

In Allen's case, it took a couple of full seasons of experience, some good coaching, and adding in pieces around him lie Stephon Diggs and Knox.

It took Brees experience, good health, and getting to Sean Payton to develop into the HOF QB we saw with the Saints.

Think about the guys to whom TL was compared as a rookie QB prospect:  Elway, Manning and Luck.

Elway only had six (6) seasons where he eclipsed 20 YDs in a season, most of which did not happen until Make Shanahan became his coach in 1994 and put Elway in a WCO (11 years into his career).  His 3rd year was the first of those seasons, but even then he threw more INTs (23) than TDs (22) that year.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his first year despite having a father who was an NFL QB, a Hall of Fame caliber RB in marshall Faulk, a Hall of Fame caliber WR in marvin Harrison, and a stud LT in Tarik Glenn all in their primes.  How did HE improve?

Andrew Luck had success out of the box, but he had Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton as WRs amd a ,uch better OL than TL has now.

You dismiss a lack of experience, poor coaching, and a lack of surrounding talent as excuses, but history is replete with franchise signal callers who struggled early in their careers for those very reasons.

All you see is TL struggling and automatically assume he's a bust.  You want him to perform like the guys listed above, but won't give him the time, coaching and surrounding talent they received.

Is TL guaranteed to be great?  No.  But he's not guaranteed to be a bust either.

Let things play out.

I nominate the above post for Post of the Year.

Indeed. It shows why the the poster(s) who are tripping over themselves with glee to be the "smartest in the room" and already make a one and done judgement call on Trevor are truly deluded.

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I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

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I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

He's not sniffing the territory.  You're just impatient.  I've seen throws this season that no Jags QB prior could make.  He's got everything it takes to be great.

I know that you desperately want the approval of strangers on the internet for some reason from calling it first, but you need to chill.

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I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

Happy Holidaze, everyone

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When TL throws another dead [BLEEP] stinker this weekend what will the excuse be? What's the preferred plan? Play him until he's so [BLEEP] awful and unsalvageable that he can't even get a job as a backup? Or will you finally agree with me that it is time to bench him, let him reset and get him a new frickin' QB coach, who cares what the coach costs?

By the way, anyone willing to admit I was also right about the key to Robinson getting more yards? TL getting some game. Robinson carried every single RB ball last weekend and still only got 75 yards. Until the passing game is respected the running game will be worthless. Offense requires balance. TL not doing his part.

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When TL throws another dead [BLEEP] stinker this weekend what will the excuse be?  What's the preferred plan?  Play him until he's so [BLEEP] awful and unsalvageable that he can't even get a job as a backup?  Or will you finally agree with me that it is time to bench him, let him reset and get him a new frickin' QB coach, who cares what the coach costs?

By the way, anyone willing to admit I was also right about the key to Robinson getting more yards?  TL getting some game.  Robinson carried every single RB ball last weekend and still only got 75 yards.  Until the passing game is respected the running game will be worthless.  Offense requires balance.  TL not doing his part.

Robinson has tallied 3 injuries now, numbnuts. 
Anybody with a brain can see he's not 100%.  The line is also missing starters that run-block better than their back-ups. 
Your idiotic, backwards correlation between the run and pass is still as stupid as it was when you first secreted it from your buttocks months ago. 

A rookie QB  struggling with craptastic protection and no receiving threats is such a ridiculously simple thing to understand, but you'd rather tie yourself into a pretzel making it all the rookies fault. Have fun with that.

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I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

He's not sniffing the territory.  You're just impatient.  I've seen throws this season that no Jags QB prior could make.  He's got everything it takes to be great.

I know that you desperately want the approval of strangers on the internet for some reason from calling it first, but you need to chill.

For every 1 good throw he has 3 bad ones. He was praised as a new upcoming stud QB and has not lived up to any of that.

I dung care for anyone's approval here. I state my truths and you either like them or you don't. I have had many unpopular opinions over the years but most of them have been right.

Maybe you should chill with the teal kool-aid.

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I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

He's not sniffing the territory.

Now I do not assert there is nothing to worry about.

But the overwhelming bulk of the worry is organizational.

Can this team put the pieces in place around him-surrounding talent and coaching-for TL to be successful?

That's the primary issue.

He has bouts of inaccuracy.  That can be alleviated with coaching and better protection.  But he also has throws demonstrating amazing accuracy-i.e. the TD to Marvin Jones against Miami.

His lack of production overall is related to inadequacies around him.  Get him better players he will be more productive.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

He's not sniffing the territory.

Now I do not assert there is nothing to worry about.

But the overwhelming bulk of the worry is organizational.

Can this team put the pieces in place around him-surrounding talent and coaching-for TL to be successful?

That's the primary issue.

He has bouts of inaccuracy.  That can be alleviated with coaching and better protection.  But he also has throws demonstrating amazing accuracy-i.e. the TD to Marvin Jones against Miami.

His lack of production overall is related to inadequacies around him.  Get him better players he will be more productive.

I hope you are correct but that has to be proven. I haven't seen many consistency or signs he is the future. 

I see a smart kid who has a big arm and tough. Sometimes that's not enough.  I already stated he gets a mulligan for this year but that does not dismiss his poor play.  It's not all coaching and supporting cast, he has made too many easy mistakes as well. 

Right now I am 50/50 on Lawrence with next year being a crucial one.  Sooner or later all these excuses for him are going to grow tired.  

0 proof right now he is an elite QB but plenty of evidence he may not be.

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When TL throws another dead [BLEEP] stinker this weekend what will the excuse be?  What's the preferred plan?  Play him until he's so [BLEEP] awful and unsalvageable that he can't even get a job as a backup?  Or will you finally agree with me that it is time to bench him, let him reset and get him a new frickin' QB coach, who cares what the coach costs?

By the way, anyone willing to admit I was also right about the key to Robinson getting more yards?  TL getting some game.  Robinson carried every single RB ball last weekend and still only got 75 yards.  Until the passing game is respected the running game will be worthless.  Offense requires balance.  TL not doing his part.

So given my response to you earlier, where I assert QBs need adequate time, adequate surrounding talent and adequate coaching to develop into stars, I'm curious to know what changed in the intervening day or so to change the analysis?

Has Trevor Lawrence had any more time? 

Maybe a day or two...but he's still in his rookie season.

Has Trevor Lawrence gotten any better talent around him?  No.

His best WR has been out since about week 5 or so.  His best TE (acquired circa week 3), has missed the last 4-5 games with an injury.  His best RB has been injured and inexplicably benched by a coach that never liked him and is no longer here.  The RB drafted to provide speed and receiving ability has missed the entire season.  His remaining WRs are slow and inconsistent (Shenault), slow and old (Marvin Jones), former first round busts (Treadwell/Auston) and a street free agent (Mickens).  His offensive line has been a sieve, especially from RT.

What.?  Was there a sudeen infusion of speed and ability at WR that I somehow missed this week?  Did Santa suddenly place competent pass protection under the tree and allowed us to open the gifts early?

Has Trevor Lawrence received any better coaching since the beginning of the year?

No.

UM got fired last week.  The same scheme is still in place, run by the same coaches-minus Meyer.

None of those things are going to change until next year at the earliest.

Your opening question is patently silly and reeks of impatience.

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He's not sniffing the territory.

Now I do not assert there is nothing to worry about.

But the overwhelming bulk of the worry is organizational.

Can this team put the pieces in place around him-surrounding talent and coaching-for TL to be successful?

That's the primary issue.

He has bouts of inaccuracy.  That can be alleviated with coaching and better protection.  But he also has throws demonstrating amazing accuracy-i.e. the TD to Marvin Jones against Miami.

His lack of production overall is related to inadequacies around him.  Get him better players he will be more productive.

I hope you are correct but that has to be proven. I haven't seen many consistency or signs he is the future. 

I see a smart kid who has a big arm and tough. Sometimes that's not enough.  I already stated he gets a mulligan for this year but that does not dismiss his poor play.  It's not all coaching and supporting cast, he has made too many easy mistakes as well. 

Right now I am 50/50 on Lawrence with next year being a crucial one.  Sooner or later all these excuses for him are going to grow tired.  

0 proof right now he is an elite QB but plenty of evidence he may not be.

(emphasis added)

What "easy" mistakes are you referencing? 

I'm not saying he hasn't made any, because he has.  But that's to be expected of a rookie QB.

But I want to know what mistakes you are referencing, and more precisely, how do you know they are in no way attributable to surrounding talent?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I don't think anyone is declaring Lawrence a bust just yet but he is sniffing the territory.

Anyone who says he will be good and believe there is nothing to worry about are about as deluded as the ones already saying he is a bust.

He has some tools and he has manor concerns. I don't think anyone can say he is a stud or bust for certain. So far it's looking bad.

No he’s not hahaha

It’s the holidays so ima be nice but come on man.RELAX.

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He is going to be fine. He’s been placed into the perfect crap storm of how to take a rookie qb and do everything wrong with him, but is showing maturity beyond his years. He needs better coaching, o line play and competent receivers, but who wouldn’t. It seems like some of y’all are rooting for him to fail. Weird and miserable at the same time. 

If the Jags get an experienced coach who can adapt the game plan around Trevor’s strengths and a get some linemen and a few guys who can 1. Get open and 2. Catch the ball, you will see good results.

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When TL throws another dead [BLEEP] stinker this weekend what will the excuse be?  What's the preferred plan?  Play him until he's so [BLEEP] awful and unsalvageable that he can't even get a job as a backup?  Or will you finally agree with me that it is time to bench him, let him reset and get him a new frickin' QB coach, who cares what the coach costs?

By the way, anyone willing to admit I was also right about the key to Robinson getting more yards?  TL getting some game.  Robinson carried every single RB ball last weekend and still only got 75 yards.  Until the passing game is respected the running game will be worthless.  Offense requires balance.  TL not doing his part.

So given my response to you earlier, where I assert QBs need adequate time, adequate surrounding talent and adequate coaching to develop into stars, I'm curious to know what changed in the intervening day or so to change the analysis?

Has Trevor Lawrence had any more time? 

Maybe a day or two...but he's still in his rookie season.

Has Trevor Lawrence gotten any better talent around him?  No.

His best WR has been out since about week 5 or so.  His best TE (acquired circa week 3), has missed the last 4-5 games with an injury.  His best RB has been injured and inexplicably benched by a coach that never liked him and is no longer here.  The RB drafted to provide speed and receiving ability has missed the entire season.  His remaining WRs are slow and inconsistent (Shenault), slow and old (Marvin Jones), former first round busts (Treadwell/Auston) and a street free agent (Mickens).  His offensive line has been a sieve, especially from RT.

What.?  Was there a sudeen infusion of speed and ability at WR that I somehow missed this week?  Did Santa suddenly place competent pass protection under the tree and allowed us to open the gifts early?

Has Trevor Lawrence received any better coaching since the beginning of the year?

No.

UM got fired last week.  The same scheme is still in place, run by the same coaches-minus Meyer.

None of those things are going to change until next year at the earliest.

Your opening question is patently silly and reeks of impatience.

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I hope you are correct but that has to be proven. I haven't seen many consistency or signs he is the future. 

I see a smart kid who has a big arm and tough. Sometimes that's not enough.  I already stated he gets a mulligan for this year but that does not dismiss his poor play.  It's not all coaching and supporting cast, he has made too many easy mistakes as well. 

Right now I am 50/50 on Lawrence with next year being a crucial one.  Sooner or later all these excuses for him are going to grow tired.  

0 proof right now he is an elite QB but plenty of evidence he may not be.

(emphasis added)

What "easy" mistakes are you referencing? 

I'm not saying he hasn't made any, because he has.  But that's to be expected of a rookie QB.

But I want to know what mistakes you are referencing, and more precisely, how do you know they are in no way attributable to surrounding talent?

Every game man. I watch every snap and every game there is a handful of easy throws most Qbs should hit and Lawrence is way off the mark. Missing way too many throws under 10 yards. PFF has Lawrence ranked at the bottom of starting Qbs and I agree with it.

He is missing 5 yard throws or making receivers work way too hard on medium to short passes. Both Prisco and Boselli were on the same page on jaguar happy hour this week.

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Maybe he has good straight line speed once he gets going but he has very little wiggle and is minimum threat on RPO.

It's one of the things I was looking forward to seeing from him. Perhaps he's too tall and long limbed, but it shows even in many of his sacks.

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