There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war.

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now. Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered. In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition. They didn't plan for this. Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire.

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato. Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion.

Russia withdraws and declares victory.

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

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I read something briefly a few weeks back about that military group and their Nazi connection. I just read another piece about them and they sound like a nationalist group for sure. I am never for any group that is extremist for any reason but especially for a nation's military force. Talk about trouble we've seen before. In one of the articles I read it mentioned this short documentary released in 2017 that shows a different side to what is happening now. I have yet to watch it but skimming the comments makes me think it shows a very different picture of who/what Russia is really fighting. It's only about 14 minutes long but I have somewhere to be so will have to share and run but will watch it later today and share any thoughts I might have. I read about the Hitler Youth years ago and how they were recruited and this outfit sounds a great deal like the one back then and that is not a good thing.

Nothing about war is black and white- there is always a grey area. Whether it be from the governments in play, the militaries/militias who are doing the actual fighting, or the people caught in the middle, there is always a different perspective and unless we are personally living it we really don't know what is really going on or who is actually involved. There are too many people in power who have agendas that prevent us as foreigners from seeing the honest big picture. While I feel for and support the people of Ukraine who are caught up in this mess I am not so sure about the politics involved. Too many rabbit holes to get lost in to understand it all.

Link to the short documentary.

Again, I haven't watched this yet but I wanted to share it now so I wouldn't forget.

The youth camps are real and are creating future nazis.



Looks like the reddit weekend warriors and for free mercenaries got destroyed by Russia in the last few days. One of the bases on the west side of Ukraine got destroyed from the air. Reddit users were "training" there, posting selfies, etc and Russia blew it up. Some stories from more experienced people show that they had no clue what it was like to fight an actual enemy and not some ragtag group of people with some weapons. The US, British, etc haven't been on the other side of fighting where they don't have air support and are the ones with a technological and gear disadvantage.

Saw a video and some other stuff about Ukraine trying to force them to sign indefinite contracts, sending them to the front to die with no gear, and then threatening to shoot them when they refused. One guy claims they were ripping up passports and sending them back.

Some of that is propaganda but most of these people that are still alive are finding out that they have been lied too by MSM and are lucky to be alive as a lot were killed.

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You're really good at floating theories with absolutely no proof whatsoever. This triggers my morbid curiosity to ask a couple of other questions:

Did the U.S. government orchestrate and execute the September 11th attacks?
Did man really walk on the moon?

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There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war. 

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now.  Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered.  In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition.  They didn't plan for this.  Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire. 

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato.  Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion. 

Russia withdraws and declares victory. 

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

This is exactly the scenario I predict, as well. Putin is currently pushing for Ukraine to completely dismantle their armed forces in order for Russian forces to withdraw, which will never happen. He's bluffing for position because he realizes what he's waded into.  

I'm curious as to how Ukraine will deal with the regions that were pro-Russian. These areas will always be a bone of contention and will perpetually give Russia a sympathetic inroad to Ukraine.

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If you interpret this scenario based on what's Putin has been telling the press for the last several years, it would be obvious that his goal was to destroy Ukraine if he couldn't easily take it. He doesn't want the west to have easy access to Russia. He believes the US is using Ukraine as a tool to contain Russia. I think he would prefer to annex Ukraine but destroying its infrastructure and forcing the West to dump massive amounts of money in a rebuild is a fine alternative for him.

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If you interpret this scenario based on what's Putin has been telling the press for the last several years, it would be obvious that his goal was to destroy Ukraine if he couldn't easily take it. He doesn't want the west to have easy access to Russia. He believes the US is using Ukraine as a tool to contain Russia. I think he would prefer to annex Ukraine but destroying its infrastructure and forcing the West to dump massive amounts of money in a rebuild is a fine alternative for him.

Putin isn't wrong. The straw that broke the camel's back was the increasingly frequent talk of NATO membership. However, this invasion was more beneficial to the west than Ukraine joining NATO in that it exposed Russia's conventional forces as a paper tiger. If they were to ever engage NATO or the U.S., they would be roundly and quickly defeated. Not to mention that a Ukraine rebuilt by the west will be as strong an ally as a NATO member, with conditions which address Ukraine's corruption, hopefully.

Then there's the question of how the Russian public will process this war in the coming years. Putin's oligarchy has laid bare how the corruption has undermined military readiness and personal freedoms. Putin overplayed his hand and now Russia will pay for the next decade. He's always had enemies on every side, but now he's provided impetus for enemies within to eliminate him.

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The youth camps are real and are creating future nazis.



Looks like the reddit weekend warriors and for free mercenaries got destroyed by Russia in the last few days. One of the bases on the west side of Ukraine got destroyed from the air. Reddit users were "training" there, posting selfies, etc and Russia blew it up. Some stories from more experienced people show that they had no clue what it was like to fight an actual enemy and not some ragtag group of people with some weapons. The US, British, etc haven't been on the other side of fighting where they don't have air support and are the ones with a technological and gear disadvantage.

Saw a video and some other stuff about Ukraine trying to force them to sign indefinite contracts, sending them to the front to die with no gear, and then threatening to shoot them when they refused. One guy claims they were ripping up passports and sending them back.

Some of that is propaganda but most of these people that are still alive are finding out that they have been lied too by MSM and are lucky to be alive as a lot were killed.

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You're really good at floating theories with absolutely no proof whatsoever. This triggers my morbid curiosity to ask a couple of other questions:

Did the U.S. government orchestrate and execute the September 11th attacks?
Did man really walk on the moon?

Just search for it. The reddit stuff is on reddit, twitter, youtube, etc. There are videos of the bombing and pictures of the aftermath. The video of the guy talking about trying to leave is also everywhere. The indefinite contract stuff was on more mainstream sources.

The main issue with posting it is you can't guarantee it is true and the places that have it don't always verify everything. So just look it up if you are interested and decide what is propaganda, made up, or truthful.

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You're really good at floating theories with absolutely no proof whatsoever. This triggers my morbid curiosity to ask a couple of other questions:

Did the U.S. government orchestrate and execute the September 11th attacks?
Did man really walk on the moon?

Just search for it. The reddit stuff is on reddit, twitter, youtube, etc. There are videos of the bombing and pictures of the aftermath. The video of the guy talking about trying to leave is also everywhere. The indefinite contract stuff was on more mainstream sources.

The main issue with posting it is you can't guarantee it is true and the places that have it don't always verify everything. So just look it up if you are interested and decide what is propaganda, made up, or truthful.

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Hmmm...

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There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war. 

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now.  Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered.  In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition.  They didn't plan for this.  Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire. 

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato.  Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion. 

Russia withdraws and declares victory. 

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

It's going to be hard to make a lasting peace unless Ukraine accepts the loss of Crimea and possibly other connecting territory as well.  Russia should have offered to basically buy those territories a long time ago, a lot less people would have died.  It's a lot harder for Ukraine to accept it now.  It would seem to normalize getting territory by violence.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war. 

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now.  Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered.  In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition.  They didn't plan for this.  Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire. 

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato.  Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion. 

Russia withdraws and declares victory. 

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

It's going to be hard to make a lasting peace unless Ukraine accepts the loss of Crimea and possibly other connecting territory as well.  Russia should have offered to basically buy those territories a long time ago, a lot less people would have died.  It's a lot harder for Ukraine to accept it now.  It would seem to normalize getting territory by violence.

Ukraine says they will not join Nato, Russia declares victory and gets out, and we go back to the status quo ante.  

The alternative is much much worse.  For both sides.

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There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war. 

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now.  Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered.  In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition.  They didn't plan for this.  Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire. 

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato.  Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion. 

Russia withdraws and declares victory. 

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

It's going to be hard to make a lasting peace unless Ukraine accepts the loss of Crimea and possibly other connecting territory as well.  Russia should have offered to basically buy those territories a long time ago, a lot less people would have died.  It's a lot harder for Ukraine to accept it now.  It would seem to normalize getting territory by violence.

They'll have no choice but to accept the loss for now. Perhaps sometime in the future when Ukraine rebuilds into a position of strength can it deal with Russia for Crimea. However, that's so far down the road right now it's unthinkable.

Apart from the war rebuild, Ukraine has a lot of internal changes that must be made before it can become truly westernized and prosperous. It still operates in the shadows of the old Soviet/Russian system. 

'Stalin-esque' attitudes hold back engineering powerhouse Ukraine, says American aerospace student in Kyiv | Space

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Russia and Ukraine both want perpetual access to Ukraine's reserves of coal (mostly in Donbass, under Russian control) and iron (mostly due north of Crimea, currently under Ukrainian control).
This is similar to the backstory of both world wars. Alsace Lorraine had coal and the Saarland had iron. These territories changed hands between Germany and France multiple times until Germany and France signed a treaty in 1951 to economically share them. They had to agree to keeping their borders open to trade in those goods and agree to keep their currency exchange rates relatively stable. These are the things Ukraine and Russia should be doing, and Ukraine joining the EU does the opposite. But Ukraine's stance is understandable. Russia is a corrupt dictatorship, while the EU upholds democratic rule and fair play. Russia needs to reform itself to be the kind of trade partner that would be attractive to Ukraine.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Russia and Ukraine both want perpetual access to Ukraine's reserves of coal (mostly in Donbass, under Russian control) and iron (mostly due north of Crimea, currently under Ukrainian control).
This is similar to the backstory of both world wars.  Alsace Lorraine had coal and the Saarland had iron.  These territories changed hands between Germany and France multiple times until Germany and France signed a treaty in 1951 to economically share them.  They had to agree to keeping their borders open to trade in those goods and agree to keep their currency exchange rates relatively stable.  These are the things Ukraine and Russia should be doing, and Ukraine joining the EU does the opposite.  But Ukraine's stance is understandable.  Russia is a corrupt dictatorship, while the EU upholds democratic rule and fair play.  Russia needs to reform itself to be the kind of trade partner that would be attractive to Ukraine.

Russian reform will happen eventually, but not until the old Soviet guard ages out.

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Russia and Ukraine both want perpetual access to Ukraine's reserves of coal (mostly in Donbass, under Russian control) and iron (mostly due north of Crimea, currently under Ukrainian control).
This is similar to the backstory of both world wars.  Alsace Lorraine had coal and the Saarland had iron.  These territories changed hands between Germany and France multiple times until Germany and France signed a treaty in 1951 to economically share them.  They had to agree to keeping their borders open to trade in those goods and agree to keep their currency exchange rates relatively stable.  These are the things Ukraine and Russia should be doing, and Ukraine joining the EU does the opposite.  But Ukraine's stance is understandable.  Russia is a corrupt dictatorship, while the EU upholds democratic rule and fair play.  Russia needs to reform itself to be the kind of trade partner that would be attractive to Ukraine.

Ukraine also holds large reserves of lithium.

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Russia and Ukraine both want perpetual access to Ukraine's reserves of coal (mostly in Donbass, under Russian control) and iron (mostly due north of Crimea, currently under Ukrainian control).
This is similar to the backstory of both world wars.  Alsace Lorraine had coal and the Saarland had iron.  These territories changed hands between Germany and France multiple times until Germany and France signed a treaty in 1951 to economically share them.  They had to agree to keeping their borders open to trade in those goods and agree to keep their currency exchange rates relatively stable.  These are the things Ukraine and Russia should be doing, and Ukraine joining the EU does the opposite.  But Ukraine's stance is understandable.  Russia is a corrupt dictatorship, while the EU upholds democratic rule and fair play.  Russia needs to reform itself to be the kind of trade partner that would be attractive to Ukraine.

That is somewhat true but you are missing the Ukraine corruption.

Crimea is basically left alone now. While Russia has in the past controlled everything, you should really look into how Russia is now. The local oligarchs have much more control now. It's not as centralized as it once was and people even have spoken out against Putin and the war. They are still alive and not rotting in a cell in snow.

As much as you don't want to admit it, parts of Ukraine are worse than Russia with the corruption, treatment of people that are different, etc. Neither of the countries are free democratic countries, no matter what they say about elections. Ethnic violence or nationalism, disappearances and exiling of opposition, closing of companies and media for voicing a non-approved message, and more have all happened in Ukraine in the last few years.

That doesn't even begin to touch on the level of corruption that exists there. Just start looking into the human trafficking that exists there and all the orphans, baby mills for Chinese, and babies that disappear and are claimed to be dead.

The elites are pushing this Ukraine is a great democratic country that needs protection from the big bad Russia because the elites have been involved in all the corruption. Come clean and show both the countries are corrupt and bad. Then we can talk about a solution that keeps the people from suffering at the hands of the corruption of both leaders.

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There's a growing possibility of a compromise that will end this war. 

Both sides are feeling an enormous amount of pain right now.  Russia because of the sanctions, and Ukraine because their cities are being shelled into rubble and their citizens mass murdered.  In addition, there are some reports that if the war goes on much longer, Russia will have a severe supply shortage, even including ammunition.  They didn't plan for this.  Also, Putin has to be coming to the realization that he has stepped into a colossal quagmire. 

Ukraine will promise to never join Nato.  Putin will declare victory because he has stopped Nato's expansion. 

Russia withdraws and declares victory. 

The West slowly eases the sanctions, while they ship arms to Ukraine so Russia will think twice before doing this again.

Yep, this makes sense.

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I'm watching Winter On Fire: Ukraine's Fight For Freedom. First off, if you haven't watched it you should. It's on Netflix. Second, Putin must not have been paying attention to this whole thing back then if he thought he could roll into Ukraine now and take it without the people fighting back. What an idiot.

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I don't see what's so hard to get about this... he is content with destroying the place. He wants to ruin the infrastructure and try to leverage them into signing a treaty that keeps them from joining NATO.

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I don't see what's so hard to get about this... he is content with destroying the place. He wants to ruin the infrastructure and try to leverage them into signing a treaty that keeps them from joining NATO.

Not true based on the actions. If he wanted the place destroyed, it would be destroyed. So far the 2 largest cities are fine except for the locations with air defenses.

Russia could have leveled everything if they wanted but that would probably bring the rest of the world into the war. They have split the army and cut off supply routes. The Azov and main army was already in the east. Then some in the port city and capital. Russia has taken or is finishing off the port, cutting supply routes from the south. The capital is encircled but not a ton of fighting yet. Then in the east the military is cut-off and getting destroyed.

The Azov and main military are not going to go away quietly but they have already lost. It's just a matter of when. They are going to run out of supplies and Russia doesn't really need to do much. I expect them to try and kill as many as possible in the east to purge Azov but I don't expect them to advance into the capital.

They have gotten full control of a war in 3 weeks to where it is over and is only waiting until they finally admit defeat. They also haven't leveled the place. For a war strategy and implementation, it is a tremendous success for Russia. This isn't the US taking Baghdad in 3 weeks or so. This is against a competent army.


Also for destroying Ukraine, they will get aid to rebuild from NATO countries. If Russia destroys more, they risk pushing Ukraine closer to them, no matter what a treaty says. Infrastructure is still up and running except for the few locations with open conflicts right now.

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I'm watching Winter On Fire: Ukraine's Fight For Freedom. First off, if you haven't watched it you should. It's on Netflix. Second, Putin must not have been paying attention to this whole thing back then if he thought he could roll into Ukraine now and take it without the people fighting back. What an idiot.

Putin knows what he is doing, he has isolated the army, cut off the ports, and can keep resupplies out. Russia has their resupply lines established back to their borders. If you think Russia was going to be ill prepared for a Ukraine war, think again as I'm sure they have been ready for years.

The base in the west that was destroyed was receiving supplies from Poland/NATO and housed the foreign fighters. That base is supposedly leveled now after the missle strike.

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I guess he really is a Russian Bot.

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