Trevor needs a true 1/ reliable target. Not saying Trevor is the answer yet, but you see guys like Josh Allen struggle then Diggs comes in and all of a sudden develops into what he is. Mahommes comes in with someone like Kelce. Herbert had someone like Keenean Allen. One thing in common with the new up and comers is a guy he can rely on. Maybe Kirk came in as the hopeful but all those guys were legit before thier QBs.

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With 2:00 on the clock and down by 6 how much confidence do you have that Trevor will put the team on his back and put it in the endzone?

I have way more faith that Trevor will lead a TD drive than I do the defense making a stop with 2 minutes left. That’s for sure.

Yup definitely.... If it was the jags defense on that last drive stopping the Giants they would have scored

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I do have faith he can do it but it’s not like he’s gonna do it every time. 

Chiefs fans have faith in Mahomes but last week, he threw a pick on the last drive. It happens.

I just want to get to the point where we expect it to happen when necessary, not hope it happens and that is my point.

Dude that's 90% of the league.... Less than a handful of teams like maybe Tom Brady and mahones can guarantee that and even then sometimes they fail

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If you guys really think trevor is the problem them you don't know football.

I know and they're literally not watching the game if they think that.... Or they're so dead set on Trevor failing they refuse to admit it

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I have way more faith that Trevor will lead a TD drive than I do the defense making a stop with 2 minutes left. That’s for sure.

Yup definitely.... If it was the jags defense on that last drive stopping the Giants they would have scored

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I just want to get to the point where we expect it to happen when necessary, not hope it happens and that is my point.

Dude that's 90% of the league.... Less than a handful of teams like maybe Tom Brady and mahones can guarantee that and even then sometimes they fail

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If you guys really think trevor is the problem them you don't know football.

I know and they're literally not watching the game if they think that.... Or they're so dead set on Trevor failing they refuse to admit it

The Bucs scored 3 points today against the Panthers.

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Yup definitely.... If it was the jags defense on that last drive stopping the Giants they would have scored

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Dude that's 90% of the league.... Less than a handful of teams like maybe Tom Brady and mahones can guarantee that and even then sometimes they fail

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I know and they're literally not watching the game if they think that.... Or they're so dead set on Trevor failing they refuse to admit it

The Bucs scored 3 points today against the Panthers.

Exactly my point

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Gotta get him somebody who is a threat to stretch the field. Zero down field/vertical threat.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/158...4929589249

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Trevor needs a true 1/ reliable target. Not saying Trevor is the answer yet, but you see guys like Josh Allen struggle then Diggs comes in and all of a sudden develops into what he is. Mahommes comes in with someone like Kelce. Herbert had someone like Keenean Allen. One thing in common with the new up and comers is a guy he can rely on. Maybe Kirk came in as the hopeful but all those guys were legit before thier QBs.

We need Demus, Johnston or Perry from next year's class.

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Gotta get him somebody who is a threat to stretch the field. Zero down field/vertical threat.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/158...4929589249

It more than just having a burner. It about having a scheme to get some open deep, blocking that hold up the protection, and all called at the right point so they aren't caught by an exotic blitz/stunt that shrinks the time in the pocket.

They have made those thing happen a few times, but just not enough.

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Gotta get him somebody who is a threat to stretch the field. Zero down field/vertical threat.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/158...4929589249

It more than just having a burner. It about having a scheme to get some open deep, blocking that hold up the protection, and all called at the right point so they aren't caught by an exotic blitz/stunt that shrinks the time in the pocket.

They have made those thing happen a few times, but just not enough.

They had Zay Jones run a natural pick play yesterday on the long pass to Kirk along the sideline. Was nicely executed. While I'll agree he does need another receiver on the outside that has that ideal height and jumping ability. It's frustrating at times to see this coaching staff, in particular, DOUG, lay off the gas pedal when something is clearly working. 

He outsmarts himself a lot. Again, TE screen, one call yesterday to Arnold, big pick up. Do it more often. Etienne, again, he put the ball on the ground early in the first half but then he proceeds to come out like a bat out of hell in the 2nd half on the opening drive. 

Somehow finishes the game with less than 15 carries. In a one score game. The one drive that really, really, really, really [BLEEP] pissed me off yesterday was when the Giants had a turnover on downs after Lloyd was denied an INT due to a blow to Daniel Jones head. Doug needed to do something there creatively to get them going, they went three and out. 

Now, as much as people wanted to [BLEEP] about the pass that Lawrence missed with Kirk on the sideline on the 3rd and obvious passing situation? The first two play calls were boring [BLEEP], easy [BLEEP] runs to read as a defense with Etienne and they were snuffed out. The focus was on Etienne there. 

Why not let Lawrence do a boot leg or QB keeper there on one of those plays? Again, why not go back to that TE screen or a RB screen? Orrrrrrrrrrr, I don't know..... maybe give James [BLEEP] Robinson a carry or a chance? There's some concern here with the whole team. However, when the team is young, and they have mid tier free agents out there? Coaching has to do more as well in situational football to help these guys out. 

Just not seeing it enough.

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Gotta get him somebody who is a threat to stretch the field. Zero down field/vertical threat.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/158...4929589249

This is where I disagree. I think vertical passing is proving to be a major weakness in TLaw's game. He gets skittish and/or overthrows targets when he needs to let a play develop. I think some of this is carry over from last year when he was getting hit way too much. He has time this year, but it's like he can't fully trust it yet. 

Truth be told, he needs to keep getting bigger and stronger, so those hits are less jarring. He has time. He's still young.

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Gotta get him somebody who is a threat to stretch the field. Zero down field/vertical threat.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/158...4929589249

This is where I disagree. I think vertical passing is proving to be a major weakness in TLaw's game. He gets skittish and/or overthrows targets when he needs to let a play develop. I think some of this is carry over from last year when he was getting hit way too much. He has time this year, but it's like he can't fully trust it yet. 

Truth be told, he needs to keep getting bigger and stronger, so those hits are less jarring. He has time. He's still young.

Having a line that can actually let him take a half dozen deep shots each week WITHOUT getting hit in the first place would be nice.

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That late int called back for a penalty was the most embarrassing pass thrown this year by all QB's so far.

I wondered if the intended target WR was the one who was held, kinda hard to get to the ball when the DB has a handful of jersey.

The designed screen was worse, imo, as the D snuffed the play and the RB was blanketed, yet the pass was still thrown there.

Dude has a serious case of jitters when the game intensity heats up.

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Why is that so many people on the board have this expectation of Trevor that he was supposed to be -- or should be right now -- a finished product?

I know the hype was lot that he was the best prospect since Luck. That was a bit much but it does mean he will be equal to Luck. I just means he has one of the easiest progression pathways to being very good since Luck compared those draft after him. Mostly because he meets the traditional metrics for what people think a QB should be. But that progressive is never easy or straight forward.

You don’t draft a project at #1

...how would you describe any of the other QB available that year at 1, or were you content rolling another year with Mike Glennon, Jake Luton, or the Shew?

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You don’t draft a project at #1

...how would you describe any of the other QB available that year at 1, or were you content rolling another year with Mike Glennon, Jake Luton, or the Shew?

As projects which is why they were NOT drafted number one overall (and even at 2 I think the jets reached on Wilson). 

All the draftniks and majority of scouts has Lawrence as a sure fire QB not a develop and see hence why he was pegged 1 overall. I’m not saying it’s necessarily fair. And I’m not calling him a bust. But it’s clear he may have been over drafted by being projected 1. Scouts miss it happens

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Right, so what you're saying is you don't understand how this works. I think we've established that. As for your answer, it's pretty clear that this team has already turned around, we just have some maturing to do. Again, that you miss that is evidence of your lack of understanding. I'll keep explaining it to you, maybe one day your light will come on.

Lmao, says the moral victory guy.  Heck yeah man, we kept it close (fist bump) lol.  You don't turn the corner until you start winning.  The moment we start winning games consistently is when you have turned the corner.  You are the same guy that gives out participation trophies with your losing mentality

You don't start winning till you keep it close. The Loins last two losses were by a combined 47 points. Do you still think that, even if our records are eerily similiar, we're in just as desperate or hopeless a situation as they are?

Get your face out of the sports page. It's not just about the final score. It's not about stats. It's about what you see happening on the field. It about figuring out whether your expectations are too severe for the ones who are being evaluated. Understand where the blame lies. Lawrence didn't [BLEEP] this game away.

Etienne lost a fumble that certainly cost us points; the defense whiffed in the literal and figurative sense. We still have no idea how to get a yard on 4th and short. What part of any of those failures falls on the shoulders of the QB whom you and others around here are so quick to cast off as a wasted project?

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It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things

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This....I mean seriously this!!!

Oh I get it 100%.  It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement.  1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low.  2.  We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year.  We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.

Dude, being 1000% serious here, you're regressing to childish levels of evaluation.

If you give a classroom full of students a test and 95% of them fail, could it be that your test is not accurately evaluating the ideal performance? You say that if we set the goal at getting better than last year, we've bleeped up already, but could it be that it's more realistic to expect a team that has failed miserably and embarrassingly for multiple consecutive seasons to not be some instantaneous reversal of their past performance?

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Dude.  Come on man. He has legit been clutch the last 2 weeks. 

The defense is letting this team down. No sacks or turnovers.

With 2:00 on the clock and down by 6 how much confidence do you have that Trevor will put the team on his back and put it in the endzone?

Considering what he did yesterday with half as much time and no times out, I'm perfectly fine with him taking the snaps.

Seriously, do y'all not remember how mind-numbingly miserable we've been for the past decade and a half? It's not like he's throwing picks six each week or we're losing 41-0 with 94 yards passing on the day.

Your question is the very reason why I'm not throwing in the towel. Who was the last QB here where you could ask that question and not get laughed out of the room, because the notion of being in a situation to lead a game-winning drive was that unfathomable?

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With 2:00 on the clock and down by 6 how much confidence do you have that Trevor will put the team on his back and put it in the endzone?

I have way more faith that Trevor will lead a TD drive than I do the defense making a stop with 2 minutes left. That’s for sure.

Holy farts, this right here.

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Fair point but that wasn’t the question.

I do have faith he can do it but it’s not like he’s gonna do it every time. 

Chiefs fans have faith in Mahomes but last week, he threw a pick on the last drive. It happens.

Josh Allen threw one directly into the dirt with the game on the line against the Phins. Brady managed 3 points to a team that is tanking. Rodgers barely had 100 yards passing going into the 4th against the Redacteds.

This is what happens when you draft project QBs.

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Lmao, says the moral victory guy.  Heck yeah man, we kept it close (fist bump) lol.  You don't turn the corner until you start winning.  The moment we start winning games consistently is when you have turned the corner.  You are the same guy that gives out participation trophies with your losing mentality

You don't start winning till you keep it close. The Loins last two losses were by a combined 47 points. Do you still think that, even if our records are eerily similiar, we're in just as desperate or hopeless a situation as they are?

Get your face out of the sports page. It's not just about the final score. It's not about stats. It's about what you see happening on the field. It about figuring out whether your expectations are too severe for the ones who are being evaluated. Understand where the blame lies. Lawrence didn't [BLEEP] this game away.

Etienne lost a fumble that certainly cost us points; the defense whiffed in the literal and figurative sense. We still have no idea how to get a yard on 4th and short. What part of any of those failures falls on the shoulders of the QB whom you and others around here are so quick to cast off as a wasted project?

[BLEEP] are you talking about miss?  Lol, show me where I put all this blame on Trevor and have casted him off as a wasted project.  You are talking to the wrong person

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Oh I get it 100%.  It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement.  1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low.  2.  We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year.  We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.

Dude, being 1000% serious here, you're regressing to childish levels of evaluation.

If you give a classroom full of students a test and 95% of them fail, could it be that your test is not accurately evaluating the ideal performance? You say that if we set the goal at getting better than last year, we've bleeped up already, but could it be that it's more realistic to expect a team that has failed miserably and embarrassingly for multiple consecutive seasons to not be some instantaneous reversal of their past performance?

He’s a good fan.  His patience for the process is basically zero though.  Not likely to receive constructive discussion coming from that stand point.

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