“Herndon is outclassed by the two guys in front of him on the depth chart”

So is every other backup player in the entire world. That’s why they are backups. Come on man.

The point was
Wingard, is a backup at a position where he really isn't much of a drop off in talent if he comes in for the starters, and his contract isn't fully guranteed.
Herndon, is a backup at a position where when he came in he was a complete liability, and likely will be replaced in the draft.. doubt he will see the field too much outside of ST this year. Yet got a fully guranteed contract.

Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

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The point was
Wingard, is a backup at a position where he really isn't much of a drop off in talent if he comes in for the starters, and his contract isn't fully guranteed.
Herndon, is a backup at a position where when he came in he was a complete liability, and likely will be replaced in the draft.. doubt he will see the field too much outside of ST this year. Yet got a fully guranteed contract.

Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

Not to mention, Dewey's signing bonus is bigger than Herndon's entire "fully guaranteed" contract.  What a weird grenade to jump on.

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Herndon is nothing more than insurance. He’s a veteran that knows the system that can give you 2 or 3 starts per year that can play nickel, dime, or outside at any time.

Unfortunately we can’t pay him 7 dollars and 13 cents.

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Cam Fleming was apparently in town

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/repo...th-jaguars

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

“Herndon is outclassed by the two guys in front of him on the depth chart”

So is every other backup player in the entire world. That’s why they are backups. Come on man.

The point was
Wingard, is a backup at a position where he really isn't much of a drop off in talent if he comes in for the starters, and his contract isn't fully guranteed.
Herndon, is a backup at a position where when he came in he was a complete liability, and likely will be replaced in the draft.. doubt he will see the field too much outside of ST this year. Yet got a fully guranteed contract.

and you continue to grasp firmly to the stance after everything done this offseason, that if $2m was the only stumbling block to signing Campbell, this FO was unable to make that happen?

How soon we forget where we stood capwise before February's end.

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The point was
Wingard, is a backup at a position where he really isn't much of a drop off in talent if he comes in for the starters, and his contract isn't fully guranteed.
Herndon, is a backup at a position where when he came in he was a complete liability, and likely will be replaced in the draft.. doubt he will see the field too much outside of ST this year. Yet got a fully guranteed contract.

Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

I just don't think you fully gurantee a contract for a player who could very well be beat out and cut before the season starts. And under normal circumstances I probably wouldn't care much because of how little his salary is, but when you have next to no cap space I don't see the point. 

Could have very well been the difference in us resigning Calais had we still had that extra 2m, and personally I think even at his age he would have been super beneficial to both Walker and Josh Allen even had he only been here for a season.

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Herndon is nothing more than insurance. He’s a veteran that knows the system that can give you 2 or 3 starts per year that can play nickel, dime, or outside at any time.

Unfortunately we can’t pay him 7 dollars and 13 cents.

He wasn't on anybodys radar lets be real, coulda gave him the same deal with no gurantee and when he likely is cut prior to the season we don't have to worry about wasted money.

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Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

Not to mention, Dewey's signing bonus is bigger than Herndon's entire "fully guaranteed" contract.  What a weird grenade to jump on.

Dewey will be here when the season starts, Herndon may not see the field at all. 

Also, not a big Wingard fan either.

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Cam Fleming was apparently in town

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/repo...th-jaguars

I like Baalke's MO of filling holes in free agency to avoid reaching in the draft based on need.   Cam Fleming is 30 years old, 9 seasons of experience at both LT and RT (97 games and 58 starts), and affordable (played for 1 year $1.3m contract this past season).  He would be a decent addition to a swing tackle role, likely better than a later round rookie if needed in a pinch next season.

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Related to Herndon though, unless OTC and Spotrac are both wrong, how does he have $2.5m guaranteed, only $150k as a signing bonus, but only a $1.3m cap hit?

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

I just don't think you fully gurantee a contract for a player who could very well be beat out and cut before the season starts. And under normal circumstances I probably wouldn't care much because of how little his salary is, but when you have next to no cap space I don't see the point. 

Could have very well been the difference in us resigning Calais had we still had that extra 2m, and personally I think even at his age he would have been super beneficial to both Walker and Josh Allen even had he only been here for a season.

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You are desperately scrambling to find a way to make Herndon's minuscule deal a bad thing. 
It's not - and you look silly trying. 

They offered Calais what they wanted to pay him. 
If they wanted him bad enough to offer more, they would have cleared more cap.
They weren't in some back and forth bidding war. They made their offer and then the player chose a higher offer elsewhere. 

Didn't have a damn thing to do with Tre Herndon making peanuts to back up the NB position.

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Related to Herndon though, unless OTC and Spotrac are both wrong, how does he have $2.5m guaranteed, only $150k as a signing bonus, but only a $1.3m cap hit?

Over the cap says 2.4 mil guaranteed and a 1.3mil savings by cutting him prior to June 1.

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I just don't think you fully gurantee a contract for a player who could very well be beat out and cut before the season starts. And under normal circumstances I probably wouldn't care much because of how little his salary is, but when you have next to no cap space I don't see the point. 

Could have very well been the difference in us resigning Calais had we still had that extra 2m, and personally I think even at his age he would have been super beneficial to both Walker and Josh Allen even had he only been here for a season.

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You are desperately scrambling to find a way to make Herndon's minuscule deal a bad thing. 
It's not - and you look silly trying. 

They offered Calais what they wanted to pay him. 
If they wanted him bad enough to offer more, they would have cleared more cap.
They weren't in some back and forth bidding war. They made their offer and then the player chose a higher offer elsewhere. 

Didn't have a damn thing to do with Tre Herndon making peanuts to back up the NB position.

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Related to Herndon though, unless OTC and Spotrac are both wrong, how does he have $2.5m guaranteed, only $150k as a signing bonus, but only a $1.3m cap hit?

Over the cap says 2.4 mil guaranteed and a 1.3mil savings by cutting him prior to June 1.

Both say 1.3 cap hit, 2.5 dead cap. Unless they'll both update after June 1st. It was just a bit confusing that way

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

You are desperately scrambling to find a way to make Herndon's minuscule deal a bad thing. 
It's not - and you look silly trying. 

They offered Calais what they wanted to pay him. 
If they wanted him bad enough to offer more, they would have cleared more cap.
They weren't in some back and forth bidding war. They made their offer and then the player chose a higher offer elsewhere. 

Didn't have a damn thing to do with Tre Herndon making peanuts to back up the NB position.

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Over the cap says 2.4 mil guaranteed and a 1.3mil savings by cutting him prior to June 1.

Both say 1.3 cap hit, 2.5 dead cap. Unless they'll both update after June 1st. It was just a bit confusing that way

You aren't looking at what I'm looking at on over the cap's site apparently

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Anyone that thinks Herndon’s contract had anything remotely to do with not signing Campbell is clueless.  But I already knew that.  If they ‘needed’ money to sign Campbell they would have created the space.

As discussed already, what a [BLEEP] weird thing to get fixated on.

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Anyone that thinks Herndon’s contract had anything remotely to do with not signing Campbell is clueless.  But I already knew that.  If they ‘needed’ money to sign Campbell they would have created the space.

As discussed already, what a [BLEEP] weird thing to get fixated on.

At least these are the discussions after a positive season. This has been a better offseason compared to the circus of names and hiring at the coaching level last year. I shudder to think of the discord if we had closed the season out poorly.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

Both say 1.3 cap hit, 2.5 dead cap. Unless they'll both update after June 1st. It was just a bit confusing that way

You aren't looking at what I'm looking at on over the cap's site apparently

I prefer Spotrac, but both show a similar breakdown

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Herndon trying to cover a receiver or end out of the slot is just as much of a liability as Wingard trying to cover a receiver or end from the SS position. They are both bad in one on one coverage. Don't just make up [BLEEP] to try propping up a crap argument. 

The player who will play in front of Herndon on the depth chart is very, very likely not even on the roster yet. They want a guy behind him that knows the system. This is very normal practice - especially from a staff that preaches continuity like this one. 

You're being willfully obtuse about Herndon making 1 million more than vet minimum to be a backup. 
It is of zero concern to anyone in the organization. I guarantee it.

Personally - I wanted the Jags to find a way to have better depth than both Herndon and Wingard, but you can't fix everything in one offseason when you're only one year removed from the #1 pick. Still building, still filling needs. 
Gotta choose your battles. You're choosing a bad one to nitpick.

I just don't think you fully gurantee a contract for a player who could very well be beat out and cut before the season starts. And under normal circumstances I probably wouldn't care much because of how little his salary is, but when you have next to no cap space I don't see the point. 

Could have very well been the difference in us resigning Calais had we still had that extra 2m, and personally I think even at his age he would have been super beneficial to both Walker and Josh Allen even had he only been here for a season.

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Herndon is nothing more than insurance. He’s a veteran that knows the system that can give you 2 or 3 starts per year that can play nickel, dime, or outside at any time.

Unfortunately we can’t pay him 7 dollars and 13 cents.

He wasn't on anybodys radar lets be real, coulda gave him the same deal with no gurantee and when he likely is cut prior to the season we don't have to worry about wasted money.

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Not to mention, Dewey's signing bonus is bigger than Herndon's entire "fully guaranteed" contract.  What a weird grenade to jump on.

Dewey will be here when the season starts, Herndon may not see the field at all. 

Also, not a big Wingard fan either.

The Jaguars signed Herndon as insurance, which means in the event the team doesn’t scoop up another CB. 

Another way to look at it is even if the Jaguars scoop up another CB, that CB is not guaranteed to make the team. He could get hurt, he could be a dum dum and not understand the scheme, he could turn out to be a terrible pick. 

The team knows what they have with Herndon and that is why they guaranteed his contract. 

If the team really wanted Calais Campbell, they could have got him by moving some money around. Herndon’s contract didn’t have anything to do with Campbell. 

$2 million dollar player on an NFL team is crumbs. It wasn’t that long ago Herndon led the team in int’s and PD’s. Quality backup that can give you reps as a starter in a pinch. Who also plays special teams.

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We got Josh Wells back from Tampa. Solves our swing tackle problem for 2023. Thank goodness for that.

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We got Josh Wells back from Tampa. Solves our swing tackle problem for 2023. Thank goodness for that.

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Experienced depth.

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We got Josh Wells back from Tampa. Solves our swing tackle problem for 2023. Thank goodness for that.

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This is good news. I’ll just accept that Little is the starter and I’m gonna like it by God.

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Wells isn't a bad depth signing.
Ended last year on IR.
Does anyone know about his injury and recovery time?

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We got Josh Wells back from Tampa. Solves our swing tackle problem for 2023. Thank goodness for that.

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This is good news. I’ll just accept that Little is the starter and I’m gonna like it by God.

Won't know until the draft finishes up. I still think he's a better LT than RT though. Would really like to see them dump Cam Robinson to a team post draft at this point to get him out of here. His cap hit sucks. As does his durability and play overall. He's not that good.

I wouldn't rule out this team drafting a highly touted LT or RT with the 24th pick on the opening night of the draft just for that reason cited above.

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