Jaguars restructured Rayshawn Jenkins contract today. Getting $5.1M cap space back for the year. They need to redo Cam Robinson's deal. [BLEEP] is costing us close to $22.1M in cap space and accounts for basically 10% of this year's cap. That is easily Baalke's biggest turd in the teal colored punch bowl.

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Should we assume that them not addressing Cam’s deal indicates he is gone after this season?  Wouldn’t it be worse to send Cams dollars into the future if he isn’t on the team?

Cam has a track record of being proud and stubborn, so I wouldn't assume anything based on the almost zero info we have.
Could just mean that they aren't getting where they want in the negotiation. 

Regardless, the goal should be to upgrade him next year one way or another.
He's good enough to earn a start somewhere, but I'd prefer we land a more consistent protector for our QB. 

How they structure any new deal could limit dead cap in 2024, but the details on that are very speculative.

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Should we assume that them not addressing Cam’s deal indicates he is gone after this season?  Wouldn’t it be worse to send Cams dollars into the future if he isn’t on the team?

Cam has a track record of being proud and stubborn, so I wouldn't assume anything based on the almost zero info we have.
Could just mean that they aren't getting where they want in the negotiation. 

Regardless, the goal should be to upgrade him next year one way or another.
He's good enough to earn a start somewhere, but I'd prefer we land a more consistent protector for our QB. 

How they structure any new deal could limit dead cap in 2024, but the details on that are very speculative.

A "simple restructure" does not require Cam's permission.  The team can just do it.  A "simple restructure" creates salary cap room by declaring the player's next year's salary to be a bonus, and that spreads it over the life of the contract.  

So, Cam's base salary is approximately $16 million, and his contract goes for 2023 and 2024.  It they do a simple restructure, it would move half of that cap hit to next year, and he'd be paid the $16 million as a bonus this year instead of as salary.  That would create $8 million in cap space.  

It doesn't require his permission.

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Jaguars restructured Rayshawn Jenkins contract today. Getting $5.1M cap space back for the year. They need to redo Cam Robinson's deal. [BLEEP] is costing us close to $22.1M in cap space and accounts for basically 10% of this year's cap. That is easily Baalke's biggest turd in the teal colored punch bowl.

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That's nice news.

Gives them all the room they need for the rookie class plus maybe one more vet depth signing. 

It's sort of shaping up so that the Jags will essentially have 20 of 22 starters penciled in with NB being the only place they will have  to count on a rookie to come in ready to start. 

Hopefully they end up having rookies competing for IOL, IDL and maybe EDGE snaps as well. 

It truly is draft and develop season in Duval this year.

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also, yes,  fingers crossed the Cam contract gets an overhaul as well

There's 4 guys already on the roster who could be the NB come August.

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Do you think that Montaric Brown and Gregory Junior will compete for the NB position?

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

That's nice news.

Gives them all the room they need for the rookie class plus maybe one more vet depth signing. 

It's sort of shaping up so that the Jags will essentially have 20 of 22 starters penciled in with NB being the only place they will have  to count on a rookie to come in ready to start. 

Hopefully they end up having rookies competing for IOL, IDL and maybe EDGE snaps as well. 

It truly is draft and develop season in Duval this year.

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also, yes,  fingers crossed the Cam contract gets an overhaul as well

There's 4 guys already on the roster who could be the NB come August.

I hope to all things holy that such complacency is not the plan. 

They made efforts to get those young guns on the field last year in ST, dime packages and backup reps.
None of them flashed even a little bit. 

The other two are not starting quality in any respect. 

It's fine to take shots on late rounders, UDFAs and Canadian transplant CBs - but if our starting nickel is currently on our roster - we are steering a weak tack into a harsh wind.

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Cam has a track record of being proud and stubborn, so I wouldn't assume anything based on the almost zero info we have.
Could just mean that they aren't getting where they want in the negotiation. 

Regardless, the goal should be to upgrade him next year one way or another.
He's good enough to earn a start somewhere, but I'd prefer we land a more consistent protector for our QB. 

How they structure any new deal could limit dead cap in 2024, but the details on that are very speculative.

A "simple restructure" does not require Cam's permission.  The team can just do it.  A "simple restructure" creates salary cap room by declaring the player's next year's salary to be a bonus, and that spreads it over the life of the contract.  

So, Cam's base salary is approximately $16 million, and his contract goes for 2023 and 2024.  It they do a simple restructure, it would move half of that cap hit to next year, and he'd be paid the $16 million as a bonus this year instead of as salary.  That would create $8 million in cap space.  

It doesn't require his permission.

Word.

I've been so focused on upgrading the guy I forgot he's actually still under contract in 2024, we just have the out clause after this year. Got so used to considering that a forgone conclusion...

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Creeping along to the draft lol

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Jaguars restructured Rayshawn Jenkins contract today. Getting $5.1M cap space back for the year. They need to redo Cam Robinson's deal. [BLEEP] is costing us close to $22.1M in cap space and accounts for basically 10% of this year's cap. That is easily Baalke's biggest turd in the teal colored punch bowl.

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Should we assume that them not addressing Cam’s deal indicates he is gone after this season?  Wouldn’t it be worse to send Cams dollars into the future if he isn’t on the team?

DING DING DING

Well done, sir. Restructure those you want to keep around.

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The Jags have had interviews with a TON of DL prospects. Pretty clear where they’re headed in the draft. Maybe not first the first rounder but they’re gonna be all over the DL in this draft.

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The Jags have had interviews with a TON of DL prospects. Pretty clear where they’re headed in the draft. Maybe not first the first rounder but they’re gonna be all over the DL in this draft.

Yep. Nolan and Mazi smith. Yaya and Young, etc. Decent mix of RD1, RD2 and RD3 candidates. It was to be expected. I just hope we don't do anything stupid like we saw back in 2008. We were riding high off a good play-off run after finishing 11-5 and then during the 2008 draft we decided to move up twice to get Harvey in RD1 and Groves in RD2. 

Came back to bite us in the [BLEEP] that year after the majority of the offensive line was decimated and at one point we had street free agents signing up on Monday's and Tuesday's and instantly starting that same weekend. I just think if we're cap strapped over the next two years and we have these contracts expiring soon or lingering like Josh Allen, Evan Engram and Calvin Ridley?

We need to keep our picks as they stand and not get cute three weeks from now. I would draft based on value but it's pretty clear we'll have concerns at LT, RT, RG, TE and WR in the very near future on offense. Time to draft and develop.

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There's 4 guys already on the roster who could be the NB come August.

I hope to all things holy that such complacency is not the plan. 

They made efforts to get those young guns on the field last year in ST, dime packages and backup reps.
None of them flashed even a little bit. 

The other two are not starting quality in any respect. 

It's fine to take shots on late rounders, UDFAs and Canadian transplant CBs - but if our starting nickel is currently on our roster - we are steering a weak tack into a harsh wind.

I think you way overstate the issue. The 3rd CB is likely already here and we'll be fine with another mid to late pick unless a starter quality guy falls to us in Rd 2.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I hope to all things holy that such complacency is not the plan. 

They made efforts to get those young guns on the field last year in ST, dime packages and backup reps.
None of them flashed even a little bit. 

The other two are not starting quality in any respect. 

It's fine to take shots on late rounders, UDFAs and Canadian transplant CBs - but if our starting nickel is currently on our roster - we are steering a weak tack into a harsh wind.

I think you way overstate the issue. The 3rd CB is likely already here and we'll be fine with another mid to late pick unless a starter quality guy falls to us in Rd 2.

Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

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We need a cb. Don’t get it confused.

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Should we assume that them not addressing Cam’s deal indicates he is gone after this season?  Wouldn’t it be worse to send Cams dollars into the future if he isn’t on the team?

DING DING DING

Well done, sir. Restructure those you want to keep around.

No, restructuring Cam's deal has no relationship to whether he is here next year or not.  It is not worse to send Cam's dollars into the future if he is not on the team in the future.  

For example, if you move $8 million of cap hit from 2023 to 2024 with a restructure, that $8 million will hit the cap in 2024, whether he's on the team or not.  So whether he's going to be on the team or not should have no effect on the decision to restructure him.

Unless you're talking about cutting him before the 2023 season, which isn't going to happen.

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I think you way overstate the issue. The 3rd CB is likely already here and we'll be fine with another mid to late pick unless a starter quality guy falls to us in Rd 2.

Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

You assume that having rookies playing one year vs second year guys playing the next has no impact on performance. That's your take on the Center too. You went to the mat for the QB when he was in this spot but demand replacements for other rookies in similar circumstances. Sure, there's a value and talent difference in the #1 and later round guys, but you're still overstating the need IMO. We have young guys in that group who could potentially be the solution that allows us to use the draft on the big guy positions of immediate need.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

You assume that having rookies playing one year vs second year guys playing the next has no impact on performance. That's your take on the Center too. You went to the mat for the QB when he was in this spot but demand replacements for other rookies in similar circumstances. Sure, there's a value and talent difference in the #1 and later round guys, but you're still overstating the need IMO. We have young guys in that group who could potentially be the solution that allows us to use the draft on the big guy positions of immediate need.

Big nope on that assertion.


The rookies you are talking about performing at nickel in year 2 were selected #222 and #197 

Yet you just conflated my views on them with my views on a #1 overall pick and a #65 pick. 

That plane has no wings. Not gonna get off the ground. Yes, I read your caveat. It negates your point. 

Two things of import that differentiate my views of center and nickel needs:

1. I expect Fortner to improve, but if we're likely to get a guard anyway, I want one who can play center if LF struggles.  If that sounds like a big ask, you're thinking too small IMO.
   
2. Nickel is actually one of the few glaring needs on the team. Why just sit on your hands? Just fix it with actual talent. It's not like we have a ton of holes to fill. Your rookie 7th rounders can still compete, but we have enough capital that we don't need to count on them. 
   

I'm not overstating the need, you are devaluing the position.

Which other positions are in such dire need that you want to bypass a 3rd or 4th round nickel back?

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I think you way overstate the issue. The 3rd CB is likely already here and we'll be fine with another mid to late pick unless a starter quality guy falls to us in Rd 2.

Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

You didnt post those numbers after trying to tell me resigning herndon wasnt a waste of cap and roster space now did u.

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Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

You didnt post those numbers after trying to tell me resigning herndon wasnt a waste of cap and roster space now did u.

Because he's not a waste of cap and roster space. He's a backup being paid like a backup. Let it go.

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I think you way overstate the issue. The 3rd CB is likely already here and we'll be fine with another mid to late pick unless a starter quality guy falls to us in Rd 2.

Let me just clearly state some stats from last year's nickel performances for you. 

Here are the more egregious completion percentages given up from our 2022 nickels  - early on from the out-of-position Williams before Herndon took over and also the numbers from Herndon:

week 4: 66.7%
Week 6: 83.3%
week 8: 71.4%
week 10: 75%
week 11: 75%
week 12: 75%
week 13: 100%
week14: 75%

You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to throw a half [BLEEP] patch job on this situation. 

Go ahead and throw in the fact that we have a pass rush that was THIS close to getting home umpteen times throughout these games.
 Put those numbers above consistently at 50-60% and suddenly a dozen of those pressures have a chance to become sacks.

Those completion percentages are just terrible. The Jaguars are very fortunate that this draft is loaded with quality corners/nickels and they should wait no longer than round 2 if a quality player is available at that position. I fully expect Clark Phillips to be there, however, and he'd be a great 2nd round pick as would Julius Brents. The importance of the nickel position is being underestimated by some on this board. To expect late rounders Junior and Brown to fill that spot is wishful thinking, in my opinion. If they improve significantly, that will be a bonus but I'd still take a nickel/corner high in the draft with the expectation they can be a Day 1 starter. By the way, based on Phillips' on-field performance I believe he is very capable of playing on the outside, if necessary. Williams has proven that one need not be 6'0" to play effectively on the outside.

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The nickel is a huge need. I'd also be very happy with Clark Phillips like jaglou was saying. Phillips can play nickel or outside corner. He's the best tackler in this draft though and best instincts

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