Tomlinson is another I'd be very happy with

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Tomlinson is another I'd be very happy with

I'm a big Tomlinson fan. If we can get him in either the 3rd or the 4th , that would be sweet.

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Tomlinson is another I'd be very happy with

I'm a big Tomlinson fan. If we can get him in either the 3rd or the 4th , that would be sweet.

Yeah, I don't see him making it to the 4th and not sure if he will be there at the end of the 3rd.  If we get a pass rusher and a olineman in the 1st and 2nd and he is sitting there in the middle of the 3rd I'd start thinking about a trade up.

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I like Mekhi Blackmon out of USC in RD4 and I think people keep sleeping on Riley Moss out of Iowa. Really solid nickel options.

Just trying to figure out what might happen in RD4. Baalke did move up last year so it will be interesting to see if he does it again.

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I like Mekhi Blackmon out of USC in RD4 and I think people keep sleeping on Riley Moss out of Iowa. Really solid nickel options.

Just trying to figure out what might happen in RD4. Baalke did move up last year so it will be interesting to see if he does it again.

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I'm with you on Moss.  Would be a good middle round pick

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Dawand Jones and Avila is 2 of those guys I hope falls tonour 2nd round pick

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You didnt post those numbers after trying to tell me resigning herndon wasnt a waste of cap and roster space now did u.

Because he's not a waste of cap and roster space. He's a backup being paid like a backup. Let it go.

Also I believe Herndon only played NB for 2 of these games. NYC I assume you are counting game number not week since our bye was week 11. So I’m guessing your week 13/14 are really 14/15 on a full 18 week nfl calendar.

In one of them he got abused by Lamb all day, but I don’t expect to see many NB contain him…. Ultimately he did tip the ball that Jenkins took into the end zone for the win.

The other was the first Titans game after being inactive for two weeks. I will just take it at face value that he did poorly.

So he had a bad game getting back into the nickel role and a bad game against one of the better offenses in football. I would also like to upgrade that spot, but he actually seemed to solidify that spot coming off the bench based on NYC’s list stopping after game 14.

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Because he's not a waste of cap and roster space. He's a backup being paid like a backup. Let it go.

Also I believe Herndon only played NB for 2 of these games.  NYC I assume you are counting game number not week since our bye was week 11.  So I’m guessing your week 13/14 are really 14/15 on a full 18 week nfl calendar. 

In one of them he got abused by Lamb all day, but I don’t expect to see many NB contain him…. Ultimately he did tip the ball that Jenkins took into the end zone for the win.

The other was the first Titans game after being inactive for two weeks.  I will just take it at face value that he did poorly. 

So he had a bad game getting back into the nickel role and a bad game against one of the better offenses in football.  I would also like to upgrade that spot, but he actually seemed to solidify that spot coming off the bench based on NYC’s list stopping after game 14.

Yes, those are game numbers, not week numbers and I'm 99% sure that Herndon was in nickel in games 13-17, plus postseason.

Herndon did not tip that ball, BTW. The replay shows it was a clear 2 feet from his hand. The receiver mishandled it and it bounced of his chest and then off his hands toward Jenkins. 



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Also I believe Herndon only played NB for 2 of these games.  NYC I assume you are counting game number not week since our bye was week 11.  So I’m guessing your week 13/14 are really 14/15 on a full 18 week nfl calendar. 

In one of them he got abused by Lamb all day, but I don’t expect to see many NB contain him…. Ultimately he did tip the ball that Jenkins took into the end zone for the win.

The other was the first Titans game after being inactive for two weeks.  I will just take it at face value that he did poorly. 

So he had a bad game getting back into the nickel role and a bad game against one of the better offenses in football.  I would also like to upgrade that spot, but he actually seemed to solidify that spot coming off the bench based on NYC’s list stopping after game 14.

Yes, those are game numbers, not week numbers and I'm 99% sure that Herndon was in nickel in games 13-17, plus postseason.

Herndon did not tip that ball, BTW. The replay shows it was a clear 2 feet from his hand. The receiver mishandled it and it bounced of his chest and then off his hands toward Jenkins. 



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Oh good catch. Regardless one tip/ no tip doesn’t change the need to get better competition at Nickel and CB depth.

I just think he is OK at Nickel and I actually liked that we brought him back as insurance for that spot.

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Yes, those are game numbers, not week numbers and I'm 99% sure that Herndon was in nickel in games 13-17, plus postseason.

Herndon did not tip that ball, BTW. The replay shows it was a clear 2 feet from his hand. The receiver mishandled it and it bounced of his chest and then off his hands toward Jenkins. 



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Oh good catch.  Regardless one tip/ no tip doesn’t change the need to get better competition at Nickel and CB depth.

I just think he is OK at Nickel and I actually liked that we brought him back as insurance for that spot.

I agree. 

Good to have a backup that knows the system if they end up drafting a player who is intended to start.

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You assume that having rookies playing one year vs second year guys playing the next has no impact on performance. That's your take on the Center too. You went to the mat for the QB when he was in this spot but demand replacements for other rookies in similar circumstances. Sure, there's a value and talent difference in the #1 and later round guys, but you're still overstating the need IMO. We have young guys in that group who could potentially be the solution that allows us to use the draft on the big guy positions of immediate need.

Big nope on that assertion.


The rookies you are talking about performing at nickel in year 2 were selected #222 and #197 

Yet you just conflated my views on them with my views on a #1 overall pick and a #65 pick. 

That plane has no wings. Not gonna get off the ground. Yes, I read your caveat. It negates your point. 

Two things of import that differentiate my views of center and nickel needs:

1. I expect Fortner to improve, but if we're likely to get a guard anyway, I want one who can play center if LF struggles.  If that sounds like a big ask, you're thinking too small IMO.
   
2. Nickel is actually one of the few glaring needs on the team. Why just sit on your hands? Just fix it with actual talent. It's not like we have a ton of holes to fill. Your rookie 7th rounders can still compete, but we have enough capital that we don't need to count on them. 
   

I'm not overstating the need, you are devaluing the position.

Which other positions are in such dire need that you want to bypass a 3rd or 4th round nickel back?

No, you're devaluing guys already here. I want nothing but big bodies, ie TE, DE, OT, DT in every round unless a tremendous talent who falls. A NB before Rd 3 is a waste of draft capital same as an RB in round 1.

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Big nope on that assertion.


The rookies you are talking about performing at nickel in year 2 were selected #222 and #197 

Yet you just conflated my views on them with my views on a #1 overall pick and a #65 pick. 

That plane has no wings. Not gonna get off the ground. Yes, I read your caveat. It negates your point. 

Two things of import that differentiate my views of center and nickel needs:

1. I expect Fortner to improve, but if we're likely to get a guard anyway, I want one who can play center if LF struggles.  If that sounds like a big ask, you're thinking too small IMO.
   
2. Nickel is actually one of the few glaring needs on the team. Why just sit on your hands? Just fix it with actual talent. It's not like we have a ton of holes to fill. Your rookie 7th rounders can still compete, but we have enough capital that we don't need to count on them. 
   

I'm not overstating the need, you are devaluing the position.

Which other positions are in such dire need that you want to bypass a 3rd or 4th round nickel back?

No, you're devaluing guys already here. I want nothing but big bodies, ie TE, DE, OT, DT in every round unless a tremendous talent who falls. A NB before Rd 3 is a waste of draft capital same as an RB in round 1.

So you think Travis Etienne was a waste of draft capital?

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No, you're devaluing guys already here. I want nothing but big bodies, ie TE, DE, OT, DT in every round unless a tremendous talent who falls. A NB before Rd 3 is a waste of draft capital same as an RB in round 1.

So you think Travis Etienne was a waste of draft capital?

Also the concept of not taking a NB before Rd 3 is completely outdated.

Over the past 10 years the role of the NB has expanded tremendously. Not only do they need the agility and coverage skills to match up with a slot receiver, they are also being asked to provide run support and are even being asked to pressure the QB.

The SAM linebacker's importance is fading as is the amount of time they see the field. The role of the NB is rapidly expanding and taking over that role. The need to have a gifted athlete at NB is the future of the NFL.

It may not be a top 10 pick caliber of position, but grabbing a player that has all the skills to do everything that is being asked of them in today's defenses in the 2nd half of the 1st Rd would not be a reach.

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So you think Travis Etienne was a waste of draft capital?

Also the concept of not taking a NB before Rd 3 is completely outdated.

Over the past 10 years the role of the NB has expanded tremendously. Not only do they need the agility and coverage skills to match up with a slot receiver, they are also being asked to provide run support and are even being asked to pressure the QB.

The SAM linebacker's importance is fading as is the amount of time they see the field. The role of the NB is rapidly expanding and taking over that role. The need to have a gifted athlete at NB is the future of the NFL.

It may not be a top 10 pick caliber of position, but grabbing a player that has all the skills to do everything that is being asked of them in today's defenses in the 2nd half of the 1st Rd would not be a reach.

If we take Brian Branch at 24, i think he would help this defense a ton.  Hes not the top guy at 24 but he isnt that fall down for me

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Branch's comp is Minkah Fitzpatrick. That's good company.

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He's not as fast as Minkah. My only concern is can he keep up with the faster WRs?

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So you think Travis Etienne was a waste of draft capital?

Also the concept of not taking a NB before Rd 3 is completely outdated.

Over the past 10 years the role of the NB has expanded tremendously. Not only do they need the agility and coverage skills to match up with a slot receiver, they are also being asked to provide run support and are even being asked to pressure the QB.

The SAM linebacker's importance is fading as is the amount of time they see the field. The role of the NB is rapidly expanding and taking over that role. The need to have a gifted athlete at NB is the future of the NFL.

It may not be a top 10 pick caliber of position, but grabbing a player that has all the skills to do everything that is being asked of them in today's defenses in the 2nd half of the 1st Rd would not be a reach.

I think we are missing a key part of this conversation.  NB used to mean "the 5th best DB." That shouldn't be anyone you draft in the 1st round.  But if NB means "the guy who covers the slot receiver in a 3 WR package" or "the guy who covers the TE if he lines up wide" then that could be someone worth a 1st round pick.  It depends if he's an every down player or not.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Also the concept of not taking a NB before Rd 3 is completely outdated.

Over the past 10 years the role of the NB has expanded tremendously. Not only do they need the agility and coverage skills to match up with a slot receiver, they are also being asked to provide run support and are even being asked to pressure the QB.

The SAM linebacker's importance is fading as is the amount of time they see the field. The role of the NB is rapidly expanding and taking over that role. The need to have a gifted athlete at NB is the future of the NFL.

It may not be a top 10 pick caliber of position, but grabbing a player that has all the skills to do everything that is being asked of them in today's defenses in the 2nd half of the 1st Rd would not be a reach.

I think we are missing a key part of this conversation.  NB used to mean "the 5th best DB." That shouldn't be anyone you draft in the 1st round.  But if NB means "the guy who covers the slot receiver in a 3 WR package" or "the guy who covers the TE if he lines up wide" then that could be someone worth a 1st round pick.  It depends if he's an every down player or not.

NB is evolving into a base position on defense and this is a growing trend across the NFL.

Slot receivers have become some of the best receivers in the league and you need someone with the agility to cover them and also have the ability to defend the run in 3 wide receiver sets.

Modern offenses have made the SAM LB more an more of a liability.

Having a NB that is talented and versatile enough to remain on the field in al sorts of situations are becoming more sought after.

The days of the NB being an after thought player are coming to an end.

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Need a good 3rd cb. Whatever you want to call it.

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No, you're devaluing guys already here. I want nothing but big bodies, ie TE, DE, OT, DT in every round unless a tremendous talent who falls. A NB before Rd 3 is a waste of draft capital same as an RB in round 1.

So you think Travis Etienne was a waste of draft capital?

Yep, he's a fine player but he's ready missed one season and, if you go back to last year, there were several times where Hasty was on the field in key plays while ETN stood on the sideline. RBs are pretty much the least valuable position and taking one in the 1st is overdrafting in almost every case.

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I get the concept of NB and RB not been of value in the first round but if there’s a player there that’s special regardless of position you take him, yes they can be found in lower rounds but if it was that easy every team would have a superstar running back and nickle back drafted in the 4th.

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