True, I wonder if it was something in the interviews.  With LG being one of the biggest needs and the goal is to protect Trevor its a little crazy they didn't want to get the best G in the draft where a lot had him going to us at 24.  Of course being a Jags fan I'll support Strange though so hopefully he will be a much better pro than a college player. It's just crazy taking him in the 2nd and preaching about value.  I'd pay a lot of money to see what aour board looks like with and how the 127 players are ranked.

Not to turn this into another BAP vs need debate, but the entire premise of BAP is that everyone is working off of the same draft board.  But they aren't.  It's an entire guessing game.  Being able to scout well is the only thing that matters.  I'm sure if we ever saw their board I'm sure we'd be stunned at how high some players are ranked and how low others are.  Or who isn't even on their board to begin with.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

I like the players we got today, my only disappointment is we need corners and IOL and both te and rb are luxury picks for this team.

That was my biggest gripe too.


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Fix the O-Line!

Tank played on a team that was in disarray the last 2 years behind an OL that was below SEC standard. He averaged 1 yard before contact and 4 yards AFTER contact. They said it last night he was top 15 in the nation after contact. He has been durable. (I'll not jinx him and say he is)

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I don't like the value, but I hope he produces and it doesn't matter.

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I really like his personality and his tape is great. But really slow at the combine like a 4.56.

I doubt anyone is looking at Tank as a home run hitter. The first 10 split and like a shuttle are probably more important for what the Jags are envisioning for him. I don't follow those numbers enough to know if his are good or not. I just don't think the overall 40 time means much for his role.

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He will probably run under some kickoffs too.

We already have Agnew.

Oh we do ?

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Deserves to be drafted just on name alone.

Tank Bigsby

Fantastic

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Send in the Tank!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWvxAeT_HcU

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I like the guy, seems to have good vision and agility. I read he has a tendency to fumble (maybe Caldrac posted numbers about that), I hope he fixes that as we already have Etienne who has to improve on that.

That said I didn't like the value of the pick. Selecting a RB in the third round to be a backup/rotational guy when we have other capable guys I don't think is what this team needed.

Also Baalke in the last 3 drafts used a 1st rounder (Etienne) a 5th rounder and 2 six rounders to trade up and select Connor Snoop and a 3rd rounder on Bigsby. Too much in my opinion.

That said I think this guy can play and will obviously root for him.

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With RB attrition what it is. A strong argument could be made you need a back every year.

Look at what RBs got carries last year across the league. Heck, Adrian Peterson is probably sitting around still waiting for a call.

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With RB attrition what it is.  A strong argument could be made you need a back every year.

Look at what RBs got carries last year across the league.  Heck, Adrian Peterson is probably sitting around still waiting for a call.

Strong argument.  LOL.

Here’s your RB carries for last year:

Etienne 220
Hasty 46
Conner 12

We’ll even throw in Robinson’s 81 to make you happy, even though he was traded.

We signed D’Ernest Johnson which gives us four with NFL experience on the roster.

Good grief, how many RBs do you need in a pass first league?  AND we spend a third round pick on a guy that’s going to get what?  50 carries?

I just don’t understand liking this pick.

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With RB attrition what it is.  A strong argument could be made you need a back every year.

Look at what RBs got carries last year across the league.  Heck, Adrian Peterson is probably sitting around still waiting for a call.

Strong argument.  LOL.

Here’s your RB carries for last year:

Etienne 220
Hasty 46
Conner 12

We’ll even throw in Robinson’s 81 to make you happy, even though he was traded.

We signed D’Ernest Johnson which gives us four with NFL experience on the roster.

Good grief, how many RBs do you need in a pass first league?  AND we spend a third round pick on a guy that’s going to get what?  50 carries?

I just don’t understand liking this pick.

The drop off in carries between ETN and the rest make the case that we still don’t have our number two back. finding that one bell-cow back to carry your team is largely a thing of the past. Today’s championship level teams need a good running back tandem. If that is what they have found with Bigsby, we may look back on this choice with a little kinder eyes.


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I think the negativity is somewhat stemming from the antiquated black and white view of starter vs backup RB. The truth is very few teams have or want to use their RB in that manner unless by necessity. If he acclimates quickly and is able to fill a role where he gets 5-8 touches or more per game and is efficient with them that would be significant in helping this offense and keeping Etienne healthy and fresh late in the season.

Bottom line is you have to hit on the pick which you’d like to be true in general for anyone taken in the 3rd round or earlier.

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Strong argument.  LOL.

Here’s your RB carries for last year:

Etienne 220
Hasty 46
Conner 12

We’ll even throw in Robinson’s 81 to make you happy, even though he was traded.

We signed D’Ernest Johnson which gives us four with NFL experience on the roster.

Good grief, how many RBs do you need in a pass first league?  AND we spend a third round pick on a guy that’s going to get what?  50 carries?

I just don’t understand liking this pick.

The drop off in carries between ETN and the rest make the case that we still don’t have our number two back. finding that one bell-cow back to carry your team is largely a thing of the past. Today’s championship level teams need a good running back tandem. If that is what they have found with Bigsby, we may look back on this choice with a little kinder eyes.


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You might want to check the stats of the playoff teams about not having a bell-cow back.

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We also were plenty fortunate in the health department last season.

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I think the negativity is somewhat stemming from the antiquated black and white view of starter vs backup RB.  The truth is very few teams have or want to use their RB in that manner unless by necessity.  If he acclimates quickly and is able to fill a role where he gets 5-8 touches or more per game and is efficient with them that would be significant in helping this offense and keeping Etienne healthy and fresh late in the season.

Bottom line is you have to hit on the pick which you’d like to be  true in general for anyone taken in the 3rd round or earlier.

No

The negativity is about spending valuable capital on a devalued position already manned by 4 draft picks worth of capital including a first + a capable free agent signing when we have greater needs

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The drop off in carries between ETN and the rest make the case that we still don’t have our number two back. finding that one bell-cow back to carry your team is largely a thing of the past. Today’s championship level teams need a good running back tandem. If that is what they have found with Bigsby, we may look back on this choice with a little kinder eyes.


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You might want to check the stats of the playoff teams about not having a bell-cow back.

Looked this up... not sure how you define bell-cow back.

Playoff teams / Snap% of top rushers / total carries of lead back / and then touches per game of lead back / rank in NFL of touchers per game

Chiefs 47% Jerrick McKinnon 31% Isiah Pachecho / neither over 200 carries / neither in the top 21 of touchers per game
Bills 65% Devin Singletary / under 200 carries / not in the top 21 of touches per game
Bengals 65% Joe Mixon 40% Samaji Perine / 212 carries / 19.3 touches per game / 6th in the NFL
Jaguars 59% Travis Etienne / 220 carries / 15 touches per game / 21st in NFL
Chargers 62% Austin Akeler / under 200 carries / 18.3 touches per game / 11th in NFL
Ravens 46% Kenyan Drake / under 200 carries/ not in top 21 in touches per game
Dolphins 56% Raheem Mostert / under 200 carries / not in the top 21 in touches per game

Eagles 57% Miles Sanders / 259 carries / 16.4 touches per game / 17th in the NFL
49ers 73% Christian McCaffrey (Although this also carries over from Carolina) / 244 carries / 18.4 touches per game #4 in the NFL
Vikings 72% Dalvin Cook / 264 carries / 17.8 touches per game / 13th in the NFL
Bucs 60% Leonard Fournette 39% Rachaad White / under 200 carries / 16.4 touches per game / 19th in the NFL
Cowboys 53% Ezekial Elliot, 55% Tony Pollard / 231 carries for Zeke / 16.5 touches per game Zeke / 14.5 touches per game Pollard / 16 and 23 in the NFL
Giants 80% Saquon Barkley / 295 carries / 22 touches per game / 3rd in the NFL
Seahawks 58% Kenneth Walker / 228 carries / 17 touchesr per game / 15th in NFL


Looks like our playoff teams in bell-cow touches per game are:
3rd
4th
6th
11th
13th
15th
16th and 23rd (Same Team)
17th
19th
21st
Not in top 21 (4 teams)

Superbowl teams were not in the top 21 and 17th
Top 4 seeds were: 
4th
17th
Unranked
Unranked

Not sure exactly how to interpret this data but I'm not convinced it shows lots of bell-cow usage by playoff teams.

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I think the negativity is somewhat stemming from the antiquated black and white view of starter vs backup RB.  The truth is very few teams have or want to use their RB in that manner unless by necessity.  If he acclimates quickly and is able to fill a role where he gets 5-8 touches or more per game and is efficient with them that would be significant in helping this offense and keeping Etienne healthy and fresh late in the season.

Bottom line is you have to hit on the pick which you’d like to be  true in general for anyone taken in the 3rd round or earlier.

No

The negativity is about spending valuable capital on a devalued position already manned by 4 draft picks worth of capital including a first + a capable free agent signing when we have greater needs

It's a devalued position from what it used to be but it's still a valuable position, hence the 2 RBs drafted in the top 12 picks.  I don't think Doug wants to run Etienne into the ground.  From the comments I think Doug wants to run the ball a little more and try to balance it more.  Take a more Cle. approach like they did with Hunt and Chubb.

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Strong argument.  LOL.

Here’s your RB carries for last year:

Etienne 220
Hasty 46
Conner 12

We’ll even throw in Robinson’s 81 to make you happy, even though he was traded.

We signed D’Ernest Johnson which gives us four with NFL experience on the roster.

Good grief, how many RBs do you need in a pass first league?  AND we spend a third round pick on a guy that’s going to get what?  50 carries?

I just don’t understand liking this pick.

The drop off in carries between ETN and the rest make the case that we still don’t have our number two back. finding that one bell-cow back to carry your team is largely a thing of the past. Today’s championship level teams need a good running back tandem. If that is what they have found with Bigsby, we may look back on this choice with a little kinder eyes.


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Facts

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I wonder how much consideration was being given to how ETN seems to take on contact. He’s built like a scat back but they do run him between the tackles a lot and he doesn’t seem to mind contact. Maybe this pick is an acknowledgment that he could have a higher chance of injury than most.

Only thing that really makes sense about that pick anyway.

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