Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.

If thats affecting his play then he shouldn't be out there.  They need to let him heal up.  Pressure isn't just coming from the interior, it's also coming from the edges

I guess injured Harrison at RT is better than back up guard in place of Little. Shows how we lack for good depth all along the line.

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Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.

If thats affecting his play then he shouldn't be out there.  They need to let him heal up.  Pressure isn't just coming from the interior, it's also coming from the edges

They haven't exactly had better options than Harrison at RT until (maybe) now if they were to put Little there.

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According to Dempsey on the radio. Scherff is 2nd in blocking since week four at the guard position in pass protections. That's PFF I think. It's a tweet out there.

According to DiRoc, he's saying ESPN has him ranked 41st or something like that out of 60 some odd guards. Shatley is 55th. Cleveland is ranked 36th, middle of the pack, etc.

Interesting how everybody has this metric or that metric but nobody is really on the same page. So, fun stuff.

Edit:

DiRoc came back and said since week four, Scherff is still 31st or somewhere around there in pass blocking. And it was PFF grading him 2nd best. It's a tremendous difference.

Per DiRoc, they grade pass blocks on 2.5 seconds on ESPN. So, he's saying a good block in pass protection starts with a 2.5 threshold. However, Trevor is getting the football out on average in 2.4 seconds. 2nd only to Tua in that release regard.

The whole grading and metric system is a mess. There's really no clear cut consensus. Interesting how everything is measured.

ESPN win rates and PFF grades in protection are vastly different metrics. 
Worlds apart. But folks keep comparing and contrasting them like they correlate somehow. 
They both have their flaws. 

People all over the radio and internet have not taken the time to understand how each system works. 
I heard Boselli and Prisco talk about the win rate metric a while back and they both had zero clue what it is.

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I'm actually very encouraged by Harrison.

He's extremely young and he's been holding his own out there for the most part. Sure he's gotten beat by the most elite pass rushers in the league (Jones, Watt, Bosa) but I think he's going to be very good.

It's the interior of this line that's straight garbage.

I agree, I'm fine with his play this year, especially gutting it out with the shoulder like it is. If we could find a guard/center who could play that well for next year then we'll be good to go.

Our front office will have some very big decisions to make regarding our offensive line during the off-season. I agree with you about Harrison; he has played very well considering his shoulder issues. The remainder of the offensive line is not so certain. The following questions need to be answered:

1. Does the team keep Cam Robinson and Brandon Scherff due to their very high salary cap figures? 

2. Is Walker Little ready to become the full-time left tackle?

3. Does the team give Ezra Cleveland a new contract making him the starting left guard?

4. What do they do with Luke Fortner considering the liability he has been at center?

5. Who will emerge as the starting right guard?


The team needs to get these decisions right if the team is to take the next step and Lawrence is to reach his elite potential. The best scenario, in my opinion, would have Little replacing Robinson at left tackle and Scherff being released due to his combination of injuries, age and high cap figure. Cleveland would become the new starter at one guard spot and the other guard would be the winner of a competition between Cooper Hodges, Blake Hance, a 2024 draft pick and possibly Fortner. The center would likely need to be acquired via the 2024 draft- likely in round 2 if the Jaguars still have that pick due to the Ridley trade.

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I agree, I'm fine with his play this year, especially gutting it out with the shoulder like it is. If we could find a guard/center who could play that well for next year then we'll be good to go.

Our front office will have some very big decisions to make regarding our offensive line during the off-season. I agree with you about Harrison; he has played very well considering his shoulder issues. The remainder of the offensive line is not so certain. The following questions need to be answered:

1. Does the team keep Cam Robinson and Brandon Scherff due to their very high salary cap figures? 

2. Is Walker Little ready to become the full-time left tackle?

3. Does the team give Ezra Cleveland a new contract making him the starting left guard?

4. What do they do with Luke Fortner considering the liability he has been at center?

5. Who will emerge as the starting right guard?


The team needs to get these decisions right if the team is to take the next step and Lawrence is to reach his elite potential. The best scenario, in my opinion, would have Little replacing Robinson at left tackle and Scherff being released due to his combination of injuries, age and high cap figure. Cleveland would become the new starter at one guard spot and the other guard would be the winner of a competition between Cooper Hodges, Blake Hance, a 2024 draft pick and possibly Fortner. The center would likely need to be acquired via the 2024 draft- likely in round 2 if the Jaguars still have that pick due to the Ridley trade.

1. Definitely moving on from Cam and likely restructure Scherff.
2. He was ready last season.
3. Ezra will be the starting LG next year.
4. I'm replacing Fortner.
5. Signing a RG in FA if Scherff doesn't restructure and drafting one in round 2/3 to takeover in 2025.

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I agree, I'm fine with his play this year, especially gutting it out with the shoulder like it is. If we could find a guard/center who could play that well for next year then we'll be good to go.

Our front office will have some very big decisions to make regarding our offensive line during the off-season. I agree with you about Harrison; he has played very well considering his shoulder issues. The remainder of the offensive line is not so certain. The following questions need to be answered:

1. Does the team keep Cam Robinson and Brandon Scherff due to their very high salary cap figures? 

2. Is Walker Little ready to become the full-time left tackle?

3. Does the team give Ezra Cleveland a new contract making him the starting left guard?

4. What do they do with Luke Fortner considering the liability he has been at center?

5. Who will emerge as the starting right guard?


The team needs to get these decisions right if the team is to take the next step and Lawrence is to reach his elite potential. The best scenario, in my opinion, would have Little replacing Robinson at left tackle and Scherff being released due to his combination of injuries, age and high cap figure. Cleveland would become the new starter at one guard spot and the other guard would be the winner of a competition between Cooper Hodges, Blake Hance, a 2024 draft pick and possibly Fortner. The center would likely need to be acquired via the 2024 draft- likely in round 2 if the Jaguars still have that pick due to the Ridley trade.

1. Robinson out at LT - Little in at LT. Scherff may have already restructured earlier this year to get the cap down. 

2. Little should be ready. 

3. Cleveland probably starts at some point this year and that determines what they do with him. 

4. Fortner probably get moved to a back-up role or starts playing guard to replace Scherff in 2025. 

5. I think it's still Scherff in 2024. 

On top of all of that listed above? If this front office doesn't:

1. Sign one of the top three lineman available in March they're stupid. 
2. Draft one of the top three graded lineman at guard or center available in April's draft they're more stupid. 
3. Draft another top five - ten graded lineman at guard, center and even tackle that's available in April's draft they're extremely stupid. 

Moving forward. Lawrence's health and time in the pocket now should be the greatest cause of concern followed by maintaining and establishing a consistent pass rush on defense.

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Hargrave was whooping Little on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1724209516450025914

The whole clip is 3 or 4 man rushes getting home or disrupting the play.  For those not following, that means 7 or 8 defenders covering the 5 potential receivers and no time in the pocket to wait for guys to get open.   You will win a lot of games if your 4 man rush gets home that often.

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Hargrave was whooping Little on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1724209516450025914

The whole clip is 3 or 4 man rushes getting home or disrupting the play.  For those not following, that means 7 or 8 defenders covering the 5 potential receivers and no time in the pocket to wait for guys to get open.   You will win a lot of games if your 4 man rush gets home that often.

Yeah. Not very many teams have an elite front three, four man front like that. That's why we shouldn't expect this offense to play like that every game. It just means this team will continue to struggle against superior fronts. I would expect the same challenges when we play the tacks on Sunday, the Browns and the Ravens this year. 

While those three teams are nowhere near as elite as the 49ers, they still have at least one guy on their front that scares the hell out of you. Less stress and worry on the line as a whole but hopefully this coaching staff can put a gameplan together to keep Lawrence from getting shook inside the pocket. 

I think most folks realize this on here. I also think for the stat buffs on here that want to see Lawrence throw up these gaudy numbers? We don't need to. We haven't had to do that this year like last year when they went on a roll late in the 2nd half of the season. Our defense is playing better. Our offense will eventually have to rise to the challenge though. 

More than likely against the Ravens and Bengals. Which I think is really the two games we should be using as a measuring stick for this year's play-off run more than likely as we'll see one of those teams again potentially.

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Oops, it looks like Doug forgot to mention Walker Little.

"I just think they haven't played together for a length of time," Pederson said. "I think there's a lot of moving pieces there. OL [Anton Harrison] continues to improve each week, I said the other day that I thought he had one of his better performances against a really good front. Luke Fortner] and [[Brandon Scherff] are the staples there. [Cam Robinson] is Cam and that left guard spot has been a little bit of a revolving door right now. There's been some uneasiness there, but I think these guys, the more they play together, the more comfortable and confident they'll be in these next eight games."

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-hc-doug...lawrence-s-

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Oops, it looks like Doug forgot to mention Walker Little.

"I just think they haven't played together for a length of time," Pederson said. "I think there's a lot of moving pieces there. OL [Anton Harrison] continues to improve each week, I said the other day that I thought he had one of his better performances against a really good front. Luke Fortner] and [[Brandon Scherff] are the staples there. [Cam Robinson] is Cam and that left guard spot has been a little bit of a revolving door right now. There's been some uneasiness there, but I think these guys, the more they play together, the more comfortable and confident they'll be in these next eight games."

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-hc-doug...lawrence-s-

Fortner being a staple? Scherff being a staple? I mean, sure. If you mean by standing in place like a [BLEEP] staple instead of pushing guys back in the ground game or getting ripped off their assignment like a stapler remover at times. Sure, absolutely. Real staples to the offense.

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Is the line bad? yes. is it the worst? obviously not.... 

It's like you guys dont even watch other nfl games.

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Haha

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Is that photoshopped or for real?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I have noticed a lot of confusion in blocking assignments. The guys aren't on the same page many times.

New players and injuries mixed in with that makes it hard to be a cohesive unit.

It takes some time for a line to get everyone on the same page, to know what the guy next to you is going to do and he knowing what you are going to do in different situations. Defenses line up in too many ways to be to be able to draw up every possible scenario for every play on the chalk board. Linemen have to know how to adjust on the fly and still be on the same page as their fellow blockers. They have to see certain situations a few times to be able to coordinate how to work together to make the most effective blocks.

They may not be the best players, but they definitely can play better once they figure out how to coordinate better with each other and work as a unit.

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Is that photoshopped or for real?

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That’s a mischievous 3 there in front of the 1st lol

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Is that photoshopped or for real?

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Yes it's real.  You don't remember in training camp they printed out these shirts for the oline because there was some oline rankings by the media and they had them rated 31st only behind the Titans.  They printed them and handed them out to light a fire and to prove they were much better.  So far it has been a accurate ranking if we aren't 32nd

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They even knew it and this is fitting for the 31st page

Is that photoshopped or for real?

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It's real, but it's from training camp. They made the shirts because they were the 31st ranked OL in the league last season. It was suppose to serve as a reminder for this season that they stunk last year and to be better. Sad thing is they're just as bad, if not even worse this year LOL so the shirts still hold true.

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Living in NY I can tell you that both the giants and jets offensive lines are worse than the jags. I'd guess the jags o line would rank somewhere from 25th-28th.

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We=played ourselves with them shirts lol

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Things just need to get real, that's all. This will require Trevor to get the O line in a separate room and lay it out.

Trevor standing with hands on hips:

'Look guys, something needs to change. You all need to tighten up. This is going to have a potentially harmful effect on my contract negotiations, not to mention the endorsement deals I'm missing out on. Why, the next thing you know, that punk Stroud will be on State Farm commercials while I'm still hawking the services of some local orthopedic doctor.'

'Who's with me?!' (claps his hands and runs out the door alone)

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