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Walker Little does a radio endorsement for a local pest control company. The irony is thick.
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(11-14-2023, 02:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://x.com/J5_Sports1/status/17244767...25685?s=20

Yuck.

(11-14-2023, 02:40 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Walker Little does a radio endorsement for a local pest control company. The irony is thick.

Very dry and flat, too. Like his performance on Sunday.
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(11-14-2023, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: https://twitter.com/J5_Sports1/status/17...0501725685

Shatley at Center.
Cleveland at Left Guard.

Start there. If Harrison struggles at Right Tackle after that? Consider shutting him down until next year and kick Little over there. Failing to do anything at this point is just negligence at best and a great disservice to your Quarterback. If they refuse to make any changes? 

It falls back on Pederson, Taylor and Rauscher collectively in the coaching department. Because you're basically lying through your teeth when you speak to the media about these glaring issues. You either change the personnel, or, you change the play calling and fundamentals offensively to work around the weaknesses you choose to live with. 

Roll Baalke out there too. He deserves more than 50% of the blame for this mess.
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(11-14-2023, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: https://twitter.com/J5_Sports1/status/17...0501725685

Wait, so the offensive line is really that bad? Who would of imagined. 


There are some posters here that need to understand/accept that and realize how big of an impact it has on this team. Mind blows me people don't understand this.
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(11-15-2023, 10:05 AM)Hurricane Wrote:
(11-14-2023, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: https://twitter.com/J5_Sports1/status/17...0501725685

Wait, so the offensive line is really that bad? Who would of imagined. 


There are some posters here that need to understand/accept that and realize how big of an impact it has on this team. Mind blows me people don't understand this.

Some of us do. The problem? Nothing can change the base five personnel outside of the coaches. And, if they're not going to change the personnel? The only alternative left is the play calling, the formations, the designs and intent.

When you keep seeing 3rd and inches or 4th and inches in the shotgun formation? Look, I am sorry. But, my brain goes:

TE LT LG C RG RT TE           WR
              QB
               FB
                HB


Why are we NOT seeing that formation? Seriously? Can somebody answer that [BLEEP] question for me? You can't figure out a way to incorporate Farrell and Strange in those situations? Maybe get creative and place Engram there in the FB slot and then that one WR spot out there on an island? Put Ridley out there or give Cooks a chance with his size so maybe he can even box out a CB on a quick slant or run a [BLEEP] go route down the sideline.

Why is it that, on the flipside? Okay, folks keep saying the "line is what it is, we're going to struggle". Again, noted. Understood. However, why is it such a foreign concept to actually offer up or ponder different, basic formations such as the one above? There's options with that formation folks. 

It doesn't have to be a power run right up the [BLEEP] of Fortner with a 6th lineman in at FB or Engram trying to drive him into the interior further so Etienne or Johnson can get that inch or two to convert a down for another series. Do that a few times and maybe you get a defense over committing to the point to where a TE screen is now viable on either side or Engram can leak out into the flat from the FB position, or, I don't know. Maybe get a [BLEEP] safety coming up too close and leaving Ridley one-on-one with a CB to toast deep with route running.

If we need a split second or two for Lawrence to make a great throw? Give it to him. But, doing what we've been doing now for nine games is not cutting it folks.
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(11-15-2023, 10:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 10:05 AM)Hurricane Wrote: Wait, so the offensive line is really that bad? Who would of imagined. 


There are some posters here that need to understand/accept that and realize how big of an impact it has on this team. Mind blows me people don't understand this.

Some of us do. The problem? Nothing can change the base five personnel outside of the coaches. And, if they're not going to change the personnel? The only alternative left is the play calling, the formations, the designs and intent.

When you keep seeing 3rd and inches or 4th and inches in the shotgun formation? Look, I am sorry. But, my brain goes:

TE LT LG C RG RT TE           WR
              QB
               FB
                HB


Why are we NOT seeing that formation? Seriously? Can somebody answer that [BLEEP] question for me? You can't figure out a way to incorporate Farrell and Strange in those situations? Maybe get creative and place Engram there in the FB slot and then that one WR spot out there on an island? Put Ridley out there or give Cooks a chance with his size so maybe he can even box out a CB on a quick slant or run a [BLEEP] go route down the sideline.

Why is it that, on the flipside? Okay, folks keep saying the "line is what it is, we're going to struggle". Again, noted. Understood. However, why is it such a foreign concept to actually offer up or ponder different, basic formations such as the one above? There's options with that formation folks. 

It doesn't have to be a power run right up the [BLEEP] of Fortner with a 6th lineman in at FB or Engram trying to drive him into the interior further so Etienne or Johnson can get that inch or two to convert a down for another series. Do that a few times and maybe you get a defense over committing to the point to where a TE screen is now viable on either side or Engram can leak out into the flat from the FB position, or, I don't know. Maybe get a [BLEEP] safety coming up too close and leaving Ridley one-on-one with a CB to toast deep with route running.

If we need a split second or two for Lawrence to make a great throw? Give it to him. But, doing what we've been doing now for nine games is not cutting it folks.

Everyone freaked out last year and Doug was able to right the ship. We are in a way better position currently than we were last year. If we were 3-6 I could understand the freaking out. We are 6-3, until we are no longer above .500 or not leading the AFC South I'm not going to get worked up. IMO we are way ahead of schedule as a team than I think anyone actually imagined when Doug was first hired. He accumulated a team that literally picked #1 two years straight. We've already been one game away from the AFC Championship game and we are currently 6-3.
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(11-15-2023, 11:09 AM)Hurricane Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 10:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Some of us do. The problem? Nothing can change the base five personnel outside of the coaches. And, if they're not going to change the personnel? The only alternative left is the play calling, the formations, the designs and intent.

When you keep seeing 3rd and inches or 4th and inches in the shotgun formation? Look, I am sorry. But, my brain goes:

TE LT LG C RG RT TE           WR
              QB
               FB
                HB


Why are we NOT seeing that formation? Seriously? Can somebody answer that [BLEEP] question for me? You can't figure out a way to incorporate Farrell and Strange in those situations? Maybe get creative and place Engram there in the FB slot and then that one WR spot out there on an island? Put Ridley out there or give Cooks a chance with his size so maybe he can even box out a CB on a quick slant or run a [BLEEP] go route down the sideline.

Why is it that, on the flipside? Okay, folks keep saying the "line is what it is, we're going to struggle". Again, noted. Understood. However, why is it such a foreign concept to actually offer up or ponder different, basic formations such as the one above? There's options with that formation folks. 

It doesn't have to be a power run right up the [BLEEP] of Fortner with a 6th lineman in at FB or Engram trying to drive him into the interior further so Etienne or Johnson can get that inch or two to convert a down for another series. Do that a few times and maybe you get a defense over committing to the point to where a TE screen is now viable on either side or Engram can leak out into the flat from the FB position, or, I don't know. Maybe get a [BLEEP] safety coming up too close and leaving Ridley one-on-one with a CB to toast deep with route running.

If we need a split second or two for Lawrence to make a great throw? Give it to him. But, doing what we've been doing now for nine games is not cutting it folks.

Everyone freaked out last year and Doug was able to right the ship. We are in a way better position currently than we were last year. If we were 3-6 I could understand the freaking out. We are 6-3, until we are no longer above .500 or not leading the AFC South I'm not going to get worked up. IMO we are way ahead of schedule as a team than I think anyone actually imagined when Doug was first hired. He accumulated a team that literally picked #1 two years straight. We've already went to the AFC Championship game and we are currently 6-3.

We haven't went to the AFC Championship game with Doug
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(11-15-2023, 11:09 AM)Hurricane Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 10:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Some of us do. The problem? Nothing can change the base five personnel outside of the coaches. And, if they're not going to change the personnel? The only alternative left is the play calling, the formations, the designs and intent.

When you keep seeing 3rd and inches or 4th and inches in the shotgun formation? Look, I am sorry. But, my brain goes:

TE LT LG C RG RT TE           WR
              QB
               FB
                HB


Why are we NOT seeing that formation? Seriously? Can somebody answer that [BLEEP] question for me? You can't figure out a way to incorporate Farrell and Strange in those situations? Maybe get creative and place Engram there in the FB slot and then that one WR spot out there on an island? Put Ridley out there or give Cooks a chance with his size so maybe he can even box out a CB on a quick slant or run a [BLEEP] go route down the sideline.

Why is it that, on the flipside? Okay, folks keep saying the "line is what it is, we're going to struggle". Again, noted. Understood. However, why is it such a foreign concept to actually offer up or ponder different, basic formations such as the one above? There's options with that formation folks. 

It doesn't have to be a power run right up the [BLEEP] of Fortner with a 6th lineman in at FB or Engram trying to drive him into the interior further so Etienne or Johnson can get that inch or two to convert a down for another series. Do that a few times and maybe you get a defense over committing to the point to where a TE screen is now viable on either side or Engram can leak out into the flat from the FB position, or, I don't know. Maybe get a [BLEEP] safety coming up too close and leaving Ridley one-on-one with a CB to toast deep with route running.

If we need a split second or two for Lawrence to make a great throw? Give it to him. But, doing what we've been doing now for nine games is not cutting it folks.

Everyone freaked out last year and Doug was able to right the ship. We are in a way better position currently than we were last year. If we were 3-6 I could understand the freaking out. We are 6-3, until we are no longer above .500 or not leading the AFC South I'm not going to get worked up. IMO we are way ahead of schedule as a team than I think anyone actually imagined when Doug was first hired. He accumulated a team that literally picked #1 two years straight. We've already went to the AFC Championship game and we are currently 6-3.
Can very easily be outside looking in if they drop these next two games in a row. Losing to the tacks at home and the tinhorns on the road puts this team dangerously close to fighting for a 5th - 7th seed instead of holding a divisional seeding advantage.

It's a copy cat league. I hope the staff figures it out.

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(11-15-2023, 11:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 11:09 AM)Hurricane Wrote: Everyone freaked out last year and Doug was able to right the ship. We are in a way better position currently than we were last year. If we were 3-6 I could understand the freaking out. We are 6-3, until we are no longer above .500 or not leading the AFC South I'm not going to get worked up. IMO we are way ahead of schedule as a team than I think anyone actually imagined when Doug was first hired. He accumulated a team that literally picked #1 two years straight. We've already went to the AFC Championship game and we are currently 6-3.

We haven't went to the AFC Championship game with Doug

You are correct. Think I started a sentence and got distracted.
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(11-15-2023, 11:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 11:09 AM)Hurricane Wrote: Everyone freaked out last year and Doug was able to right the ship. We are in a way better position currently than we were last year. If we were 3-6 I could understand the freaking out. We are 6-3, until we are no longer above .500 or not leading the AFC South I'm not going to get worked up. IMO we are way ahead of schedule as a team than I think anyone actually imagined when Doug was first hired. He accumulated a team that literally picked #1 two years straight. We've already went to the AFC Championship game and we are currently 6-3.
Can very easily be outside looking in if they drop these next two games in a row. Losing to the tacks at home and the tinhorns on the road puts this team dangerously close to fighting for a 5th - 7th seed instead of holding a divisional seeding advantage.

It's a copy cat league. I hope the staff figures it out.

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I don't disagree. After last year I realize we do have a good coach. This is the nfl and anything can happen any given week. Just need to have faith the guys will get it done. 

Toward the beginning of the season we had different kind of issues that people were complaining about. Trev/Ridley, Run up the middle etc and looking back, it wasn't really a thing to worry about. We came out 6-3 from it. Just give it some time before we start blowing whistles. I understand the SF beat down was embarrassing, but it literally just happend and we were the lucky ones to get introduced to that new line that was, if not, super close to be fully healed. We won't be the last team to get mauled by them. Other teams are quite lucky to be able to see it before having to experience it. Lets give Doug and the group another week or two to see if the ship gets put on the correct path.
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(11-15-2023, 01:20 PM)Hurricane Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 11:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Can very easily be outside looking in if they drop these next two games in a row. Losing to the tacks at home and the tinhorns on the road puts this team dangerously close to fighting for a 5th - 7th seed instead of holding a divisional seeding advantage.

It's a copy cat league. I hope the staff figures it out.

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I don't disagree. After last year I realize we do have a good coach. This is the nfl and anything can happen any given week. Just need to have faith the guys will get it done. 

Toward the beginning of the season we had different kind of issues that people were complaining about. Trev/Ridley, Run up the middle etc and looking back, it wasn't really a thing to worry about. We came out 6-3 from it. Just give it some time before we start blowing whistles. I understand the SF beat down was embarrassing, but it literally just happend and we were the lucky ones to get introduced to that new line that was, if not, super close to be fully healed. We won't be the last team to get mauled by them. Other teams are quite lucky to be able to see it before having to experience it. Lets give Doug and the group another week or two to see if the ship gets put on the correct path.

Doug said something today that caught my ear. He said he's been questioning the players on their own individual preparation. As far as watching film, understanding the play calling on their end, the concepts, etc. At this time of the year they're already "recycling" the same play calls so they should have it down.

Again, I know that we're not going to play the 49ers every week. I know that teams are going to have their main staples offensively and defensively. Every team has a core set of principles and a fundamentally sound (in their opinion) foundation that they'll keep going to. The bread and butter stuff. The meat and potato stuff.

For me, it's when we keep seeing those same principles fail in the same situations. We're miserable on 3rd and short situations. We're miserable when we get inside the redzone. They have an awful habit of getting into a rhythm and then clamming up inside the redzone with turnovers or miscues. 

At some point, like it's been said, and I have heard this from former players as well, there has to be a point or two or three in a game where, the play caller calls a tendency breaker or palate cleanser. It doesn't have to be something that's completely out of left field from their foundation, BUT, it needs to be something that keeps the defense honest and enables the playbook and play caller to keep humming along. 

I think by incorporating some of these looks and play calls that I have suggested and many others have suggested all over the place. I think it could help elevate the offense. I think it could help take some pressure off of Lawrence. I think it could help the interior of the offensive line out. 

Something has been off all year this season on offense. All year through nine games. There's just an odd air to it and that funk needs to be dispelled sooner rather than later.
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Our 1st round pick has been bad this year. Harrison just hasn't been good. He hasn't played like a 1st round pick and I hope he improves. He's had 2 good games this year and the others have been bad. Hopefully he has a better game this week.
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(11-15-2023, 05:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Our 1st round pick has been bad this year.  Harrison just hasn't been good.  He hasn't played like a 1st round pick and I hope he improves.  He's had 2 good games this year and the others have been bad.  Hopefully he has a better game this week.

OK. Thanks.
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(11-15-2023, 05:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Our 1st round pick has been bad this year.  Harrison just hasn't been good.  He hasn't played like a 1st round pick and I hope he improves.  He's had 2 good games this year and the others have been bad.  Hopefully he has a better game this week.

Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.
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(11-16-2023, 09:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 05:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Our 1st round pick has been bad this year.  Harrison just hasn't been good.  He hasn't played like a 1st round pick and I hope he improves.  He's had 2 good games this year and the others have been bad.  Hopefully he has a better game this week.

Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.
I'm actually very encouraged by Harrison.

He's extremely young and he's been holding his own out there for the most part. Sure he's gotten beat by the most elite pass rushers in the league (Jones, Watt, Bosa) but I think he's going to be very good.

It's the interior of this line that's straight garbage.
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(11-16-2023, 09:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-16-2023, 09:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.
I'm actually very encouraged by Harrison.

He's extremely young and he's been holding his own out there for the most part. Sure he's gotten beat by the most elite pass rushers in the league (Jones, Watt, Bosa) but I think he's going to be very good.

It's the interior of this line that's straight garbage.

I agree, I'm fine with his play this year, especially gutting it out with the shoulder like it is. If we could find a guard/center who could play that well for next year then we'll be good to go.
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(11-16-2023, 09:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-16-2023, 09:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.
I'm actually very encouraged by Harrison.

He's extremely young and he's been holding his own out there for the most part. Sure he's gotten beat by the most elite pass rushers in the league (Jones, Watt, Bosa) but I think he's going to be very good.

It's the interior of this line that's straight garbage.

Agreed. I seldom look at the LT or RT when the football is snapped now. I look at the interior's feet first and look for an opponent shooting the gaps. 

We'll see what happens I guess with eight games left. At this point, just give me a divisional title and keep Lawrence healthy going into next year. 

I don't care if we get embarrassed and go one and done in the post season. It's expected at this point. I just want to see them sweep the tacks and get even with the tinhorns more than anything. Would make my year.
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According to Dempsey on the radio. Scherff is 2nd in blocking since week four at the guard position in pass protections. That's PFF I think. It's a tweet out there.

According to DiRoc, he's saying ESPN has him ranked 41st or something like that out of 60 some odd guards. Shatley is 55th. Cleveland is ranked 36th, middle of the pack, etc.

Interesting how everybody has this metric or that metric but nobody is really on the same page. So, fun stuff.

Edit:

DiRoc came back and said since week four, Scherff is still 31st or somewhere around there in pass blocking. And it was PFF grading him 2nd best. It's a tremendous difference.

Per DiRoc, they grade pass blocks on 2.5 seconds on ESPN. So, he's saying a good block in pass protection starts with a 2.5 threshold. However, Trevor is getting the football out on average in 2.4 seconds. 2nd only to Tua in that release regard.

The whole grading and metric system is a mess. There's really no clear cut consensus. Interesting how everything is measured.
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(11-16-2023, 09:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-15-2023, 05:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Our 1st round pick has been bad this year.  Harrison just hasn't been good.  He hasn't played like a 1st round pick and I hope he improves.  He's had 2 good games this year and the others have been bad.  Hopefully he has a better game this week.

Rookie lineman with persistent shoulder injury struggles in 1st NFL season. This is really not a surprise.

If thats affecting his play then he shouldn't be out there.  They need to let him heal up. Pressure isn't just coming from the interior, it's also coming from the edges
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