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(05-31-2024, 11:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 11:47 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: That's the first thing I thought of too.. But for some reason, I think we're seeing action on this one.

We will see. Red state DAs need to start arresting major democrats. That's how you play this game

This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.
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(05-31-2024, 04:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 11:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: We will see. Red state DAs need to start arresting major democrats. That's how you play this game

This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.

Do you really consider them moderates anymore though? Because from what I've been reading, a majority of the moderates are just as upset because of the verdict (maybe they've finally realized that a guilty verdict united a country against them? idk)

But maybe it's time to start believing these people when they tell you whom they really are. Maybe you can reach some, but the ones still denying are a lost cause.
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(05-31-2024, 01:36 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 12:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: Presidents have little effect on the real-time economy.  It does not make sense to judge a President based on economic performance during their term, even if they invite you to do so.

We should just go back to 0% interest rates, stimulus checks, and substantially run up our government deficit.  Life was good back then so why not continue to do what works?  What could possibly go wrong.

A President can't unilaterally create 0% interest or large changes to budgets.

But yes, obviously if we magically turned the dials of interest and tax rates back to where they were when Trump was in office, inflation would spiral out of control.  Those were (probably) the appropriate settings then, but not now.
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(05-31-2024, 02:17 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 12:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: Presidents have little effect on the real-time economy.  It does not make sense to judge a President based on economic performance during their term, even if they invite you to do so.

Disagree.  The stock market returns and its whims might fit the above narrative, but the actual economy can be influenced and often is, sometimes significantly so, by federal, state or local policy.  If a politician can point to economic results that are tied to a specific policy, they'd be right to do so and foolish not to.  And we'd be foolish to brush it aside as "well he/she doesn't really have any control over the results".

The stock market is often a leading indicator of economic activity.  However, last year, the Magnificent 7 tech stocks pretty much carried the markets, whereas if you excluded their returns from the indices you would have gotten a much different picture of the stock market, one that more closely matched prevailing sentiment on the economy.  This year may not be to the same extent as last year with Tesla down almost 30% YTD as I type, but an equal weight Magnificent 7 is still up over 24% YTD with Nvidia more than doubling in the past 5 months.  That doesn't match my view of what's going on with the economy.  The Nasdaq itself, which is not an equal weighted index but includes the Magnificent 7, is up 11% YTD.  The equal weighted Nasdaq 100, which includes the Magnificent 7, is up only around 2.5% YTD.   For those that follow what I'm saying, you can see the impact 7 stocks are having on the "market" returns.  I'm sure you'd see something similar on the S&P returns and perhaps I'll take a look at that when I have a few more moments. 

Presidents don't generally have policies targeting one or a handful of companies to be able to claim anything about their individual stock performance(s), but Presidential economic policies absolutely produce economic results during their terms and sometimes beyond.

Yes, there are specific cases where a specific policy change can be connected to good economic results, but most changes in the economy are driven by things that Presidents and members of Congress don't even think about.

I completely agree that the economy is not as good today as the stock market suggests it is. And low unemployment is good, but it doesn't mean much when real wages are slowly shrinking. Biden has to insist the economy is great, but (to my point) he shouldn't have to, and (to your point) it ain't.
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(05-31-2024, 04:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 11:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: We will see. Red state DAs need to start arresting major democrats. That's how you play this game

This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.

You only get to call me pseudointellectual if you're actually smarter than me.  Meh.  Maybe you are.
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(05-31-2024, 06:30 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 04:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.

You only get to call me pseudointellectual if you're actually smarter than me.  Meh.  Maybe you are.

Checking back in to see if you ever came up with someone that was killed on January 6th that isn't named Ashley Babbitt.
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(05-31-2024, 06:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 06:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: You only get to call me pseudointellectual if you're actually smarter than me.  Meh.  Maybe you are.

Checking back in to see if you ever came up with someone that was killed on January 6th that isn't named Ashley Babbitt.

There was a police officer who died later, probably from getting his head beaten with blunt objects, but that's not relevant. People died.  Period. You're trying to start a conversation about if the officer was right to shoot her, but that's off topic and we've already had that conversation.
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(05-31-2024, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 06:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Checking back in to see if you ever came up with someone that was killed on January 6th that isn't named Ashley Babbitt.

There was a police officer who died later, probably from getting his head beaten with blunt objects, but that's not relevant. People died.  Period. You're trying to start a conversation about if the officer was right to shoot her, but that's off topic and we've already had that conversation.

Are you referring to Brian Sicknick who died of natural causes?
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(05-31-2024, 12:07 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 11:59 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: Falsifying guilt to help a political opponent.

You do realize, they had a trial, and there was a conviction.  So I don't think you can charge them with "falsifying guilt," unless you have some evidence of that, and I assume if any evidence of that existed, it would have come out at the trial.

How could anything come out in a trial where a judge restricts the defense from defending itself?
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(05-31-2024, 06:59 PM)copycat Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 12:07 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: You do realize, they had a trial, and there was a conviction.  So I don't think you can charge them with "falsifying guilt," unless you have some evidence of that, and I assume if any evidence of that existed, it would have come out at the trial.

How could anything come out in a trial where a judge restricts the defense from defending itself?

It was Mission Accomplished for the Dems.. All they wanted was to finally be able to give Biden a talking point for the debates. Nobody with at least half a mind is buying it though. Even the Dems understand that once it reaches Appellate Court, it'll get tossed like a TLaw button hook. 

Dog and Pony show..
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(05-31-2024, 06:59 PM)copycat Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 12:07 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: You do realize, they had a trial, and there was a conviction.  So I don't think you can charge them with "falsifying guilt," unless you have some evidence of that, and I assume if any evidence of that existed, it would have come out at the trial.

How could anything come out in a trial where a judge restricts the defense from defending itself?

That's what appeals are for.  Judges always have to make decisions about what arguments the lawyers can present to the jury because that then becomes the questions that the judge will ask the jury at the end.

But this judge did not do a good job.
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(05-31-2024, 07:04 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 06:59 PM)copycat Wrote: How could anything come out in a trial where a judge restricts the defense from defending itself?

That's what appeals are for.  Judges always have to make decisions about what arguments the lawyers can present to the jury because that then becomes the questions that the judge will ask the jury at the end.

But this judge did not do a good job.

I am amazed/curious/stupified et al that you can admit that this trial was a sham yet still defend it.
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I think I'll leave this right here lolololol

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(This post was last modified: 05-31-2024, 08:21 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(05-31-2024, 07:15 PM)copycat Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 07:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's what appeals are for.  Judges always have to make decisions about what arguments the lawyers can present to the jury because that then becomes the questions that the judge will ask the jury at the end.

But this judge did not do a good job.

I am amazed/curious/stupified et al that you can admit that this trial was a sham yet still defend it.

The jury did their job.  The judge presented them with loaded questions but the answers were yes.  I thought at least one juror would call BS on it, but alas. 

There are three other cases, where the facts and law are clearer.  In the GA case, the prosecutor has been overly ambitious and indicted too many co-conspirators, so that takes time, and in the federal cases the judges are doing a bad job in that they refuse to issue final rulings on what can and can not be presented to a jury.

Sometimes you get a judge who has no caution, and sometimes you get a judge who is too cautious.  

So I'll definitely agree with you that he should never have been tried this way in New York, but in return I expect you to agree with me that by now trials should have already been completed in the other three cases.
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If judge sentences him to jail or prison, all hell breaks loose in this country and most definitely the SC has to step in.
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(05-31-2024, 09:15 PM)Jagger Wrote: If judge sentences him to jail or prison, all hell breaks loose in this country and most definitely the SC has to step in.

In NY, unless you plead guilty, or have a violent history, or are a flight risk, sentences are always suspended pending appeal.

He's not going to prison in NY.  Not from this proceeding anyways.
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(05-31-2024, 04:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 11:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: We will see. Red state DAs need to start arresting major democrats. That's how you play this game

This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.
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(05-31-2024, 09:57 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(05-31-2024, 04:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This is the way. The simpletons with TDS would finally speak out against the weaponization of law as soon as every MSM outlet started shaking their fists at the behest of their corporate overlords. I am trying so hard to be civil, but moderates are killing this country. Mikey's pseudointellectualism, Marty's enabling, NYC's arrogance, Cleatwood's indifference, Hurricane's mockery. Whatever form it takes, it stems from the same ignorance and backed by the same laziness and comfort.
I made the cut!

Let’s go!

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