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And this is what I don’t understand. We let “Hands of Stone” Ridley walk. Zay is gone, who had some drop problems. But when Engram and Kirk, your two most sure handed receivers are not catching? I don’t understand.


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Fix the O-Line!

On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.

It was a bad play... For sure.  And the call/concept of that play was destined for failure...

But with that said...  If I remember correctly, ETN ran out to the flat for a release/check-down.  Trevor should have been keying on that.  The fact that he wasn't even looking in that direction is concerning. Of course, he was running for his life.  I'm not blaming it on Trevor.  But it was obvious that play call was never considered to be something used on that particular down and distance.

The coaching staff just doesn't really have the team prepared.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I’m over this coaching staff and front office. If Doug doesn’t get his head out of the sand, come the bye week we need to give Nielsen a test drive. At the [bold] current [/bold] level of play, I don’t see a win until week 7.


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Fix the O-Line!

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Yeah, there were several receivers coming open about half a second before Trevor realized his goose was cooked...

I don't know, man.  It's just so frustrating watching this team.  ETN chipping in the middle would have probably been a better concept.  But whatever, it's just not good enough.  Coaching, O-Line.  I guess you can blame it 50/50? 

I'm sure old school fans will say it's more 80/20.  But to me, it just seems like there are other teams that do so much more with just about the same in terms of O-Line.  And yet we have a real QB that most teams don't have...  That to me, is why I am so hard on this coaching staff.  They've had plenty of time to figure it all out.  And yet they just play so conservative when boldness will prevail.  And then when they need to be conservative, they dam the torpedoes before even flooding the tubes.

Another part of is that usually more often then not, saavy franchises draft lineman every year even if in later rounds. Jars on the shelf as Vic would call them. But no….That’s just not cool around these parts

We do darft linemen, we just wait till day 3. The problem this year was the darft was stacked with good ones, at positions we needed to fill and they were gobbled up by day 2.

@On the plus side, if we keep stanking up the Sundays we'll be in GREAT position to pass on them next year.@

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When you watch good teams with good HC/OC, they get to the line with at least 15 seconds and then they run motion and change up their formations. 

Our team can barely make it to the line with 5 seconds, and then we just run the play, with maybe a WR crossing the line.  And Trevor has to get the play off within seconds.  Don't think for one second that the D isn't getting an advantage off the snap when they know it's coming within a couple seconds.  That doesn't help our mediocre O-Line at all.  This offense can't even figure out what to run.  It's embarrasing that we still have so many delay of games or TOs that have to be called in situations normal teams handle with no problem.

Why is it that we can't get out of the huddle efficiently?  Is Trevor not smart enough to understand the play call?  Or is something else?

This is the biggest part of that hurried-up snap count. We are setting the D up to succeed.

I don't know if they are getting fancy with subs or if Press just can't remember one play into the future, but they should be planning the next move well before the current play is whistled dead. Seems like they are waiting to see what happens and then choosing to figure out the next action.

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It was a bad play... For sure.  And the call/concept of that play was destined for failure...

But with that said...  If I remember correctly, ETN ran out to the flat for a release/check-down.  Trevor should have been keying on that.  The fact that he wasn't even looking in that direction is concerning. Of course, he was running for his life.  I'm not blaming it on Trevor.  But it was obvious that play call was never considered to be something used on that particular down and distance.

The coaching staff just doesn't really have the team prepared.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I’m over this coaching staff and front office. If Doug doesn’t get his head out of the sand, come the bye week we need to give Nielsen a test drive. At the [bold] current [/bold] level of play, I don’t see a win until week 7.


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His assessment was 100% wrong. The play call was perfect and about to hit a Vikings like 98 yarder to BTj. The left tackle blocked Garrett perfectly pushing him up the field and behind the QB, the right side pushed their guys up and out past the QB as well; the failure was the left guard and center, the double team on the tackle  to create the pocket bubble, completely blew their block. How can a [BLEEP] double team, put there specifically because that was the design for the deep route, fail so badly? #becausejaguars. But some guys see that and cry about the play call when our 5 guys couldn't stop their 4 from a safety. It was a blown play and COMPLETELY on the left guard. Which sucks because it was about the only pass play he missed all game. They just find different ways to screw up the big plays over and over again.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I’m over this coaching staff and front office. If Doug doesn’t get his head out of the sand, come the bye week we need to give Nielsen a test drive. At the [bold] current [/bold] level of play, I don’t see a win until week 7.


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His assessment was 100% wrong. The play call was perfect and about to hit a Vikings like 98 yarder to BTj. The left tackle blocked Garrett perfectly pushing him up the field and behind the QB, the right side pushed their guys up and out past the QB as well; the failure was the left guard and center, the double team on the tackle  to create the pocket bubble, completely blew their block. How can a [BLEEP] double team, put there specifically because that was the design for the deep route, fail so badly? #becausejaguars. But some guys see that and cry about the play call when our 5 guys couldn't stop their 4 from a safety. It was a blown play and COMPLETELY on the left guard. Which sucks because it was about the only pass play he missed all game. They just find different ways to screw up the big plays over and over again.

Watching the clip again - this is accurate ^

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TL update. After 2 week TL's PFF ranking is below:

Position rank - 11th of 33
Offense 73%
Pass 69.40%
Run 80.40%
Run Block 60%

Seems he needs to work out a little more on the blocking dummies.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

His assessment was 100% wrong. The play call was perfect and about to hit a Vikings like 98 yarder to BTj. The left tackle blocked Garrett perfectly pushing him up the field and behind the QB, the right side pushed their guys up and out past the QB as well; the failure was the left guard and center, the double team on the tackle  to create the pocket bubble, completely blew their block. How can a [BLEEP] double team, put there specifically because that was the design for the deep route, fail so badly? #becausejaguars. But some guys see that and cry about the play call when our 5 guys couldn't stop their 4 from a safety. It was a blown play and COMPLETELY on the left guard. Which sucks because it was about the only pass play he missed all game. They just find different ways to screw up the big plays over and over again.

Watching the clip again - this is accurate ^

The difference is the formation. Darnold was under center and play action was used. It gave his line enough time to buy with somewhat of an element of guess work there.

We went gun, 5 yards deep in our own endzone and no play action at all. Again, two things can be true at once guys.

The call and concept can be [BLEEP] just like the player's performances. Why would you even attempt that knowing he was sacked 3x earlier before then and he had a fumble that we thankfully recovered?

We have a problem. Not just with personnel. It's also coaching. It was 1st and 10. There was no reason to go for that there. It's just bad decision making from the staff. Stop defending amateur hour coaching decisions.

These guys know what they have up front better than we do. They clearly see the same issues we do. Simplification was needed there. Not a [BLEEP] play call that you would normally make from the 50 yard line after a decent run or two was chained together.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So in two weeks he's basically had the middle of the pack in average time to throw and he's putting a ton of air under his passes with each attempt.

Sounds like we should be better than 0 - 2 then. Sounds like a coaching issue and personnel issue starting with not being able to read and react from the pocket effectively, passes being dropped or bad play designs.

We know about the 5/19 on 3rd downs, the drops, the mental errors in the redzone. We know about the short yardage runs being an issue in short yardage downs.

Interesting start to the year.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Watching the clip again - this is accurate ^

The difference is the formation. Darnold was under center and play action was used. It gave his line enough time to buy with somewhat of an element of guess work there.

We went gun, 5 yards deep in our own endzone and no play action at all. Again, two things can be true at once guys.

The call and concept can be [BLEEP] just like the player's performances. Why would you even attempt that knowing he was sacked 3x earlier before then and he had a fumble that we thankfully recovered?

We have a problem. Not just with personnel. It's also coaching. It was 1st and 10. There was no reason to go for that there. It's just bad decision making from the staff. Stop defending amateur hour coaching decisions.

These guys know what they have up front better than we do. They clearly see the same issues we do. Simplification was needed there. Not a [BLEEP] play call that you would normally make from the 50 yard line after a decent run or two was chained together.

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And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

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The difference is the formation. Darnold was under center and play action was used. It gave his line enough time to buy with somewhat of an element of guess work there.

We went gun, 5 yards deep in our own endzone and no play action at all. Again, two things can be true at once guys.

The call and concept can be [BLEEP] just like the player's performances. Why would you even attempt that knowing he was sacked 3x earlier before then and he had a fumble that we thankfully recovered?

We have a problem. Not just with personnel. It's also coaching. It was 1st and 10. There was no reason to go for that there. It's just bad decision making from the staff. Stop defending amateur hour coaching decisions.

These guys know what they have up front better than we do. They clearly see the same issues we do. Simplification was needed there. Not a [BLEEP] play call that you would normally make from the 50 yard line after a decent run or two was chained together.

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And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

If your QB gets sacked there for a safety. How was the call and concept perfect? You're living in a fantasy land within a results based sport. It's situational football at the end of the day.

That call makes no sense there on 1st and 10. Especially when you KNOW your offensive line has struggled already in this game with pressure.

Especially when you KNOW Garrett is an MVP caliber EDGE.

This staff just said "[BLEEP] it, we're in our own endzone, let's go 5 yards deeper and just make it an obvious pass formation, against one of the better units and secondaries in the NFL".

Dumb. It's [BLEEP] dumb. Defend it all you want. Blame the players all you want. The coaches continue to throw these players into calls that they can't swim in.

I appreciate the confidence I guess.


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Ok. So which analyzer or analyist is full of [BLEEP]? Because on another chart they have Lawrence in the middle of the road with an average of 2.7 seconds to throw the football with plenty of air behind his passes, leading me to believe his throwimg motion and mechanics are not being effected as much in his pass attempts.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You're "it didn't work so it was wrong" is exactly what's wrong with most of the "analysis" going on here.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The difference is the formation. Darnold was under center and play action was used. It gave his line enough time to buy with somewhat of an element of guess work there.

We went gun, 5 yards deep in our own endzone and no play action at all. Again, two things can be true at once guys.

The call and concept can be [BLEEP] just like the player's performances. Why would you even attempt that knowing he was sacked 3x earlier before then and he had a fumble that we thankfully recovered?

We have a problem. Not just with personnel. It's also coaching. It was 1st and 10. There was no reason to go for that there. It's just bad decision making from the staff. Stop defending amateur hour coaching decisions.

These guys know what they have up front better than we do. They clearly see the same issues we do. Simplification was needed there. Not a [BLEEP] play call that you would normally make from the 50 yard line after a decent run or two was chained together.

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And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

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You're "it didn't work so it was wrong" is exactly what's wrong with most of the "analysis" going on here.

Yeah. That's how it goes. That's the difference between wins and losses in most sports.

If anything, it's the staff's failed "analysis" along with this front offices failed "analysis" with their roster.

I am not the one out there trotting out a unit designed to run a west coast finesse offense and calling for them to run it in short yardage situations over and over again like they're the 1980's Joe Gibb's Washington offense.

We don't have a Russ Grimm out there saying "40 gut" or "50 gut". We don't have a John Riggins back there revving up like a Diesel truck with the media box blasting the horn everytime we pick up 10 yards.

So, tell the coaches to stop acting like they do.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You're "it didn't work so it was wrong" is exactly what's wrong with most of the "analysis" going on here.

Yeah. That's how it goes. That's the difference between wins and losses in most sports.

If anything, it's the staff's failed "analysis" along with this front offices failed "analysis" with their roster.

I am not the one out there trotting out a unit designed to run a west coast finesse offense and calling for them to run it in short yardage situations over and over again like they're the 1980's Joe Gibb's Washington offense.

We don't have a Russ Grimm out there saying "40 gut" or "50 gut". We don't have a John Riggins back there revving up like a Diesel truck with the media box blasting the horn everytime we pick up 10 yards.

So, tell the coaches to stop acting like they do.

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The difference in win and loss on that one play was Ezra Cleveland. I'm just shocked people haven't blamed the kicker yet since he doinked that field goal. Usually he'd be spitted over an open fire about now.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah. That's how it goes. That's the difference between wins and losses in most sports.

If anything, it's the staff's failed "analysis" along with this front offices failed "analysis" with their roster.

I am not the one out there trotting out a unit designed to run a west coast finesse offense and calling for them to run it in short yardage situations over and over again like they're the 1980's Joe Gibb's Washington offense.

We don't have a Russ Grimm out there saying "40 gut" or "50 gut". We don't have a John Riggins back there revving up like a Diesel truck with the media box blasting the horn everytime we pick up 10 yards.

So, tell the coaches to stop acting like they do.

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The difference in win and loss on that one play was Ezra Cleveland. I'm just shocked people haven't blamed the kicker yet since he doinked that field goal. Usually he'd be spitted over an open fire about now.

We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

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The difference in win and loss on that one play was Ezra Cleveland. I'm just shocked people haven't blamed the kicker yet since he doinked that field goal. Usually he'd be spitted over an open fire about now.

We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

A good and overlooked point there. The play caller ran something in short yardage that worked. But it was destroyed by 1 player making a mistake. Exactly the same as the safety, but folks wanna [BLEEP] about play calling as it it would fix these individual errors.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The difference in win and loss on that one play was Ezra Cleveland. I'm just shocked people haven't blamed the kicker yet since he doinked that field goal. Usually he'd be spitted over an open fire about now.

We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

Both games were close enough that one of a variety of plays could have won the game for us.  What if Etienne doesn't fumble?  What if the Cleveland punter doesn't punt the ball out of bounds on the 1-yard line when we had momentum?  Really, we lost very close games to two good teams.

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And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

If you ignore the reality that our O-Line is not good, then every single call is going to be "perfect".  What a weird thing to say.  "Well, if everything worked perfectly, then it was the perfect call".  Please.  It's beyond ridiculous.

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