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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)


Trevor is not without his faults. He should have hung in the pocket a tad longer and hit BTJ on a slant near the goal line.

However, he was pressured on 48% of his drops yesterday. But if you ask me, this team is doing him no favors. From the blocking to the gameplans to the play calls.... They're ruining him. And eventually, he is going to get sick of it and be out of town.
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(09-16-2024, 12:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Trevor is not without his faults. He should have hung in the pocket a tad longer and hit BTJ on a slant near the goal line.

However, he was pressured on 48% of his drops yesterday. But if you ask me, this team is doing him no favors. From the blocking to the gameplans to the play calls.... They're ruining him. And eventually, he is going to get sick of it and be out of town.

I just heard a clip of him on the radio and he emphasized that his criticisms apply to him as well. 

He sounds very frustrated and a little pissed.
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I need Doug to answer why Trevor can't reach the potential so many people say he has.

What's not working, Doug?
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(09-16-2024, 12:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 12:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Yep.

If that line could have bought him 1.5 seconds before he had to flush he had Kirk wide open for a walk in TD over the middle.

Bad play design and call. The idea that the QB should have 2.0 seconds before the line collapses just isn't today's NFL.

LOL

I almost thought you were srs
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https://x.com/RobinsLucas/status/1835728...YGcMg&s=19

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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(09-16-2024, 09:25 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 04:33 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Plot twist

Trevor starts channeling the Urban vibe and starts kicking Press

'Make your [BLEEP] playcalls'

Smile

Oh man, this is exactly the vibe they need.

GET bleepin' ANGRY, BOYS

It may happen after seeing Trevor in that press conference!
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(09-16-2024, 12:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Trevor needs to tighten up. Many of the incompletions are the result of miscues elsewhere, but he has to start finding a way to get the ball out quicker on these 3rd and med./long downs. He must know at this point the line isn't going to buy him 2.5 seconds or more when the defense is sending pressure. I'll have to look at the all22 when it's out - but I find it hard to believe the plays aren't giving him viable check downs. If they aren't - the staff has some 'splaining to do.

On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.
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(09-16-2024, 03:54 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://x.com/RobinsLucas/status/1835728...YGcMg&s=19

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(09-16-2024, 04:03 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 09:25 AM)Mikey Wrote: Oh man, this is exactly the vibe they need.

GET bleepin' ANGRY, BOYS

It may happen after seeing Trevor in that press conference!

At this point he's enough of the payroll that he should have Shad, Trent, and Doug's ears when it comes to calling for better organization, playcalling, whatever is needed not to put him in situations where we are scrambling just to get a ball snapped.
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(09-16-2024, 04:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 03:54 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://x.com/RobinsLucas/status/1835728...YGcMg&s=19

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(This post was last modified: 09-16-2024, 05:16 PM by carp8dm. Edited 1 time in total.)

(09-16-2024, 04:09 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 12:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Trevor needs to tighten up. Many of the incompletions are the result of miscues elsewhere, but he has to start finding a way to get the ball out quicker on these 3rd and med./long downs. He must know at this point the line isn't going to buy him 2.5 seconds or more when the defense is sending pressure. I'll have to look at the all22 when it's out - but I find it hard to believe the plays aren't giving him viable check downs. If they aren't - the staff has some 'splaining to do.

On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.

It was a bad play... For sure.  And the call/concept of that play was destined for failure...

But with that said...  If I remember correctly, ETN ran out to the flat for a release/check-down.  Trevor should have been keying on that.  The fact that he wasn't even looking in that direction is concerning. Of course, he was running for his life.  I'm not blaming it on Trevor.  But it was obvious that play call was never considered to be something used on that particular down and distance.

The coaching staff just doesn't really have the team prepared.
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(09-16-2024, 04:09 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 12:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Trevor needs to tighten up. Many of the incompletions are the result of miscues elsewhere, but he has to start finding a way to get the ball out quicker on these 3rd and med./long downs. He must know at this point the line isn't going to buy him 2.5 seconds or more when the defense is sending pressure. I'll have to look at the all22 when it's out - but I find it hard to believe the plays aren't giving him viable check downs. If they aren't - the staff has some 'splaining to do.

On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.
They were a half second away on that safety from Trevor and BTJ being heroes.

Thanks Cleveland and Morse!
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(09-16-2024, 12:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...6905079853

https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...8011605068

[BLEEP] Morse and Cleveland in both of these clips.... 1st one is at the very least, a big gain to BTJ if not a touchdown if those two clowns can hold a 2v1 for even half a second. BTJ cooked his dude.

2nd one, Morse gets blown up and Cleveland doesn't do anything... He doesn't block anybody. Still, if ETN doesn't slip that's a TD (as long as he catches it of course).
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(09-16-2024, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 12:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...6905079853

https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...8011605068

[BLEEP] Morse and Cleveland in both of these clips.... 1st one is at the very least, a big gain to BTJ if not a touchdown if those two clowns can hold a 2v1 for even half a second. BTJ cooked his dude.

2nd one, Morse gets blown up and Cleveland doesn't do anything... He doesn't block anybody. Still, if ETN doesn't slip that's a TD (as long as he catches it of course).

Dang, I didn't see that angle.  I thought ETN was open in the flat, but he was clearly covered...
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(09-16-2024, 05:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [BLEEP] Morse and Cleveland in both of these clips.... 1st one is at the very least, a big gain to BTJ if not a touchdown if those two clowns can hold a 2v1 for even half a second. BTJ cooked his dude.

2nd one, Morse gets blown up and Cleveland doesn't do anything... He doesn't block anybody. Still, if ETN doesn't slip that's a TD (as long as he catches it of course).

Dang, I didn't see that angle.  I thought ETN was open in the flat, but he was clearly covered...

Yea if he dumps that off to ETN, he has to make that guy miss, or he's likely only picking up a yard or two. That's if he's even able to get out of the endzone.

Kirk and BTJ are open, but Trevor was clearly going for that shot to BTJ and they had it. But our bum [BLEEP] OL said nope.
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(09-16-2024, 06:04 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 05:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Dang, I didn't see that angle.  I thought ETN was open in the flat, but he was clearly covered...

Yea if he dumps that off to ETN, he has to make that guy miss, or he's likely only picking up a yard or two. That's if he's even able to get out of the endzone.

Kirk and BTJ are open, but Trevor was clearly going for that shot to BTJ and they had it. But our bum [BLEEP] OL said nope.

Yeah, there were several receivers coming open about half a second before Trevor realized his goose was cooked...

I don't know, man.  It's just so frustrating watching this team.  ETN chipping in the middle would have probably been a better concept.  But whatever, it's just not good enough.  Coaching, O-Line.  I guess you can blame it 50/50? 

I'm sure old school fans will say it's more 80/20.  But to me, it just seems like there are other teams that do so much more with just about the same in terms of O-Line.  And yet we have a real QB that most teams don't have...  That to me, is why I am so hard on this coaching staff.  They've had plenty of time to figure it all out.  And yet they just play so conservative when boldness will prevail.  And then when they need to be conservative, they dam the torpedoes before even flooding the tubes.
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(09-16-2024, 06:25 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 06:04 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Yea if he dumps that off to ETN, he has to make that guy miss, or he's likely only picking up a yard or two. That's if he's even able to get out of the endzone.

Kirk and BTJ are open, but Trevor was clearly going for that shot to BTJ and they had it. But our bum [BLEEP] OL said nope.

Yeah, there were several receivers coming open about half a second before Trevor realized his goose was cooked...

I don't know, man.  It's just so frustrating watching this team.  ETN chipping in the middle would have probably been a better concept.  But whatever, it's just not good enough.  Coaching, O-Line.  I guess you can blame it 50/50? 

I'm sure old school fans will say it's more 80/20.  But to me, it just seems like there are other teams that do so much more with just about the same in terms of O-Line.  And yet we have a real QB that most teams don't have...  That to me, is why I am so hard on this coaching staff.  They've had plenty of time to figure it all out.  And yet they just play so conservative when boldness will prevail.  And then when they need to be conservative, they dam the torpedoes before even flooding the tubes.

Another part of is that usually more often then not, saavy franchises draft lineman every year even if in later rounds. Jars on the shelf as Vic would call them. But no….That’s just not cool around these parts
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(This post was last modified: 09-16-2024, 06:33 PM by JagFan81.)

(09-16-2024, 05:19 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 04:09 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.
They were a half second away on that safety from Trevor and BTJ being heroes.

Thanks Cleveland and Morse!

That's another frustration. Those are 2 guys with more than enough experience and talent to be able to deal with that. It wasn't even like the Browns player made some incredible move.

These are those fine margins were always on the wrong side of lately and they are just killing us.

(09-16-2024, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 12:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...6905079853

https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...8011605068

[BLEEP] Morse and Cleveland in both of these clips.... 1st one is at the very least, a big gain to BTJ if not a touchdown if those two clowns can hold a 2v1 for even half a second. BTJ cooked his dude.

2nd one, Morse gets blown up and Cleveland doesn't do anything... He doesn't block anybody. Still, if ETN doesn't slip that's a TD (as long as he catches it of course).

The 2nd one was real frustrating too. Had the TD chalked off play before and that could/should have been a TD. Then next play Harrison gets destroyed and we settle for 3. 

There was one play where Trevor saw the blitz coming from his left and just straight ran right and threw to Etienne. He just knew the rush was getting to him. We've got these deep threats but just can't use them at the moment.
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When you watch good teams with good HC/OC, they get to the line with at least 15 seconds and then they run motion and change up their formations.

Our team can barely make it to the line with 5 seconds, and then we just run the play, with maybe a WR crossing the line. And Trevor has to get the play off within seconds. Don't think for one second that the D isn't getting an advantage off the snap when they know it's coming within a couple seconds. That doesn't help our mediocre O-Line at all. This offense can't even figure out what to run. It's embarrasing that we still have so many delay of games or TOs that have to be called in situations normal teams handle with no problem.

Why is it that we can't get out of the huddle efficiently? Is Trevor not smart enough to understand the play call? Or is something else?
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(09-16-2024, 05:16 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 04:09 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: On the sack for the safety we had 4 receivers but only one is looking back at Trevor before he gets hit. It was a stupid playcall for the situation. They run all day on 2nd down but on the 1 yard line lets go deep.

Everyone has a part in what's going wrong right now. Players performances, coaching, playcalls, gameplanning, adjustments, execution, mistakes, penalties, the list is endless.

It's all these things added up together that's beating us. We've had some really good spells in both games but when we start to play badly, we absolutely screw ourselves.

It was a bad play... For sure.  And the call/concept of that play was destined for failure...

But with that said...  If I remember correctly, ETN ran out to the flat for a release/check-down.  Trevor should have been keying on that.  The fact that he wasn't even looking in that direction is concerning. Of course, he was running for his life.  I'm not blaming it on Trevor.  But it was obvious that play call was never considered to be something used on that particular down and distance.

The coaching staff just doesn't really have the team prepared.

Even if Trevor is "looking for" ETN is there, the pressure was coming from that direction. He would have basically be throwing out there blind and probably floating it since he couldn't step into it.
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