So your take is that he had one good season therefore he can remain consistent with the right coaches? Lol, by the way -  those were the same coaches that helped him get there.....   

His ball placement has been pretty mid his whole NFL career. This is usually the number 1 quality you see in underwhelming QBs who seem to have all the tools.

His accuracy has above average in 2022 and even in 2023 when he got injured.  His deep balls have always been pretty good, except for the start of this year.

The coaches from 2021 to 2022 absolutely should get credit for his exponential improvment.  But the QB coach that was there in 2022 left after the season.  And he hasn't developed further from there.  

Remember, Cooter left after 2022.  

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree that Lawrence is washed.  He's played like an unconfident QB right now.  I have said the same thing over and over in the game day threads.  It's not like I'm ignoring the reality of his current play.  But I absolutely know that if there was better support in the film room and practice field, Trevor can be a top 10 QB.

Just an FYI, I never said he's be "generational".  I have said, and I stand behind it, that Trevor is a franchise QB that can make us a perennial playoff team.  With the right coaches and players around him, he can win a Super Bowl.  I stand by that.  I'll die on 

Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

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His accuracy has above average in 2022 and even in 2023 when he got injured.  His deep balls have always been pretty good, except for the start of this year.

The coaches from 2021 to 2022 absolutely should get credit for his exponential improvment.  But the QB coach that was there in 2022 left after the season.  And he hasn't developed further from there.  

Remember, Cooter left after 2022.  

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree that Lawrence is washed.  He's played like an unconfident QB right now.  I have said the same thing over and over in the game day threads.  It's not like I'm ignoring the reality of his current play.  But I absolutely know that if there was better support in the film room and practice field, Trevor can be a top 10 QB.

Just an FYI, I never said he's be "generational".  I have said, and I stand behind it, that Trevor is a franchise QB that can make us a perennial playoff team.  With the right coaches and players around him, he can win a Super Bowl.  I stand by that.  I'll die on that hill.

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The way you interpret my words is based on a weird hatred you have for me.  Maybe you should take a step back and reconsider how your bias clouds your recognition of words, my friend.

It's about your inability to express your thoughts clearly, but thanks for the tip.

I'm rubber, you're glue.

Good one, NYC

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His accuracy has above average in 2022 and even in 2023 when he got injured.  His deep balls have always been pretty good, except for the start of this year.

The coaches from 2021 to 2022 absolutely should get credit for his exponential improvment.  But the QB coach that was there in 2022 left after the season.  And he hasn't developed further from there.  

Remember, Cooter left after 2022.  

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree that Lawrence is washed.  He's played like an unconfident QB right now.  I have said the same thing over and over in the game day threads.  It's not like I'm ignoring the reality of his current play.  But I absolutely know that if there was better support in the film room and practice field, Trevor can be a top 10 QB.

Just an FYI, I never said he's be "generational".  I have said, and I stand behind it, that Trevor is a franchise QB that can make us a perennial playoff team.  With the right coaches and players around him, he can win a Super Bowl.  I stand by that.  I'll die on 

Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

No, that isn't my "whole shtick".  LOL.  Every game day thread this season I have criticize the mistakes that Trevor makes.

You're 100% that Doug gives Trevor flexibility?  I thought it was the OC that runs the offense. /s

It's been bad play by the entire offense.  Hopefully it turns around.  But I'm tired of having you and other people try to put words in my mouth.

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On topic:

I think Trevor is just a few plays per game from being good enough to win lots of divisional games with.

That's my only concern right now. I want to see him clean up those plays. The 3 or 4 that are very makable that he finds a way to flub each week. I just want to see this get right.

All the specific detractions about his game and the talk of his potential - I just don't care about right now. I'll blather about it with y'all in the offseason.

Just wanna see him make a few more makable plays each week and string together some good performances.

The colts this week at home is great place to get started.

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His accuracy has above average in 2022 and even in 2023 when he got injured.  His deep balls have always been pretty good, except for the start of this year.

The coaches from 2021 to 2022 absolutely should get credit for his exponential improvment.  But the QB coach that was there in 2022 left after the season.  And he hasn't developed further from there.  

Remember, Cooter left after 2022.  

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree that Lawrence is washed.  He's played like an unconfident QB right now.  I have said the same thing over and over in the game day threads.  It's not like I'm ignoring the reality of his current play.  But I absolutely know that if there was better support in the film room and practice field, Trevor can be a top 10 QB.

Just an FYI, I never said he's be "generational".  I have said, and I stand behind it, that Trevor is a franchise QB that can make us a perennial playoff team.  With the right coaches and players around him, he can win a Super Bowl.  I stand by that.  I'll die on 

Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

No, we can't because we routinely break the huddle with barely enough time to get lined up.

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I just hope we don't go for it on 4th down at our own 30. I just hope we don't run the ball 3 times with a gassed RB and then run an obvious QB sneak that everyone in the world saw coming. I just hope we let Trevor be the best he can be.

I hope that we don't blow clock management. Hopefully Trevor can get a play call into his helmet with more than 10 seconds before lining up...

If we do that, I know our QB will win the game.

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Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

No, we can't because we routinely break the huddle with barely enough time to get lined up.

Looked like they cleaned that up a bit last week.

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No, we can't because we routinely break the huddle with barely enough time to get lined up.

Looked like they cleaned that up a bit last week.

I was drinking on Sunday...  But I'm pretty sure we wasted a time out because of our inability to get a play called in quickly...  

The term "a bit" is doing a lot of lifting in your statement there, chief.

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Looked like they cleaned that up a bit last week.

I was drinking on Sunday...  But I'm pretty sure we wasted a time out because of our inability to get a play called in quickly...  

The term "a bit" is doing a lot of lifting in your statement there, chief.

I remember a time out called to prevent a too many men on the field penalty. Not due to play clock. 

chief... 

And I had my first beer after the game

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Trevor's problems recently are concerning, but watching Kurt go over some of what is going on around him from a route standpoint is making it more apparent why it sometimes seems like Trevor is constantly throwing to heavily covered guys while the other team is throwing to guys that are wide open. The route choices and spacing on some of these plays are terrible. Either the play design is bad, the position coaches aren't instructing players on how to run the plays properly (wr, te, rb) or the players aren't intelligent enough to be able to assimilate the coaching.

I doubt it's the intelligence thing because it seems endemic, and I can't believe that all of our skill players can't be coached while other teams all can be. I'm guessing the plays are intentionally designed this way and guys are running the plays the way Doug and Press want them to...

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Everyone was saying he had to limit the turnovers and has 1 so far this year.

That's something that he's taken steps forwards on and hasn't been spoken about a lot.

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Trevor's problems recently are concerning, but watching Kurt go over some of what is going on around him from a route standpoint is making it more apparent why it sometimes seems like Trevor is constantly throwing to heavily covered guys while the other team is throwing to guys that are wide open. The route choices and spacing on some of these plays are terrible. Either the play design is bad, the position coaches aren't instructing players on how to run the plays properly (wr, te, rb) or the players aren't intelligent enough to be able to assimilate the coaching.

I doubt it's the intelligence thing because it seems endemic, and I can't believe that all of our skill players can't be coached while other teams all can be. I'm guessing the plays are intentionally designed this way and guys are running the plays the way Doug and Press want them to...

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It's about your inability to express your thoughts clearly, but thanks for the tip.

I'm rubber, you're glue.

Good one, NYC

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Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

No, that isn't my "whole shtick".  LOL.  Every game day thread this season I have criticize the mistakes that Trevor makes.

You're 100% that Doug gives Trevor flexibility?  I thought it was the OC that runs the offense.  /s

It's been bad play by the entire offense.  Hopefully it turns around.  But I'm tired of having you and other people try to put words in my mouth.

Who gives a [BLEEP] who runs the offense? Doug is in charge of the whole team, especially on offense, since he is known as an offensive coach.... I might not be 100% sure that Lawrence can change plays but to me if your a QB in your fourth season you would assume he has that capability to do so, especially if your going to commit and sign him to a big contract moving forward.

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Everyone was saying he had to limit the turnovers and has 1 so far this year.

That's something that he's taken steps forwards on and hasn't been spoken about a lot.

T-Law has done as much as an individual QB can do all by himself.  Dude's only turning 25 this weekend.  Cooter seemed to be a great mentor for him.  After he left for Indy, he's stopped progressing.  I called it regression.  But honestly, he's still what he was in 2022.  He's just not getting better.  

He has the potential.  He just needs a mentor that can get him to the next level.

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Trevor's problems recently are concerning, but watching Kurt go over some of what is going on around him from a route standpoint is making it more apparent why it sometimes seems like Trevor is constantly throwing to heavily covered guys while the other team is throwing to guys that are wide open. The route choices and spacing on some of these plays are terrible. Either the play design is bad, the position coaches aren't instructing players on how to run the plays properly (wr, te, rb) or the players aren't intelligent enough to be able to assimilate the coaching.

I doubt it's the intelligence thing because it seems endemic, and I can't believe that all of our skill players can't be coached while other teams all can be. I'm guessing the plays are intentionally designed this way and guys are running the plays the way Doug and Press want them to...

The biggest issue right now is we have the best weapon on this team down due to an injury. That was Trevors best security blanket.

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Well my friend, your whole shtick is that the coaches are calling bad plays for Trevor to complete as a QB. But you do realize that he has the keys to change the plays if he doesnt like the look that the defense is giving him? I'm 100% that Doug by NOW has given him that flexibility.

No, we can't because we routinely break the huddle with barely enough time to get lined up.

Don't you not think that also falls on the QB and not just 100% on the coach?

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Everyone was saying he had to limit the turnovers and has 1 so far this year.

That's something that he's taken steps forwards on and hasn't been spoken about a lot.

T-Law has done as much as an individual QB can do all by himself.  Dude's only turning 25 this weekend.  Cooter seemed to be a great mentor for him.  After he left for Indy, he's stopped progressing.  I called it regression.  But honestly, he's still what he was in 2022.  He's just not getting better.  

He has the potential.  He just needs a mentor that can get him to the next level.

So what has Cooter done in Indy so far? Since you seem to think his departure is huge?

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Every point in your assessment is hyperbole. 

None of those things happen as frequently as you assert

It's all stuff he needs to improve, but you imply, or rather directly state he does it all the time, which is nonsense.

So I say he needs to improve on the things he's doing poorly, and it's hyperbole?

OK, bruh.

I never said he does those things every time.  But he does it enough that it's clearly a matter that he's not getting better.  He's actually regressing.  I mean, is that hyperbole?  

I'd really like him to get better support from a coaching staff that can develop him.  I guess I'm crazy for wanting a better result from a QB that we have invested 50 million a year for the next few years.  Call me hyperbolic.

Gotta say I agree with your view. They are disturbing traits that can become a pattern. We already see the spin as a habit that needs to be broken out of muscle memory. We see the throws that look like he's preparing for contact even when the contact isn't coming. Those jitters can be cured. I think the way we called the game (for the most part) Sunday went a long way to working within the confines of our personnel to be productive, while not necessarily being 100% the long-view vision of what this team should be.

It's foolish not to be concerned about the potential for bad habits in any franchise QB. We see the good, and know that it can be better, especially if he can eliminate some of those flaws that have gradually crept into his play.

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So your take is that he had one good season therefore he can remain consistent with the right coaches? Lol, by the way -  those were the same coaches that helped him get there.....   

His ball placement has been pretty mid his whole NFL career. This is usually the number 1 quality you see in underwhelming QBs who seem to have all the tools.

It's always best when the trolls come right out and admit it.

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Trevor's problems recently are concerning, but watching Kurt go over some of what is going on around him from a route standpoint is making it more apparent why it sometimes seems like Trevor is constantly throwing to heavily covered guys while the other team is throwing to guys that are wide open. The route choices and spacing on some of these plays are terrible. Either the play design is bad, the position coaches aren't instructing players on how to run the plays properly (wr, te, rb) or the players aren't intelligent enough to be able to assimilate the coaching.

I doubt it's the intelligence thing because it seems endemic, and I can't believe that all of our skill players can't be coached while other teams all can be. I'm guessing the plays are intentionally designed this way and guys are running the plays the way Doug and Press want them to...

The biggest issue right now is we have the best weapon on this team down due to an injury. That was Trevors best security blanket.

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No, we can't because we routinely break the huddle with barely enough time to get lined up.

Don't you not think that also falls on the QB and not just 100% on the coach?

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T-Law has done as much as an individual QB can do all by himself.  Dude's only turning 25 this weekend.  Cooter seemed to be a great mentor for him.  After he left for Indy, he's stopped progressing.  I called it regression.  But honestly, he's still what he was in 2022.  He's just not getting better.  

He has the potential.  He just needs a mentor that can get him to the next level.

So what has Cooter done in Indy so far? Since you seem to think his departure is huge?

Hurts not having Engram for sure, however, we have seen an uptick in production from Strange early this year as his stand-in. I am hoping this is something we exploit once Engram is actually back and available. Having a pair of TE's to use in this offense receiving wise could prove monumental for Lawrence. 

As far as the time difference between play caller to QB to huddle to actual snap? I am honestly not sure. It seems like it was improving though in Houston and it felt like Lawrence was at least getting everything lined-up between 10 - 12 seconds with the play clock. 

Cooter has been the offensive coordinator since last year for the clots. In that time span, he's gone from Richardson, to Minshew, back to Richardson and now Flacco. They're currently 16th overall, so, right in the middle of the pack. They were 10th in points and 15th in yards last year. I think he's done an admirable job. 

Keep in mind, he only had Jonathan Taylor last year for 7 games. He's already got him heavily involved just 4 games into the year already. They're on a 2 game win streak. They'll have momentum coming into town on Sunday for sure.

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On topic:

I think Trevor is just a few plays per game from being good enough to win lots of divisional games with.

That's my only concern right now. I want to see him clean up those plays. The 3 or 4 that are very makable that he finds a way to flub each week. I just want to see this get right.

All the specific detractions about his game and the talk of his potential - I just don't care about right now. I'll blather about it with y'all in the offseason.

Just wanna see him make a few more makable plays each week and string together some good performances.

The colts this week at home is great place to get started.

hear, hear, my man!

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I just hope we don't go for it on 4th down at our own 30.  I just hope we don't run the ball 3 times with a gassed RB and then run an obvious QB sneak that everyone in the world saw coming.  I just hope we let Trevor be the best he can be.

I hope that we don't blow clock management.  Hopefully Trevor can get a play call into his helmet with more than 10 seconds before lining up...

If we do that, I know our QB will win the game.

Well, assuming the D doesn't allow 5 straight possessions resulting in a TD  

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I think the play calling and play design was very mid to bad the first 3 weeks. Then last week, play calling was pretty good and Trevor missed throws. They're just not in sync at all. Gabe Davis has been absolute garbage. He is so slow in and out of his breaks. Imagine if BTJ wasn’t already WR1 on this team. They would be even worse (which is hard to think about). The short yardage stuff is still the worst in the league.

This team doesn’t have an identity. The coaching staff isn’t sure what kind of offense they want to be and it all falls apart from there.

Maybe Indy sparks something with this team and coaching staff. Maybe they figure it out this week and finally start to look like a TEAM instead of random dudes who play pickup football on Sundays.

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I think the play calling and play design was very mid to bad the first 3 weeks. Then last week, play calling was pretty good and Trevor missed throws. They're just not in sync at all. Gabe Davis has been absolute garbage. He is so slow in and out of his breaks. Imagine if BTJ wasn’t already WR1 on this team. They would be even worse (which is hard to think about). The short yardage stuff is still the worst in the league.

This team doesn’t have an identity. The coaching staff isn’t sure what kind of offense they want to be and it all falls apart from there.

Maybe Indy sparks something with this team and coaching staff. Maybe they figure it out this week and finally start to look like a TEAM instead of random dudes who play pickup football on Sundays.

I think they have an "idea" of what they want their identity to be. We're looking at a lot of run first, heavy rotation there with a two back system. We're looking at a lot of under center formations with the "idea" of going deep for chunk plays off the play action. 

I think this was specifically two things this team had been missing over the last two years and they're trying like hell to get it off the ground and flying. This was something a lot of us fans, myself included, were [BLEEP] and moaning about. 

It takes time. It takes patience. As I felt and stated after the week one and week two losses. They were feeling it all out still. They're now peeling some of it back by going back to what worked in 2022 and 2023 and they're pivoting a bit.

Last weekend's game in Houston was a direct response to their challenges during week three, and they were two beautiful play calls from being executed away from hushing all of the doubt and giving everybody hope.

They're right THERE. RIGHT THERE. Good things are just around the corner folks. You just have to see it.

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