Regarding the OP, to paraphrase: It wasn't that "people" wanted more deep shots.

This is a classic Straw Man fallacy

People were calling out how we stopped running routes with Engram and Zay and Kirk that were crossing the middle of the field. We were also recognizing that the dive rushes on 1st down always put us behind the sticks.

We were much more dynamic in 2022, in 2023, we stopped doing those things that made us successful. The Mods said it was because of the O-Line. Some posters disagreed. And the trolls blamed Trevor Lawrence.

That's the gist of 2023. We regressed in 2023. We went away from what made us good in 2022. It was obvious to some that the 2023 offensive scheme, game plan, and play calling wasn't the same as it was in 2022. It's just the fact that we got worse in 2023 than we were in 2022. Why that is? Well. Apparently I was wrong. I thought it was because of the OC.

But clearly now in 2024 we can all see it's because of Doug. I guess I was wrong. I'm assuming since you recognized the regression you see that the coaching staff has to go.

Great analysis, NYC!!!!

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Regarding the OP, to paraphrase:  It wasn't that "people" wanted more deep shots. 

This is a classic Straw Man fallacy

People were calling out how we stopped running routes with Engram and Zay and Kirk that were crossing the middle of the field.  (That was just you)We were also recognizing that the dive rushes on 1st down always put us behind the sticks.

We were much more dynamic in 2022, in 2023, we stopped doing those things that made us successful.  The Mods said it was because of the O-Line.  Some posters disagreed.  And the trolls blamed Trevor Lawrence.

That's the gist of 2023.  We regressed in 2023.  We went away from what made us good in 2022. It was obvious to some that the 2023 offensive scheme, game plan, and play calling wasn't the same as it was in 2022.  It's just the fact that we got worse in 2023 than we were in 2022.  Why that is?  Well.  Apparently I was wrong.  I thought it was because of the OC.

But clearly, it's because of Doug.  I guess I was wrong.  I'm assuming since you recognized the regression you see that the coaching staff has to go.

Great analysis, NYC!!!!

I'm just going to highlight all of the gross inaccuracies in red and not bother to address the drivel around it.
I don't care to reahash your unhealthy obsession and revisionist history with you. It's tired. 

Luckily - the post you are replying to was made after week 2 and since then (meaning week 4) we have begun to see Doug and Press make some adjustments and we've begun to see the OL protect better. 

I think things are looking up a bit if the week 4 game was an indication of things to come on those fronts. 

If I personally am unhappy with anything from this offense it is that the scheme is a hodgepodge of concepts that doesn't contain enough high percentage plays. Difficulty level is unnecessarily high compared to 22/23. 
 But they seem to be getting a bit more dialed in on what works. 
This week will be a good chance to see if they can focus on some strengths and get the deep shots well timed in their playcalling sequence, because Kirk and BTJ are getting open - they just need to align good protection and good throws with those instances more consistently.

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Regarding the OP, to paraphrase:  It wasn't that "people" wanted more deep shots. 

This is a classic Straw Man fallacy

People were calling out how we stopped running routes with Engram and Zay and Kirk that were crossing the middle of the field.  (That was just you)We were also recognizing that the dive rushes on 1st down always put us behind the sticks.

We were much more dynamic in 2022, in 2023, we stopped doing those things that made us successful.  The Mods said it was because of the O-Line.  Some posters disagreed.  And the trolls blamed Trevor Lawrence.

That's the gist of 2023.  We regressed in 2023.  We went away from what made us good in 2022. It was obvious to some that the 2023 offensive scheme, game plan, and play calling wasn't the same as it was in 2022.  It's just the fact that we got worse in 2023 than we were in 2022.  Why that is?  Well.  Apparently I was wrong.  I thought it was because of the OC.

But clearly, it's because of Doug.  I guess I was wrong.  I'm assuming since you recognized the regression you see that the coaching staff has to go.

Great analysis, NYC!!!!

I'm just going to highlight all of the gross inaccuracies in red and not bother to address the drivel around it.
I don't care to reahash your unhealthy obsession and revisionist history with you. It's tired. 

Luckily - the post you are replying to was made after week 2 and since then (meaning week 4) we have begun to see Doug and Press make some adjustments and we've begun to see the OL protect better. 

I think things are looking up a bit if the week 4 game was an indication of things to come on those fronts. 

If I personally am unhappy with anything from this offense it is that the scheme is a hodgepodge of concepts that doesn't contain enough high percentage plays. Difficulty level is unnecessarily high compared to 22/23. 
 But they seem to be getting a bit more dialed in on what works. 
This week will be a good chance to see if they can focus on some strengths and get the deep shots well timed in their playcalling sequence, because Kirk and BTJ are getting open - they just need to align good protection and good throws with those instances more consistently.

LOL.  OK.

Thanks.  What you highlighted is what everyone was concerned about.  The fact that you can't address those, and call them "drivel" says enough.  You have no answers for them because they are inexcusable.  It's been pointed out by many.  Why you think you know better is your own conceit.

What I find funny is what I bolded from your response.  These are all the things most of us in the game day threads have been complaining about for 2 seasons now...  LOL.  It's laughable at this point how silly your hate for anyone that calls out coaching is.  Even though you have obviously begun to shift your narrative to coaching... I mean, really.  Did you even read what I bolded and think what you just wrote all the way through?  It's the same things I've been saying for 2 seasons now!  But, no.  The delicate genius needs to be the one that points them out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsdXa_7kzs

But do you, champ.  Eventually you'll have to concede it.  Have a good night.

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I'm just going to highlight all of the gross inaccuracies in red and not bother to address the drivel around it.
I don't care to reahash your unhealthy obsession and revisionist history with you. It's tired. 

Luckily - the post you are replying to was made after week 2 and since then (meaning week 4) we have begun to see Doug and Press make some adjustments and we've begun to see the OL protect better. 

I think things are looking up a bit if the week 4 game was an indication of things to come on those fronts. 

If I personally am unhappy with anything from this offense it is that the scheme is a hodgepodge of concepts that doesn't contain enough high percentage plays. Difficulty level is unnecessarily high compared to 22/23. 
 But they seem to be getting a bit more dialed in on what works. 
This week will be a good chance to see if they can focus on some strengths and get the deep shots well timed in their playcalling sequence, because Kirk and BTJ are getting open - they just need to align good protection and good throws with those instances more consistently.

LOL.  OK.

Thanks.  What you highlighted is what everyone was concerned about.  The fact that you can't address those, and call them "drivel" says enough.  You have no answers for them because they are inexcusable.  It's been pointed out by many.  Why you think you know better is your own conceit.

What I find funny is what I bolded from your response.  These are all the things most of us in the game day threads have been complaining about for 2 seasons now...  LOL.  It's laughable at this point how silly your hate for anyone that calls out coaching is.  Even though you have obviously begun to shift your narrative to coaching... I mean, really.  Did you even read what I bolded and think what you just wrote all the way through?  It's the same things I've been saying for 2 seasons now!  But, no.  The delicate genius needs to be the one that points them out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsdXa_7kzs

But do you, champ.  Eventually you'll have to concede it.  Have a good night.

My analysis was about the 2024 offense. Don't try to apply it to anything else. 

It's not about the 22/23 version that you have an unhealthy obsession with. You should see a therapist or adjust your meds. 

All of your takes about the 2022 - 23 disparities have been proven to be garbage but you won't let it go.
That's not my problem and I don't have to explain it to you every time you can't scratch your itch.

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https://twitter.com/jagibbs_23/status/18...0154395957

Back on topic - these stats on Kirk and BTJ are really good songs that the plan to unleash more downfield throwing can still get right. 

I hope they find the right balance this week at home.

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LOL.  OK.

Thanks.  What you highlighted is what everyone was concerned about.  The fact that you can't address those, and call them "drivel" says enough.  You have no answers for them because they are inexcusable.  It's been pointed out by many.  Why you think you know better is your own conceit.

What I find funny is what I bolded from your response.  These are all the things most of us in the game day threads have been complaining about for 2 seasons now...  LOL.  It's laughable at this point how silly your hate for anyone that calls out coaching is.  Even though you have obviously begun to shift your narrative to coaching... I mean, really.  Did you even read what I bolded and think what you just wrote all the way through?  It's the same things I've been saying for 2 seasons now!  But, no.  The delicate genius needs to be the one that points them out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsdXa_7kzs

But do you, champ.  Eventually you'll have to concede it.  Have a good night.

My analysis was about the 2024 offense. Don't try to apply it to anything else. 

It's not about the 22/23 version that you have an unhealthy obsession with. You should see a therapist or adjust your meds. 

All of your takes about the 2022 - 23 disparities have been proven to be garbage but you won't let it go.
That's not my problem and I don't have to explain it to you every time you can't scratch your itch.

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https://twitter.com/jagibbs_23/status/18...0154395957

Back on topic - these stats on Kirk and BTJ are really good songs that the plan to unleash more downfield throwing can still get right. 

I hope they find the right balance this week at home.

I disagree.  There has been an obvious change from 2022 to what we have now.  And it's all been bad.  I know you want to deny it.  But it's a fact.  This team is basically the same from 2022 to now.  The fact that we are regressing should be addressed.  Whether you want to accept it or not.

Back on topic:

Let Trevor continue to get his confidence back and I have no doubt we win Sunday.

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The 2024 offense has been well.......offensive so far.

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The offense has improved in the ground game. It's also improved in the turnover game. Where it's falling short is at the most important areas in this sport.

1. 3rd down conversions.
2. Red zone efficiency.
3. Big play miscues.

All of this can improve as the season progresses. The "light" will eventually turn on. Looking forward to seeing Engram back in the offense along with this defense getting it's starters back healthy in the near future.

Last year, we had this same issue, where, the competition was pretty stiff on the schedule and we had a serious of injuries occur during that stretch that made it damn near impossible to get back on track.

It feels like this year, it will be the opposite. We'll get on a mid to late season winning streak and have a chance with the last 2 games more than likely to clinch a 5th - 7th seed or even a top seed if Houston struggles with it's 1st place schedule, especially in December.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Baldy is right. This has been a huge on going problem for this Offense for a couple seasons now. They simply cannot gain a single yard when they HAVE to have it. You are going to struggle to win football games if you can't get a single [BLEEP] yard when you must have it. How long have we been talking about the dreaded 3rd and 1 now? It's pathetic.

It's not rocket science in those situations. It's man vs man... Stop being soft and win your battle.. Get that [BLEEP] yard.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1841622919899746368

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The offense has improved in the ground game. It's also improved in the turnover game. Where it's falling short is at the most important areas in this sport.

1. 3rd down conversions.
2. Red zone efficiency.
3. Big play miscues.

All of this can improve as the season progresses. The "light" will eventually turn on. Looking forward to seeing Engram back in the offense along with this defense getting it's starters back healthy in the near future.

Last year, we had this same issue, where, the competition was pretty stiff on the schedule and we had a serious of injuries occur during that stretch that made it damn near impossible to get back on track.

It feels like this year, it will be the opposite. We'll get on a mid to late season winning streak and have a chance with the last 2 games more than likely to clinch a 5th - 7th seed or even a top seed if Houston struggles with it's 1st place schedule, especially in December.

To all the Trevor Haters...  This is something to consider that we haven't talked about.  Trevor has done a great job of holding on to the ball and not throwing head scratching picks.  He had the one against the Bills, I understand that.  But overall, Trevor has done a great job not fumbling or throwing bad picks.

As I mentioned in the tinhorn game day thread, I thought the play calling on Sunday was pretty dog gone good for 91% of the game.  Where we got killed was in the most important times of the game when we could have gone up by 10 and choked out the tinhorns.  We also got killed when we didn't run out the clock when we had the ball with only 4 minutes left.  

There's a chance we can still turn this whole thing around.  But everything has to get better.  Trevor needs to make the "lay-up" throws.  But the coaching has to also do better in not wetting the bed on goal line situations and when we can eat some clock.

The clots are 2-2.  We are 0-4.  It's time to change the narrative.  I hope this offense can finally get up off the mat and show some [BLEEP] heart and some [BLEEP] brains.  If they can do that, then plays will be executed.

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Baldy is right. This has been a huge on going problem for this Offense for a couple seasons now. They simply cannot gain a single yard when they HAVE to have it. You are going to struggle to win football games if you can't get a single [BLEEP] yard when you must have it. How long have we been talking about the dreaded 3rd and 1 now? It's pathetic.

It's not rocket science in those situations. It's man vs man... Stop being soft and win your battle.. Get that [BLEEP] yard.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1841622919899746368

Been saying this

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Baldy is right. This has been a huge on going problem for this Offense for a couple seasons now. They simply cannot gain a single yard when they HAVE to have it. You are going to struggle to win football games if you can't get a single [BLEEP] yard when you must have it. How long have we been talking about the dreaded 3rd and 1 now? It's pathetic.

It's not rocket science in those situations. It's man vs man... Stop being soft and win your battle.. Get that [BLEEP] yard.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1841622919899746368

Been saying this

Most of us have.
twas a minor problem in 22, a major problem all last year, and despite the run game clicking up a notch this year, the short yardage woes remain

Put it on players, put it on staff, I don't care 
They bloody well better figure out something, anything to remedy it, or these three close losses with a blowout mixed in will be the first of many such disappointments this year

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Been saying this

Most of us have.
twas a minor problem in 22, a major problem all last year, and despite the run game clicking up a notch this year, the short yardage woes remain

Put it on players, put it on staff, I don't care 
They bloody well better figure out something, anything to remedy it, or these three close losses with a blowout mixed in will be the first of many such disappointments this year

That 1st Quarter TD play call on Sunday when we recovered the muffed punt was a thing of beauty.

I just don't get this coaching staff.  They did so many good things in Miami.  And then they played a tight game for 91% of the game in Houston.  But when the chips are on the line...  It just never seems to work out for us.  We can't get out of our own way.  Players and coaches.

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https://twitter.com/jagibbs_23/status/18...0154395957

If this is true then it seems we have a Trevor Lawrence problem.

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Baldy is right. This has been a huge on going problem for this Offense for a couple seasons now. They simply cannot gain a single yard when they HAVE to have it. You are going to struggle to win football games if you can't get a single [BLEEP] yard when you must have it. How long have we been talking about the dreaded 3rd and 1 now? It's pathetic.

It's not rocket science in those situations. It's man vs man... Stop being soft and win your battle.. Get that [BLEEP] yard.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1841622919899746368

Preach, brother. Good teams don't finesse, they look you square in the eyes and take what they want. I don't care if you know what play I'm runnin, I'm still runnin it, and I'm getting my yard. And I'll do it next time, too.

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https://twitter.com/jagibbs_23/status/18...0154395957

If this is true then it seems we have a Trevor Lawrence problem.

His On target throw percentage is five Percent lower than it was last year

So yes, there is an issue there

The offensive line was also a major issue in the first three weeks

The line got a little better in week four, now we have to hope we see Trevor get a little better in week five

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If this is true then it seems we have a Trevor Lawrence problem.

His On target throw percentage is five Percent lower than it was last year

So yes, there is an issue there

The offensive line was also a major issue in the first three weeks

The line got a little better in week four, now we have to hope we see Trevor get a little better in week five

If he hits the facemask is that considered "off target"?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status...3086391789

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Christian Kirk will be wearing a Chiefs uniform soon. I just know it.

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https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status...3086391789

Meanwhile has only thrown for over 200 yards once this season lol. Kirko Bangs throwing for 500 on the Bucs with ease, and our QB can't get over 200.

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https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status...3086391789

Meanwhile has only thrown for over 200 yards once this season lol. Kirko Bangs throwing for 500 on the Bucs with ease, and our QB can't get over 200.

It's not that hard when everyone in the Bucs secondary forgets that Drake London is on the field every play.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato