If I had told you back in August that the Jags would get 190 all purpose yards in one game from Tank Bigsby and D'Ernest Johnson, you'd have told me to get my head examined.

But that just happened.

2024 Cap Hits:

Tank Bigsby - 1.2 million
D'Ernest Johnson 1.1 million

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If I had told you back in August that the Jags would get 190 all purpose yards in one game from Tank Bigsby and D'Ernest Johnson, you'd have told me to get my head examined.

But that just happened.

2024 Cap Hits:

Tank Bigsby - 1.2 million
D'Ernest Johnson 1.1 million

Tank being the best player on the roster is mind blowing indeed.

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If I had told you back in August that the Jags would get 190 all purpose yards in one game from Tank Bigsby and D'Ernest Johnson, you'd have told me to get my head examined.

But that just happened.

2024 Cap Hits:

Tank Bigsby - 1.2 million
D'Ernest Johnson 1.1 million

RB in Round 1 is da good value!!!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If I had told you back in August that the Jags would get 190 all purpose yards in one game from Tank Bigsby and D'Ernest Johnson, you'd have told me to get my head examined.

But that just happened.

2024 Cap Hits:

Tank Bigsby - 1.2 million
D'Ernest Johnson 1.1 million

ETN s time may be at an end here. Unless they draft his brother.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

If I had told you back in August that the Jags would get 190 all purpose yards in one game from Tank Bigsby and D'Ernest Johnson, you'd have told me to get my head examined.

But that just happened.

2024 Cap Hits:

Tank Bigsby - 1.2 million
D'Ernest Johnson 1.1 million

ETN s time may be at an end here. Unless they draft his brother.

Personally - I'd pick up the fifth year option (6 mil) and use him in a committee with Tank, but I'd have a different package for ETN than what we've seen so far this year. 

(although they used ETN a bit better vs the colts - more of that please) 

Tank would be my early downs bell cow, though.

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O-Line has been serviceable all year. And yet this was the 1st game we've actually been solid in the red zone...

I guess Baalke is the problem with Red Zone performance when the O-Line is competent. Just saying this offense is inconsistent. The talent is there. The fact that we can't get the best out of these players is something that has needed to be considered for 2 seasons now.

This offense can be great under the proper coaching.

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O-Line has been serviceable all year.  And yet this was the 1st game we've actually been solid in the red zone...

I guess Baalke is the problem with Red Zone performance when the O-Line is competent.

The OL has been total dog [BLEEP] in 4 games this year

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O-Line has been serviceable all year.  And yet this was the 1st game we've actually been solid in the red zone...

I guess Baalke is the problem with Red Zone performance when the O-Line is competent.

The OL has been total dog [BLEEP] in 4 games this year

The O-Line this year has given Trevor plenty of time in almost every game this year. 

I remember every game day thread where I and other posters were praising the O-Line protection.  Just because we can't get the best plays called out, or we can't get the defense respect our schemes isn't on the O-Line.

Sorry, but I think you're being biased on this criticism.

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The OL has been total dog [BLEEP] in 4 games this year

The O-Line this year has given Trevor plenty of time in almost every game this year. 

I remember every game day thread where I and other posters were praising the O-Line protection.  Just because we can't get the best plays called out, or we can't get the defense respect our schemes isn't on the O-Line.

Sorry, but I think you're being biased on this criticism.

Sorry, but it is easily quantifiable with analytics and you are dead wrong.

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The O-Line this year has given Trevor plenty of time in almost every game this year. 

I remember every game day thread where I and other posters were praising the O-Line protection.  Just because we can't get the best plays called out, or we can't get the defense respect our schemes isn't on the O-Line.

Sorry, but I think you're being biased on this criticism.

Sorry, but it is easily quantifiable with analytics and you are dead wrong.

Analytics...  OK.  I see it diffrently.

This O-Line has been serviceable this entire season.  They did enough for us to beat Miami, Cleveland, the clots, and Chicago, and today against the pats.  None of the games I just mentioned were ones where the O-Line was the problem or even a problem.  Were they perfect in any of these games?  No.  But they were not the reason we lost any of the games I mentioned.  And they played well enough to help us win in the games I mentioned in which we won.

You know that.  You are just to stubborn to accept that I've been right for the last 2 seasons.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the O-Line also played OK enough for us to be able to beat the tin horns. The O-Line in that game wasn't the reason we lost. Or even a reason we lost...

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Sorry, but it is easily quantifiable with analytics and you are dead wrong.

Analytics...  OK.  I see it diffrently.

This O-Line has been serviceable this entire season.  They did enough for us to beat Miami, Cleveland, the clots, and Chicago, and today against the pats.  None of the games I just mentioned were ones where the O-Line was the problem or even a problem.  Were they perfect in any of these games?  No.  But they were not the reason we lost any of the games I mentioned.  And they played well enough to help us win in the games I mentioned in which we won.

You know that.  You are just to stubborn to accept that I've been right for the last 2 seasons.

Edit:  I forgot to mention that the O-Line also played OK enough for us to be able to beat the tin horns.  The O-Line in that game wasn't the reason we lost.  Or even a reason we lost...

LOL

The OL was definitively part of the problem and contributed to the losses in weeks 1, 2, 3 and 6. 

Sorry you are wildly confused and unable to grasp the very basics of line performance or differentiate between execution and play-calling issues.

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My goodness all this sounds familiar.

The more I look at the previous troubles in Philly, the more concerned I get. In 2017 Carson Wentz was an up and coming star. He had Frank Reich as an OC and Defilippo as a QB coach. Press was assistant QB coach. The Eagles averaged 28+ points a game. After 2017 Reich and Defilippo left. 2018/2019 Grogh became OC, he had been WR coach and Press became QB coach. They averaged 22/24 ppg. Grogh leaves in 2020 and curiously there was no OC. Points per game again drop. Carson Wentz was a casualty of all this. The higher up Doug's coaching organization Press got the less they scored. During that time doug stated play calling was not the issue. see link.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nf...em/173114/

This is hard for me to say as I Like Doug, but once again he will be facing a decision, this year or next. Go get an up and coming creative offensive mind for OC or be looking for another opportunity to coach. We had an above average but not elite coach with Jim Bob Cooter in 2023 that covered all this up. He saw the writing on the wall and jumped the first chance he got. I am unsure whether it is Press or Doug that is the issue. They both appear to be very smart theoretically and a nice guys, but it appears they lacks the ability to create. How many MBA's have you known in business that were smart as hell but operationally were a cluster (you insert adjective) ?

Has Doug learned to overcome the same issues that brought him down before? I really would feel bad if we sacrifice TL on the alter of Press....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Analytics...  OK.  I see it diffrently.

This O-Line has been serviceable this entire season.  They did enough for us to beat Miami, Cleveland, the clots, and Chicago, and today against the pats.  None of the games I just mentioned were ones where the O-Line was the problem or even a problem.  Were they perfect in any of these games?  No.  But they were not the reason we lost any of the games I mentioned.  And they played well enough to help us win in the games I mentioned in which we won.

You know that.  You are just to stubborn to accept that I've been right for the last 2 seasons.

Edit:  I forgot to mention that the O-Line also played OK enough for us to be able to beat the tin horns.  The O-Line in that game wasn't the reason we lost.  Or even a reason we lost...

LOL

The OL was definitively part of the problem and contributed to the losses in weeks 1, 2, 3 and 6. 

Sorry you are wildly confused and unable to grasp the very basics of line performance or differentiate between execution and play-calling issues.

Right back at ya bro... 

I'm going to enjoy this win.  But nothing about this win makes me think that there isn't 1 glaring problem.  And that problem isn't the O-Line or our players.

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My goodness all this sounds familiar. 

The more I look at the previous troubles in Philly, the more concerned I get.  In 2017 Carson Wentz was an up and coming star. He had Frank Reich as an OC and Defilippo as a QB coach. Press was assistant QB coach.  The Eagles averaged 28+ points a game. After 2017 Reich and Defilippo left.  2018/2019 Grogh became OC, he had been WR coach and Press became QB coach. They averaged 22/24 ppg.  Grogh leaves in 2020 and curiously there was no OC.  Points per game again drop.  Carson Wentz was a casualty of all this.  The higher up Doug's coaching organization Press got the less they scored.  During that time doug stated play calling was not the issue. see link.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nf...em/173114/

This is hard for me to say as I Like Doug, but once again he will be facing a decision, this year or next.  Go get an up and coming creative offensive mind for OC or be looking for another opportunity to coach.  We had an above average but not elite coach with Jim Bob Cooter in 2023 that covered all this up.  He saw the writing on the wall and jumped the first chance he got. I am unsure whether it is Press or Doug that is the issue. They both appear to be very smart theoretically and a nice guys, but it appears they lacks the ability to create.  How many MBA's have you known in business that were smart as hell but operationally were a cluster (you insert adjective) ? 

Has Doug learned to overcome the same issues that brought him down before?  I really would feel bad if we sacrifice TL on the alter of Press....

The Philly stuff is what it is. 
But we aren't experiencing what they experienced. 

The 2024 offense stumbled and flailed while they implemented a radical shift in the passing attack but is showing signs of coming together now.  

Unfortunately - the stumbling and flailing was so bad I don't believe Doug or Press can save their jobs nor do I want them to.

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My goodness all this sounds familiar. 

The more I look at the previous troubles in Philly, the more concerned I get.  In 2017 Carson Wentz was an up and coming star. He had Frank Reich as an OC and Defilippo as a QB coach. Press was assistant QB coach.  The Eagles averaged 28+ points a game. After 2017 Reich and Defilippo left.  2018/2019 Grogh became OC, he had been WR coach and Press became QB coach. They averaged 22/24 ppg.  Grogh leaves in 2020 and curiously there was no OC.  Points per game again drop.  Carson Wentz was a casualty of all this.  The higher up Doug's coaching organization Press got the less they scored.  During that time doug stated play calling was not the issue. see link.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nf...em/173114/

This is hard for me to say as I Like Doug, but once again he will be facing a decision, this year or next.  Go get an up and coming creative offensive mind for OC or be looking for another opportunity to coach.  We had an above average but not elite coach with Jim Bob Cooter in 2023 that covered all this up.  He saw the writing on the wall and jumped the first chance he got. I am unsure whether it is Press or Doug that is the issue. They both appear to be very smart theoretically and a nice guys, but it appears they lacks the ability to create.  How many MBA's have you known in business that were smart as hell but operationally were a cluster (you insert adjective) ? 

Has Doug learned to overcome the same issues that brought him down before?  I really would feel bad if we sacrifice TL on the alter of Press....

The Philly stuff is what it is. 
But we aren't experiencing what they experienced. 

The 2024 offense stumbled and flailed while they implemented a radical shift in the passing attack but is showing signs of coming together now.  

Unfortunately - the stumbling and flailing was so bad I don't believe Doug or Press can save their jobs nor do I want them to.

Indeed.  It is what it is.  Actually, to be honest.  It is was it was going to be.  This is the Offense Thread, and offense is predicated on how the coaches coach just as much as how the players play.  So I don't think I'm out of line to say that I don't think it's the players that are the problem here.

Doug isn't a real option for being a long term HC.  He never wanted to be Andy Reid.  Reid is still running that offense.  Doug never wanted to have that much responsibility.  That's why he washed out in Philly.  And that's why he's washing out here.

As for the 2024 offense stumbling...  That's kinda funny.  This offense came out firing on all cylinders against Miami!  Dude, do you guys forget how great we looked against Miami the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters before the ETN fumble???  The offense looked great.  There was 1 sack in the first play of the game.  And then, after that, we looked great on offense.

The ETN fumble changed everything.  And the coaches just gave up and couldn't get the team to believe anymore.  

Then, against Cleveland we came out lifeless.  Everyone knows it.  We came out on our home opener like we didn't care at all.  And our offense was predictable untill the end of the 3rd Quarter when they finally started playing garbage time football.  But at least we were keeping the Cleveland D on their heels.

I mean, I don't want to have to remind everyone how this season has gone.  But this was THE TEAM that everyone told us was the most talented team in Jaguars history.  That's a fact. 

I just don't know how else I can explain it.  This team is underperforming.  We have the talent.  And yet we still can't do things other NFL teams can do.  At some point you have to start pointing the finger at the Front Office and the Coaching Staff.

We need a HC like Andy Reid.  Someone that takes pride in his offense and is willing to put in the work to run the offense.  Andy Reid has always been the OC of every team he ever was the HC of.  Doug never wanted that much work.  And we can see what that means.  Doug did the work the 1st year, but he wanted to give up those tasks to his OC in 2023 when he thought the thing was fixed.  The problem is, and it's what makes great coaches great, nothing is ever fixed.  You have to always be managing that thing that makes you good.  Reid recognized that.  He always manages the offense.  He's in control of the offense.  He works with his QB.  He is in charge of what happens on the offense.

Doug did the opposite.  That's why this offense and our QB has regressed since the end of 2022.  It's plain as day.

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The Philly stuff is what it is. 
But we aren't experiencing what they experienced. 

The 2024 offense stumbled and flailed while they implemented a radical shift in the passing attack but is showing signs of coming together now.  

Unfortunately - the stumbling and flailing was so bad I don't believe Doug or Press can save their jobs nor do I want them to.

Indeed.  It is what it is.  Actually, to be honest.  It is was it was going to be.  This is the Offense Thread, and offense is predicated on how the coaches coach just as much as how the players play.  So I don't think I'm out of line to say that I don't think it's the players that are the problem here.

Doug isn't a real option for being a long term HC.  He never wanted to be Andy Reid.  Reid is still running that offense.  Doug never wanted to have that much responsibility.  That's why he washed out in Philly.  And that's why he's washing out here.

As for the 2024 offense stumbling...  That's kinda funny.  This offense came out firing on all cylinders against Miami!  Dude, do you guys forget how great we looked against Miami the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters before the ETN fumble???  The offense looked great.  There was 1 sack in the first play of the game.  And then, after that, we looked great on offense.

The ETN fumble changed everything.  And the coaches just gave up and couldn't get the team to believe anymore.  

Then, against Cleveland we came out lifeless.  Everyone knows it.  We came out on our home opener like we didn't care at all.  And our offense was predictable untill the end of the 3rd Quarter when they finally started playing garbage time football.  But at least we were keeping the Cleveland D on their heels.

I mean, I don't want to have to remind everyone how this season has gone.  But this was THE TEAM that everyone told us was the most talented team in Jaguars history.  That's a fact. 

I just don't know how else I can explain it.  This team is underperforming.  We have the talent.  And yet we still can't do things other NFL teams can do.  At some point you have to start pointing the finger at the Front Office and the Coaching Staff.

We need a HC like Andy Reid.  Someone that takes pride in his offense and is willing to put in the work to run the offense.  Andy Reid has always been the OC of every team he ever was the HC of.  Doug never wanted that much work.  And we can see what that means.  Doug did the work the 1st year, but he wanted to give up those tasks to his OC in 2023 when he thought the thing was fixed.  The problem is, and it's what makes great coaches great, nothing is ever fixed.  You have to always be managing that thing that makes you good.  Reid recognized that.  He always manages the offense.  He's in control of the offense.  He works with his QB.  He is in charge of what happens on the offense.

Doug did the opposite.  That's why this offense and our QB has regressed since the end of 2022.  It's plain as day.

You are seriously delusional. 

The Jags passed for 162 yards vs Miami and scored 17 points. 
That's your definition of firing on all cylinders.

OK

And this fantasy world you are trying to create wherein NFL coaches give up because a RB fumbles at the goal line is pretty hilarious.

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Indeed.  It is what it is.  Actually, to be honest.  It is was it was going to be.  This is the Offense Thread, and offense is predicated on how the coaches coach just as much as how the players play.  So I don't think I'm out of line to say that I don't think it's the players that are the problem here.

Doug isn't a real option for being a long term HC.  He never wanted to be Andy Reid.  Reid is still running that offense.  Doug never wanted to have that much responsibility.  That's why he washed out in Philly.  And that's why he's washing out here.

As for the 2024 offense stumbling...  That's kinda funny.  This offense came out firing on all cylinders against Miami!  Dude, do you guys forget how great we looked against Miami the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters before the ETN fumble???  The offense looked great.  There was 1 sack in the first play of the game.  And then, after that, we looked great on offense.

The ETN fumble changed everything.  And the coaches just gave up and couldn't get the team to believe anymore.  

Then, against Cleveland we came out lifeless.  Everyone knows it.  We came out on our home opener like we didn't care at all.  And our offense was predictable untill the end of the 3rd Quarter when they finally started playing garbage time football.  But at least we were keeping the Cleveland D on their heels.

I mean, I don't want to have to remind everyone how this season has gone.  But this was THE TEAM that everyone told us was the most talented team in Jaguars history.  That's a fact. 

I just don't know how else I can explain it.  This team is underperforming.  We have the talent.  And yet we still can't do things other NFL teams can do.  At some point you have to start pointing the finger at the Front Office and the Coaching Staff.

We need a HC like Andy Reid.  Someone that takes pride in his offense and is willing to put in the work to run the offense.  Andy Reid has always been the OC of every team he ever was the HC of.  Doug never wanted that much work.  And we can see what that means.  Doug did the work the 1st year, but he wanted to give up those tasks to his OC in 2023 when he thought the thing was fixed.  The problem is, and it's what makes great coaches great, nothing is ever fixed.  You have to always be managing that thing that makes you good.  Reid recognized that.  He always manages the offense.  He's in control of the offense.  He works with his QB.  He is in charge of what happens on the offense.

Doug did the opposite.  That's why this offense and our QB has regressed since the end of 2022.  It's plain as day.

You are seriously delusional. 

The Jags passed for 162 yards vs Miami and scored 17 points. 
That's your definition of firing on all cylinders.

OK

And this fantasy world you are trying to create wherein NFL coaches give up because a RB fumbles at the goal line is pretty hilarious.

Nice that you ignored the fact that we would have had 24 points if ETN had scored.  The game would have been over if we scored that TD.  Instead, the entire bench was just sitting around looking devastated, and the coaches were just looking at their sheets.  The entire team folded after that fumble.  You know it, I know it, everyone that's a Jaguar fan knows it.  Why are you trying to revise the facts is beyond me.  Well, no.  It's not beyond me.  You need to try and be right in a situation you know you are wrong because I'm the one pointing out the fact.

But do you.  You're on tilt.  

I say, just enjoy this win.  I honestly don't want to have to remind you of everything that has happened in the last 7 weeks.  I'm just not that interested in trying to remind you of all the things you've forgotten.

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My goodness all this sounds familiar. 

The more I look at the previous troubles in Philly, the more concerned I get.  In 2017 Carson Wentz was an up and coming star. He had Frank Reich as an OC and Defilippo as a QB coach. Press was assistant QB coach.  The Eagles averaged 28+ points a game. After 2017 Reich and Defilippo left.  2018/2019 Grogh became OC, he had been WR coach and Press became QB coach. They averaged 22/24 ppg.  Grogh leaves in 2020 and curiously there was no OC.  Points per game again drop.  Carson Wentz was a casualty of all this.  The higher up Doug's coaching organization Press got the less they scored.  During that time doug stated play calling was not the issue. see link.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nf...em/173114/

This is hard for me to say as I Like Doug, but once again he will be facing a decision, this year or next.  Go get an up and coming creative offensive mind for OC or be looking for another opportunity to coach.  We had an above average but not elite coach with Jim Bob Cooter in 2023 that covered all this up.  He saw the writing on the wall and jumped the first chance he got. I am unsure whether it is Press or Doug that is the issue. They both appear to be very smart theoretically and a nice guys, but it appears they lacks the ability to create.  How many MBA's have you known in business that were smart as hell but operationally were a cluster (you insert adjective) ? 

Has Doug learned to overcome the same issues that brought him down before?  I really would feel bad if we sacrifice TL on the alter of Press....

The Philly stuff is what it is. 
But we aren't experiencing what they experienced. 

The 2024 offense stumbled and flailed while they implemented a radical shift in the passing attack but is showing signs of coming together now.  

Unfortunately - the stumbling and flailing was so bad I don't believe Doug or Press can save their jobs nor do I want them to.

I hear what your saying there. So they implemented a new passing attack in the off season and the implementation was so poor it took 7 games into the season for it to be appear to be profitable?  We can add that excuse to the one where the offensive line needs time to play together, then playing them only about 35 snaps in the preseason. In summary the coaching staff did not have the team ready to play game one this season?  I may be wrong, but I bet both of those are about to be blown up over the next 4 games.  Actually I do hope I am wrong....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

You are seriously delusional. 

The Jags passed for 162 yards vs Miami and scored 17 points. 
That's your definition of firing on all cylinders.

OK

And this fantasy world you are trying to create wherein NFL coaches give up because a RB fumbles at the goal line is pretty hilarious.

Nice that you ignored the fact that we would have had 24 points if ETN had scored.  The game would have been over if we scored that TD.  Instead, the entire bench was just sitting around looking devastated, and the coaches were just looking at their sheets.  The entire team folded after that fumble.  You know it, I know it, everyone that's a Jaguar fan knows it.  Why are you trying to revise the facts is beyond me.  Well, no.  It's not beyond me.  You need to try and be right in a situation you know you are wrong because I'm the one pointing out the fact.

But do you.  You're on tilt.  

I say, just enjoy this win.  I honestly don't want to have to remind you of everything that has happened in the last 7 weeks.  I'm just not that interested in trying to remind you of all the things you've forgotten.

I'm not revising facts - I'm telling you what happened because you are delusional and apparently not sane.

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The Philly stuff is what it is. 
But we aren't experiencing what they experienced. 

The 2024 offense stumbled and flailed while they implemented a radical shift in the passing attack but is showing signs of coming together now.  

Unfortunately - the stumbling and flailing was so bad I don't believe Doug or Press can save their jobs nor do I want them to.

I hear what your saying there. So they implemented a new passing attack in the off season and the implementation was so poor it took 7 games into the season for it to be appear to be profitable?  We can add that excuse to the one where the offensive line needs time to play together, then playing them only about 35 snaps in the preseason. In summary the coaching staff did not have the team ready to play game one this season?  I may be wrong, but I bet both of those are about to be blown up over the next 4 games.  Actually I do hope I am wrong....

Great question.

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