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Trump/Rogan Interview on pace to shatter news record

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(This post was last modified: 11-01-2024, 07:09 AM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(10-31-2024, 10:52 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(10-31-2024, 10:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: I'm comparing how physically fit Biden was at 78 to how physically fit Trump is now.
Biden rode bikes not long ago.  Trump only rides golf carts.

Stop talking! Please!

https://twitter.com/jbeyer1831/status/18...Q74kw&s=19

That's when he stopped riding bikes.  Age got to him. As it's getting to Trump. Father Time is undefeated. You won't find recent video of Trump engaging in physical activity.
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(10-31-2024, 11:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(10-29-2024, 05:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: Tariffs aren't going to do that.
I didn't say the US is like Brazil or Mexico.  I said those two countries are similar to each other.  They are both behind the US in terms of education and infrastructure.  Yet they both have ample natural resources and arable land.  Mexico's economy has grown better than Brazil's in the post WWII years, with its lower tariffs.

Couple things,

First, tariffs are neither good or bad, they are a weapon in the ongoing economic war between countries. Yes, it is a war, just not with bullets. The failure of our politicians to negotiate on our country's behalf has produced a huge imbalance. Some countries impose 5 times the tariffs on us that we do on them. (China for instance) This is a tax on our companies for access to their markets. On top of that there are way more restrictions on our companies then ever thought about here. In addition the EU has suddenly began using laws to fine our companies when they want money (Microsoft, Apple Google etc) Think of ways to fund their social programs....

Second the current election has many using this topic as a club to frighten people is all. In fact on CNBC the other day a very well know Wharton Professor kind of debunked a lot of what has been said. (much to the chagrin of the moderator, I believe he called it over an exaggeration)

Have you ever negotiated anything?

Of course I've negotiated things.  
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? How the new sheriff gets away from the mob?
Usually threatening to harm yourself isn't part of negotiation.
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#23

(11-01-2024, 07:00 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(10-31-2024, 10:52 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Stop talking! Please!

https://twitter.com/jbeyer1831/status/18...Q74kw&s=19

That's when he stopped riding bikes.  Age got to him. As it's getting to Trump. Father Time is undefeated. You won't find recent video of Trump engaging in physical activity.

Rooting for that process to accelerate for someone you don't like is a little disturbing. It just shows that you are truly sad that the assassins missed. I believe you would have celebrated that.

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(11-01-2024, 07:23 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 07:00 AM)mikesez Wrote: That's when he stopped riding bikes.  Age got to him. As it's getting to Trump. Father Time is undefeated. You won't find recent video of Trump engaging in physical activity.

Rooting for that process to accelerate for someone you don't like is a little disturbing. It just shows that you are truly sad that the assassins missed. I believe you would have celebrated that.

There are doctors out there that could help you.

I was rooting for the process to conclude before the election.
It didn't.
Now all possible outcomes are bad.
And I was never rooting for violence or assassination.  Assassination usually provokes vengeance and that becomes a cycle.  Last thing we need right now.  Father Time isn't going to provoke vengeance.
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#25

(11-01-2024, 07:08 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(10-31-2024, 11:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Couple things,

First, tariffs are neither good or bad, they are a weapon in the ongoing economic war between countries. Yes, it is a war, just not with bullets. The failure of our politicians to negotiate on our country's behalf has produced a huge imbalance. Some countries impose 5 times the tariffs on us that we do on them. (China for instance) This is a tax on our companies for access to their markets. On top of that there are way more restrictions on our companies then ever thought about here. In addition the EU has suddenly began using laws to fine our companies when they want money (Microsoft, Apple Google etc) Think of ways to fund their social programs....

Second the current election has many using this topic as a club to frighten people is all. In fact on CNBC the other day a very well know Wharton Professor kind of debunked a lot of what has been said. (much to the chagrin of the moderator, I believe he called it over an exaggeration)

Have you ever negotiated anything?

Of course I've negotiated things.  
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? How the new sheriff gets away from the mob?
Usually threatening to harm yourself isn't part of negotiation.

That just doesn't apply at all, you crack me up at times... LOL
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(This post was last modified: 11-01-2024, 10:13 AM by Jaguarmeister. Edited 2 times in total.)

(11-01-2024, 07:08 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(10-31-2024, 11:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Couple things,

First, tariffs are neither good or bad, they are a weapon in the ongoing economic war between countries. Yes, it is a war, just not with bullets. The failure of our politicians to negotiate on our country's behalf has produced a huge imbalance. Some countries impose 5 times the tariffs on us that we do on them. (China for instance) This is a tax on our companies for access to their markets. On top of that there are way more restrictions on our companies then ever thought about here. In addition the EU has suddenly began using laws to fine our companies when they want money (Microsoft, Apple Google etc) Think of ways to fund their social programs....

Second the current election has many using this topic as a club to frighten people is all. In fact on CNBC the other day a very well know Wharton Professor kind of debunked a lot of what has been said. (much to the chagrin of the moderator, I believe he called it over an exaggeration)

Have you ever negotiated anything?

Of course I've negotiated things.  
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? How the new sheriff gets away from the mob?
Usually threatening to harm yourself isn't part of negotiation.

That's a gross oversimplification of what happens when tariffs are applied and generally the definition used by those who don't understand or have another agenda.  There are more parties involved than just the end consumer and if there are adequate substitute goods at the same or similar prices, the end consumer and the overall economy isn't harmed at all.  Your "harm yourself" comment might apply in a scenario where there is only one country providing a particular good which happens to be a staple with demand being inelastic and a tariff is applied to that good.  A tariff should probably never be applied in that situation.  In pretty much every other scenario, the tariff applies pressure that can be relieved in many other ways that are positive for the country applying the tariff. This is before factoring in the value of the U.S. Market versus the rest of the world. It is a commodity and should be treated as such when necessary when negotiating.
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(11-01-2024, 10:09 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 07:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: Of course I've negotiated things.  
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? How the new sheriff gets away from the mob?
Usually threatening to harm yourself isn't part of negotiation.

That's a gross oversimplification of what happens when tariffs are applied and generally the definition used by those who don't understand or have another agenda.  There are more parties involved than just the end consumer and if there are adequate substitute goods at the same or similar prices, the end consumer and the overall economy isn't harmed at all.  Your "harm yourself" comment might apply in a scenario where there is only one country providing a particular good which happens to be a staple with demand being inelastic and a tariff is applied to that good.  A tariff should probably never be applied in that situation.  In pretty much every other scenario, the tariff applies pressure that can be relieved in many other ways that are positive for the country applying the tariff.  This is before factoring in the value of the U.S. Market versus the rest of the world.  It is a commodity and should be treated as such when necessary when negotiating.

Were you successful at these negotiations? 

Oversimplification is a very good word.  The cost of a 40 foot container from say Hong Kong to Columbus Ohio is about $8500 to $9500. That is quite a cost those goods must carry in their price. The trip takes time, which adds an inventory cost to this as well. There are more offsets, which are conveniently overlooked. That is what the Wharton professor was saying. He also suggested the neutral parties pushing this were not really neutral. LOL Now, let's look at the environmental cost fuel to move it, adds a bunch of carbon to the atmosphere. Guess that doesn't matter.

Bottom line Trump is most likely going to be as he was the last time. During his 4 year term inflation was about 4% over his 4 years. The current regime has been 20% over their 4 years. During that time the wages for people making less than the 50th percentile were basically flat. However those above the 90th percentile saw huge gains. The current people (as we do not actually know who that candidate reports to) are just saying anything on a high level to confuse.  Their record is the opposite of the rhetoric. Just recently the even the FED said they do not use the current administrations labor numbers as they are not correct.  They had to revise down over 800,000 jobs they reported as they were false.
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#28

(11-01-2024, 10:09 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 07:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: Of course I've negotiated things.  
Have you ever seen Blazing Saddles? How the new sheriff gets away from the mob?
Usually threatening to harm yourself isn't part of negotiation.

That's a gross oversimplification of what happens when tariffs are applied and generally the definition used by those who don't understand or have another agenda.  There are more parties involved than just the end consumer and if there are adequate substitute goods at the same or similar prices, the end consumer and the overall economy isn't harmed at all.  Your "harm yourself" comment might apply in a scenario where there is only one country providing a particular good which happens to be a staple with demand being inelastic and a tariff is applied to that good.  A tariff should probably never be applied in that situation.  In pretty much every other scenario, the tariff applies pressure that can be relieved in many other ways that are positive for the country applying the tariff.  This is before factoring in the value of the U.S. Market versus the rest of the world.  It is a commodity and should be treated as such when necessary when negotiating.

You're not up to date.
Trump used to talk about putting a tariff on one category of exports from one country at a time.
That could be a negotiation tactic. 
Now he talks about applying a 20% across the board tariffs on all items from all countries.  
That's not a negotiation tactic. Unless you think he's negotiating with 200+ countries at once?
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#29

(11-01-2024, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 10:09 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: That's a gross oversimplification of what happens when tariffs are applied and generally the definition used by those who don't understand or have another agenda.  There are more parties involved than just the end consumer and if there are adequate substitute goods at the same or similar prices, the end consumer and the overall economy isn't harmed at all.  Your "harm yourself" comment might apply in a scenario where there is only one country providing a particular good which happens to be a staple with demand being inelastic and a tariff is applied to that good.  A tariff should probably never be applied in that situation.  In pretty much every other scenario, the tariff applies pressure that can be relieved in many other ways that are positive for the country applying the tariff.  This is before factoring in the value of the U.S. Market versus the rest of the world.  It is a commodity and should be treated as such when necessary when negotiating.

You're not up to date.
Trump used to talk about putting a tariff on one category of exports from one country at a time.
That could be a negotiation tactic. 
Now he talks about applying a 20% across the board tariffs on all items from all countries.  
That's not a negotiation tactic. Unless you think he's negotiating with 200+ countries at once?

Says who?  LOL
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(11-01-2024, 12:08 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: You're not up to date.
Trump used to talk about putting a tariff on one category of exports from one country at a time.
That could be a negotiation tactic. 
Now he talks about applying a 20% across the board tariffs on all items from all countries.  
That's not a negotiation tactic. Unless you think he's negotiating with 200+ countries at once?

Says who?  LOL

Suppose you are one of 200 employees.  Boss says you're all getting a 20% pay cut.  Could that be a negotiation tactic on his part? How would you, as one of the 200 employees, counter-offer that?
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(11-01-2024, 01:00 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 12:08 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Says who?  LOL

Suppose you are one of 200 employees.  Boss says you're all getting a 20% pay cut.  Could that be a negotiation tactic on his part? How would you, as one of the 200 employees, counter-offer that?

Suppose you come up with an example that is actually meaningful to the topic? I say again who says it is not a negotiating tactic.???
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(11-01-2024, 01:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 01:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: Suppose you are one of 200 employees.  Boss says you're all getting a 20% pay cut.  Could that be a negotiation tactic on his part? How would you, as one of the 200 employees, counter-offer that?

Suppose you come up with an example that is actually meaningful to the topic? I say again who says it is not a negotiating tactic.???

Who says it is? Trump and people who defend him.  Who else?
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(11-01-2024, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 01:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Suppose you come up with an example that is actually meaningful to the topic? I say again who says it is not a negotiating tactic.???

Who says it is? Trump and people who defend him.  Who else?

LOL answering a question with a question ... thanks, just won 5 dollars ...

Actually the same can be said the other way. Those attacking Trump say it isn't.  It sure got the effect wanted from you as was intended, it has you frightened. 

They teach F&I people this basic tactic. Set the months for the Auto loan initially at 36 months. tell the customer the payment. Sometimes they will actually stand up in surprise you then say OH? you wanted 48 months, 60 months?? Dude take a course.  Karass used to teach a basic one.
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(11-01-2024, 02:30 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: Who says it is? Trump and people who defend him.  Who else?

LOL answering a question with a question ... thanks, just won 5 dollars ...

Actually the same can be said the other way. Those attacking Trump say it isn't.  It sure got the effect wanted from you as was intended, it has you frightened. 

They teach F&I people this basic tactic. Set the months for the Auto loan initially at 36 months. tell the customer the payment. Sometimes they will actually stand up in surprise you then say OH? you wanted 48 months, 60 months?? Dude take a course.  Karass used to teach a basic one.

You just described a negotiation between a car dealer and a customer for a car.

What if it's a car company (say Tesla, all dealerships corporate owned, to simplify it) telling all customers that the price just went up 20%.  Is that a negotiation?
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(11-01-2024, 02:47 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 02:30 PM)Jag149 Wrote: LOL answering a question with a question ... thanks, just won 5 dollars ...

Actually the same can be said the other way. Those attacking Trump say it isn't.  It sure got the effect wanted from you as was intended, it has you frightened. 

They teach F&I people this basic tactic. Set the months for the Auto loan initially at 36 months. tell the customer the payment. Sometimes they will actually stand up in surprise you then say OH? you wanted 48 months, 60 months?? Dude take a course.  Karass used to teach a basic one.

You just described a negotiation between a car dealer and a customer for a car.

What if it's a car company (say Tesla, all dealerships corporate owned, to simplify it) telling all customers that the price just went up 20%.  Is that a negotiation?

err that is just a price increase not a negotiation between individuals.  Also it must comply with the Monroney law for passenger vehicles.
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(11-01-2024, 02:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 02:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: You just described a negotiation between a car dealer and a customer for a car.

What if it's a car company (say Tesla, all dealerships corporate owned, to simplify it) telling all customers that the price just went up 20%.  Is that a negotiation?

err that is just a price increase not a negotiation between individuals.  Also it must comply with the Monroney law for passenger vehicles.

Exactly.
If Trump implements a 20% tariff to all countries and all sectors, that is not an opportunity for any one producer or importer to negotiate.
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(This post was last modified: 11-01-2024, 05:40 PM by Jag149. Edited 3 times in total.)

(11-01-2024, 04:33 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 02:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: err that is just a price increase not a negotiation between individuals.  Also it must comply with the Monroney law for passenger vehicles.

Exactly.
If Trump implements a 20% tariff to all countries and all sectors, that is not an opportunity for any one producer or importer to negotiate.

If Kamala does 1/3rd the stuff she has said all homeowners would be bankrupt as they would owe taxes on their home appreciation. All 401k owners would owe taxes on appreciations of their retirement savings to the government if we use that standard...lol  Are you really believing that during this political season? I thought more of you.

It is real easy to parse things out of context like this... sheesh

In addition, if that were to happen each country (not industry) would come to the table to negotiate and that would just be the beginning point. Where it ended up would be unknown. While I do not believe that would happen it would be what is called a ploy to motivate countries to come to the table. He has qualified this mentioning balanced tariffs but that doesn't fit your scare tactic agenda and conveniently left out.
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(This post was last modified: 11-01-2024, 05:51 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(11-01-2024, 05:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 04:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: Exactly.
If Trump implements a 20% tariff to all countries and all sectors, that is not an opportunity for any one producer or importer to negotiate.

If Kamala does 1/3rd the stuff she has said all homeowners would be bankrupt as they would owe taxes on their home appreciation. All 401k owners would owe taxes on appreciations of their retirement savings to the government if we use that standard...lol  Are you really believing that during this political season? I thought more of you.

It is real easy to parse things out of context like this... sheesh

In addition, if that were to happen each country (not industry) would come to the table to negotiate and that would just be the beginning point. Where it ended up would be unknown. While I do not believe that would happen it would be what is called a ploy to motivate countries to come to the table.

We weren't talking about Kamala.  I guess you agree with me about Trump but you want to justify yourself and say Kamala is just as bad.  Kamala is bad.  That tax idea of hers is terrible.  But she needs Congress to cooperate before it can happen.  She won't get that.  Trump does not need Congress to cooperate in his tariff ideas. He can do it by himself if we elect him. Our level of concern (and mockery) should be that much higher.
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(11-01-2024, 05:46 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 05:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: If Kamala does 1/3rd the stuff she has said all homeowners would be bankrupt as they would owe taxes on their home appreciation. All 401k owners would owe taxes on appreciations of their retirement savings to the government if we use that standard...lol  Are you really believing that during this political season? I thought more of you.

It is real easy to parse things out of context like this... sheesh

In addition, if that were to happen each country (not industry) would come to the table to negotiate and that would just be the beginning point. Where it ended up would be unknown. While I do not believe that would happen it would be what is called a ploy to motivate countries to come to the table.

We weren't talking about Kamala.  I guess you agree with me about Trump but you want to justify yourself and say Kamala is just as bad.  Kamala is bad.  That tax idea of hers is terrible.  But she needs Congress to cooperate before it can happen.  She won't get that.  Trump does not need Congress to cooperate in his tariff ideas.  He can do it by himself if we elect him.  Our level of concern (and mockery) should be that much higher.

Read the bolded...
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(11-01-2024, 05:58 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(11-01-2024, 05:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: We weren't talking about Kamala.  I guess you agree with me about Trump but you want to justify yourself and say Kamala is just as bad.  Kamala is bad.  That tax idea of hers is terrible.  But she needs Congress to cooperate before it can happen.  She won't get that.  Trump does not need Congress to cooperate in his tariff ideas.  He can do it by himself if we elect him.  Our level of concern (and mockery) should be that much higher.

Read the bolded...

What would there be to negotiate?
Most of the countries that would be affected aren't doing anything to screw us, so what could they offer us to get their tariff lowered?
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