What TE metrics?

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46...te-metrics

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http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46...te-metrics

 

Thanks for that, interesting read. I'm not really sure how that exposes Amaro though.

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Thanks for that, interesting read. I'm not really sure how that exposes Amaro though.

 

Because look at how the bulk of Amaro's catches; they came from 1-5 yards and also lined up in the slot. Thats not the kind of TE I want. By contrast, look at a guy like Niklas - His catches were more spread out and did well in the intermediate range (think deep seam) which IMO is what you are looking for from your TE. Also, Niklas was able to accomplish this while lining up as a conventional TE, which is more impressive and suggests a more seamless transition and transferable game to the pros. 

 

Not to mention Niklas is easily the better blocker of the 2. 

 

Their drop rates are similar, which again, given that Niklas' catch chart is more spread out than Amaro's mostly 1-5 yarders, makes Niklas more impressive in that category. PLayers aren't going to drop too many 1-5 yarders....

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That says a lot more about the offensive system than the player.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Because look at how the bulk of Amaro's catches; they came from 1-5 yards and also lined up in the slot. Thats not the kind of TE I want. By contrast, look at a guy like Niklas - His catches were more spread out and did well in the intermediate range (think deep seam) which IMO is what you are looking for from your TE. Also, Niklas was able to accomplish this while lining up as a conventional TE, which is more impressive and suggests a more seamless transition and transferable game to the pros. 

 

Not to mention Niklas is easily the better blocker of the 2. 

 

Their drop rates are similar, which again, given that Niklas' catch chart is more spread out than Amaro's mostly 1-5 yarders, makes Niklas more impressive in that category. PLayers aren't going to drop too many 1-5 yarders....

 

I like Niklas also, but regarding Amaro -- aren't you faulting the player for running the routes that the coaches designed for him? If they're running him on 6-yard crosses 30 times a game, that doesn't mean he can't stretch the seam, maybe his coaches are chicken and like safe throws, or maybe his QB can't make that throw. Could be a ton of reasons other than something to do with Amaro's ability. 

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That says a lot more about the offensive system than the player.

 

Guess I could've just typed this also  :teehee:

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That says a lot more about the offensive system than the player.

 

Agreed, but I think it also could suggest - combined with Amaro's size/ skill set, that he might have a more difficult time transferring his game to the pro's unless - the team that drafts him alters their offense to use Amaro like he was used in college. 

 

Personally, if given the choice, I'd rather just draft a guy like Niklas who excels at the TE position the way most pro teams ask from it. 

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I dont like the funky delivery, Almost a semi-sidearm motion.

 

Like Philip Rivers?

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Jacksonville Jaguars


Top needs: QB, DE, RT, WR


Round 1 (3) LB Khalil Mack, Buffalo

Round 2 (39) QB Derek Carr, Fresno St.

Round 3 (70) WR Allen Robinson, Penn St.


Analysis: The new leadership group in Jacksonville has done a good job working to retool the roster in terms of overall talent and depth, and if I'm making the pick, I'm not ready yet to go against that philosophy and risk a slow learning curve for one of the quarterbacks just because so many believe I need "identity" at the position. I see the strides made in the second half of last season, and I think my first goal is: "Take a great football player." That's Mack, a high-impact pass-rusher and a great player in space. With Mack on board, I like the value proposition of Carr in Round 2. I don't consider him an immediate starter, but he will compete for it soon, and I feel good about the pick because I didn't put so much franchise stock into the position in Round 1. I considered a couple tackles at No. 70, but instead add the talented Robinson, who is closer to a first-rounder in most years, and a player who gives me a reliable size element and some field-stretching ability in my passing attack. Don't forget, the Jags have a trio of fourth-round picks, too.


http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=1...GradeA2014

I'd love that one.  Too bad only the round 1 pick is realistic.

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Whoever thinks that Niklas will fall past pick 50 is misguided. 

More like Green Bay at #53, but yes I agree.

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I'd love that one.  Too bad only the round 1 pick is realistic.

I'm kind of feeling that way, too. I don't think Carr makes it past Cleveland's 26th overall pick, and I don't really think that Robinson makes it out of two.

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I'm kind of feeling that way, too. I don't think Carr makes it past Cleveland's 26th overall pick, and I don't really think that Robinson makes it out of two.

Carr, Manziel or Garropolo will be there in the 2nd round.

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Hope it's Carr.

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Hope it's Carr.

 

So, you're essentially "hoping" we botch another QB selection. :wacko: 

 

Some on here boggle my mind...

 

You're asking for several more years of mediocre QB play with that guy. 

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So, you're essentially "hoping" we botch another QB selection. :wacko:

 

Some on here boggle my mind...

 

You're asking for several more years of mediocre QB play with that guy. 

So, basically, you believe that one bad game against USC and being David Carr's little brother guarantees his failure.

 

I wonder why no NFL front office--shoot, why no fourth-rate NFL draft "scouting" site run out of someone's mother's basement has offered you a job.

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I want no part of Carr.  Replace him with Garoppolo and I will be dancing in the streets with excitment.

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I want no part of Carr.  Replace him with Garoppolo and I will be dancing in the streets with excitment.

 

I know, right?....

 

I'm starting to think that the people that post on here saying they want the Jags to draft Carr are really just fans of other AFCS division teams that want to see us continue to suck for some more years. 

 

Because thats pretty much why I hope that either the Texans or Titans draft Carr (the Colts won't at this point). 

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So, you're essentially "hoping" we botch another QB selection. :wacko:


Some on here boggle my mind...


You're asking for several more years of mediocre QB play with that guy.

So you're saying people with different opinions than you boggle your mind?

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AT least I tried to use my own words based off of what I saw from the player....lol. Is the 1st paragraph above a flat out copy/ paste?? Have you ever seen Robinson play? The lacking top end speed thing I think was said on at least 2 of the 3 players you recommended there and they don't even have the size benefit Robinson has (2 of them are tiny WR). Not sure where they are coming up with Robinson being "robotic". He's very smooth out there. Route running a work in progress?? ----when was this written a year or 2 ago? Saw little evidence of that by last year. Doesn't project to a #1 or a #2? Not only do I disagree with that, but that very same line is actually true about all 3 you recommend. "Not a gamer but fights for every yard".....lol, I see that writer likes to contradict himself.... As for sometimes cradling the ball in some longer catches and not "always" using his hands - you know who else does/ did that occasionally or more? - Torrey/ Jimmy Smith....

 

Bargain if the Jags were able to get him in the 3rd. But I agree with your last point - Abbrederis, Landry and quite possibly Herron might be there as late as the 4th because they aren't as good as Robinson. 

 

Not sure why you'd prefer a "role" player, which those 3 project to as receivers, than getting a guy like Robinson who projects as a bonafide starter and potentially high level pro WR on the outside. 

 

Please proceed to copy and paste my entire post, this and the aforementioned post if you so choose to [embarrass yourself], google the results, and present the results in this very thread before you accuse me of plagiarism.

 

I disagree with virtually every aspect of your analysis. Robinson does not project as a "bonafide starter" [in the NFL] because he simply does not get enough separation. Add insult to injury in regards to Robinson's lack of ball skills and you have a raw but mediocre prospect who does not show enough to be considered a featured receiver on the next level.

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Please proceed to copy and paste my entire post, this and the aforementioned post if you so choose to [embarrass yourself], google the results, and present the results in this very thread before you accuse me of plagiarism.


I disagree with virtually every aspect of your analysis. Robinson does not project as a "bonafide starter" [in the NFL] because he simply does not get enough separation. Add insult to injury in regards to Robinson's lack of ball skills and you have a raw but mediocre prospect who does not show enough to be considered a featured receiver on the next level.

He's just salty because you sound like you know what you're talking about and didn't use any of his preferred terminology like "Ham&Egger" "Garbage" or "Football sounding name".

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