If we can't get Ben Johnson Liam Cohen would be a nice consolation imo. Learned under mcvay and baker had a helluva year with him, he can work his magic with tlaw next.

Probly not a popular choice but I wouldnt mind Kingsbury for similar reasons, plus he has head coaching experience that he hopefully learned from.

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Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

I’m not pinning it all on Baalke.

Doug sucks too. They both suck.

However, do you see the same patterns in SF creeping up in Jacksonville? Disconnect between HC and GM with the GM blaming the HC for all the problems?

The press conference was all Shad and Trent blaming Doug for the entire downfall and taking no accountability. That’s a snake.

I think we all agree that both sides had a hand in this demise. I would pin more of the blame on Baalke than Doug but they both suck and both should be fired (hopefully Trent will be as well).

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If we can't get Ben Johnson Liam Cohen would be a nice consolation imo. Learned under mcvay and baker had a helluva year with him, he can work his magic with tlaw next.

Probly not a popular choice but I wouldnt mind Kingsbury for similar reasons, plus he has head coaching experience that he hopefully learned from.

Agreed. I put the same label on Joe Brady and Kellen Moore. Joe took over for Buffalo's offense mid season in 2023 and they haven't really looked back since. Josh Allen has played his best football in his career. 

Kellen had good success in Dallas and got a lot out of Prescott. He got a little lost in Los Angeles with Herbert being injured. He's absolutely killed it this season with the Eagles.

Kingsbury is interesting. Not 100% sold on him yet. Wouldn't mind seeing what Wes Phillips can do from Minnesota.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I like Dan personality wise. I'll be interested to see how that team fares once the coordinators take head coaching jobs elsewhere.  I don't think Dan is taking over the reigns for either one as successfully as they are doing right now.  I think he needs good coordinators.

I agree, however the Lions could open the bank to keep them you know...

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It wasn’t just Campbell.

I was reading a breakdown of how it all went down and it started with the Owner. She took accountability of all it. Got the entire building to be a family. Then they hired Campbell and Holmes together. 

Watching Shad yesterday, he doesn’t think anything is wrong with the culture. Just Pederson.

That’s the most worrisome part.

I agree, starts at the top

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"average to above average drafting + one good free agent period and one objectively bad free agent period" 

Hardly sounds as black and white as you are trying to make it there. 

Actually sounds like a pretty objective take on Trent's tenure thus far. 

And you aren't asking me - but I think GM, HC, his staff, and the players all have lots of blame to share in the 2023 collapse + 2024 miserable failure.

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He's a speculator with more sources than us, but sure. He speculates plenty.

Absolutely, but after 13 years of Khan it's very obvious his circle is very tight and small, and he said so himself that he mainly just speaks with Trent and Ethan. These reporters have been just throwing [BLEEP] and seeing if it sticks to the wall.

Huh? 

He said in this week's presser he was open to hearing from coaching candidates about front office changes and when pressed about Trent being in the final year of his contract - he would not commit to renewing it. 

He also said:
"What Trent is doing and what I am doing is serving the HC to succeed"

Asked about EVP or other execs? 
"We need to add some people - we are lean - if we find the right guy - definitely. "

Are you claiming to know how many people are involved in his head coach search and who they are? 

You sound like you should know something about throwing [BLEEP] at the wall from personal experience.

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The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

I’m not pinning it all on Baalke.

Doug sucks too. They both suck.

However, do you see the same patterns in SF creeping up in Jacksonville? Disconnect between HC and GM with the GM blaming the HC for all the problems?

The press conference was all Shad and Trent blaming Doug for the entire downfall and taking no accountability. That’s a snake.

I think we all agree that both sides had a hand in this demise. I would pin more of the blame on Baalke than Doug but they both suck and both should be fired (hopefully Trent will be as well).

Agreed. We can all speculate. I think what hurt Doug is the fact that we went 9 - 8 in back to back years with relatively the same staff, and, depending on who had what responsibility wise? 

Doug had most of the blame to shoulder. He was the one that decided to fire Mike Caldwell and hire a downgrade in Ryan Nielsen. He may have also went against Khan's wishes regarding offensive play calling duties.

The same snake trail that followed Baalke from SF to here was the same narrative and issues that followed Pederson from PHI to here. With all that said. Baalke should be gone along with him.

He has had 38 overall draft selections and he's spent close to half a billion dollars over the past two seasons via free agency and if the best you can do is 9 - 8 in back to back years and now this cluster [BLEEP]? Mostly due to injuries again, same narrative that derailed the team in 2023, he's at fault for that as well.

Again, it was nice seeing Bigsby, Miller and Strange look good... last year, too bad they didn't offer much to the team in 2023. That was my biggest takeaway with Baalke. Regardless of how the coaching was, looked or felt. The numbers don't lie. There's no impact players on this roster outside of maybe five in total.

That's not going to cut it in the NFL. Even if you pin the offensive line shortcomings on Pederson. Okay, that's fine. Why did the secondary stink it up? Why did the defensive front not have any viable pass rushing threats? Didn't Baalke trade two of our potential pass rushers in our rotation away prior to the regular season?

He should have taken the fall for that as well.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I agree, however the Lions could open the bank to keep them you know...

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I agree, starts at the top

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Absolutely, but after 13 years of Khan it's very obvious his circle is very tight and small, and he said so himself that he mainly just speaks with Trent and Ethan. These reporters have been just throwing [BLEEP] and seeing if it sticks to the wall.

Huh? 

He said in this week's presser he was open to hearing from coaching candidates about front office changes and when pressed about Trent being in the final year of his contract - he would not commit to renewing it. 

He also said:
"What Trent is doing and what I am doing is serving the HC to succeed"

Asked about EVP or other execs? 
"We need to add some people - we are lean - if we find the right guy - definitely. "

Are you claiming to know how many people are involved in his head coach search and who they are? 

You sound like you should know something about throwing [BLEEP] at the wall from personal experience.

Yeah no you're missing the point. What I am saying, is nobody knows what Shad is going to do. How many reporters said absolute [BLEEP] this week? Nothing was even remotely on point with Shad, and truly never has been in 13 years. NEVER has been. I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that at this point. At this point, that is an absolute fact. 

He was also asked who HAS he been consulting with, and that it was Trent/Ethan and to a degree Doug. Nobody else. Would he be open to others chiming it? Well he sure as [BLEEP] better be or is 64-148 career record is going to get a whole lot worse if it doesn't start being open minded. First thing he should do is consult someone else and ask what a clean slate means, because to Shad that means firing 85 people including the cooks and medical staff.

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Might be old news, but I just saw a post by Schefter that the HC will have say as to who the GM will be. So Baalke might still be fired.

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Here we go again

Huh? 

He said in this week's presser he was open to hearing from coaching candidates about front office changes and when pressed about Trent being in the final year of his contract - he would not commit to renewing it. 

He also said:
"What Trent is doing and what I am doing is serving the HC to succeed"

Asked about EVP or other execs? 
"We need to add some people - we are lean - if we find the right guy - definitely. "

Are you claiming to know how many people are involved in his head coach search and who they are? 

You sound like you should know something about throwing [BLEEP] at the wall from personal experience.

Yeah no you're missing the point. What I am saying, is nobody knows what Shad is going to do. How many reporters said absolute [BLEEP] this week? Nothing was even remotely on point with Shad, and truly never has been in 13 years. NEVER has been. I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that at this point. At this point, that is an absolute fact. 

He was also asked who HAS he been consulting with, and that it was Trent/Ethan and to a degree Doug. Nobody else. Would he be open to others chiming it? Well he sure as [BLEEP] better be or is 64-148 career record is going to get a whole lot worse if it doesn't start being open minded. First thing he should do is consult someone else and ask what a clean slate means, because to Shad that means firing 85 people including the cooks and medical staff.

I think you may be taking some of his comments from that presser too literally. 

But whatever.

Everyone seems eager to advance their takes on Khan right now. 
Most are understandably negative. 
Most of those ignore reality and rely on assumption and hyperbole. 

I'm not going to claim to know his mind or method for this offseason,and maybe it is myopic and flawed. 
Maybe not. 
But I think it would be foolish to believe he's saying he'd let a new HC push Trent out the door while he's leaning on Trent and Ethan as his only help in a coaching search.
Plus - the question he answered wasn't about the search it was about "football decisions" and he clearly answered based upon in-season issues and player-personnel acquisition. He didn't answer the question in terms of a coaching search 

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The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

I’m not pinning it all on Baalke.

Doug sucks too. They both suck.

However, do you see the same patterns in SF creeping up in Jacksonville? Disconnect between HC and GM with the GM blaming the HC for all the problems?

The press conference was all Shad and Trent blaming Doug for the entire downfall and taking no accountability. That’s a snake.

I think we all agree that both sides had a hand in this demise. I would pin more of the blame on Baalke than Doug but they both suck and both should be fired (hopefully Trent will be as well).

Maybe you should watch that again.

I heard them both take blame repeatedly and I'm rewatching right now. So far - each has claimed ownership of mistakes twice and I'm a third of the way in.

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Huh? 

He said in this week's presser he was open to hearing from coaching candidates about front office changes and when pressed about Trent being in the final year of his contract - he would not commit to renewing it. 

He also said:
"What Trent is doing and what I am doing is serving the HC to succeed"

Asked about EVP or other execs? 
"We need to add some people - we are lean - if we find the right guy - definitely. "

Are you claiming to know how many people are involved in his head coach search and who they are? 

You sound like you should know something about throwing [BLEEP] at the wall from personal experience.

Yeah no you're missing the point. What I am saying, is nobody knows what Shad is going to do. How many reporters said absolute [BLEEP] this week? Nothing was even remotely on point with Shad, and truly never has been in 13 years. NEVER has been. I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that at this point. At this point, that is an absolute fact. 

He was also asked who HAS he been consulting with, and that it was Trent/Ethan and to a degree Doug. Nobody else. Would he be open to others chiming it? Well he sure as [BLEEP] better be or is 64-148 career record is going to get a whole lot worse if it doesn't start being open minded. First thing he should do is consult someone else and ask what a clean slate means, because to Shad that means firing 85 people including the cooks and medical staff.

That remark bothered me. Good call out on the clean slate part. He's been in the NFL long enough to know what the hell that means. We see NFL teams doing this yearly. "So and so is out in X along with so and so". Usually you don't see a team fire the head chef and keep the same procurer of goods.

It's common sense really. In fairness to Khan. I think what can be said, is that, Baalke, for better or worse, he did bring some sense of stability to the franchise. He has been apart of two roster builds that did technically put the team (barely) over .500 in back to back seasons.

Unfortunately that may have been all it takes for Khan to see Baalke as legitimate and not the main problem here. I am still not entirely impressed with his roster building abilities. Especially with the money spent and the draft positions he had at his disposal. 

I'll say it now. If he fails to land three quality starters and at least one of those three starters actually being an immediate impact player? He [BLEEP] sucks and he should never get another chance at managing another franchise.

With picks 5, 41, 72, 94 & 108. He should be able to carve out more than one quality starter and land an immediate impact player.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

No.  I don't want to be rude as I respect your history here, but you can't have fully read and digested my post and still condensed it to that.  I still like Doug even though there are warranted criticisms of how he handled things.  It was a perfect storm of [BLEEP] this past season and someone apparently had to go.  Prior to the news, I said I leaned toward both being retained and a mulligan given for this season though I wouldn't put a ton of confidence behind that statement and wouldn't be shocked either way.  I don't think there is a clear scapegoat for last year.  It was a lot of little [BLEEP] here and there that when added up manifested in the results we ended up getting.

Someone here recently reminded us of Khan's comment regarding "I know who I want to be calling plays" from a year or so ago and then we get the coyness out of Doug this year about who is calling plays knowing full well it was Press.  That kinda jives with how his exit in Philly went.  I don't jump on any speculation as the god's honest truth as many others do, but if you line that comment up with how reality went, it's probable that Pederson was so loyal and committed to his guy that he would defy an owner's desires and then we got the season we got for the multiple reasons I listed above and many more I didn't and he became the fall guy that he was apparently prepared to be given how that scenario played out. Is that any clearer?

Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

Yes I think the roster underperformed versus what I believe to be a generally talented or at least young ascending in talent roster.  I don't necessarily put that all on Pederson though.  I think anyone saying one singular thing is the cause of what ailed us last year has got blinders on.

Shad gets portrayed by some as a bumbling idiot because we had a bad season.  I don't buy that.  Building a consistent winner in pro football is difficult.  The outcome of a game is often determined by a handful or less of plays and the emotions of fans swing wildly depending on that outcome.  Offenses, defenses and special teams don't play games in a vacuum.  They are all dependent on each other for victory most of the time.  Special teams was overall good enough last year, but offense and defense let us down at different times and probably the defense deserves the larger share of the blame of the two.  However, we decided to change schemes on defense last offseason knowing we didn't have all the pieces to run it effectively immediately and Armstead was largely out of position for the majority of it.  Whose decisions were these and were proper expectations set?  I don't know, but I bet Khan knows. 

Also, individual stats are often a product of more than one person.  I'm thinking sacks here specifically but you could apply it to almost anything stat wise in football.  If we get the secondary properly addressed this offseason presuming we don't again shift course on scheme, I expect those sack numbers for everyone to increase somewhat dramatically in 2025.  I think we may have the pieces everywhere else even at DT if Armstead moves in full time, but additional depth may still be needed.  Fixing the secondary alone will probably put us in contention again next year, but we need to be able to keep Trevor healthy as well as my interest wanes a bit with Mac or another back up in the game knowing the sky is no longer the limit and more likely completely out of reach.  So the O-line needs some additional addressing as well.

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Yeah no you're missing the point. What I am saying, is nobody knows what Shad is going to do. How many reporters said absolute [BLEEP] this week? Nothing was even remotely on point with Shad, and truly never has been in 13 years. NEVER has been. I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that at this point. At this point, that is an absolute fact. 

He was also asked who HAS he been consulting with, and that it was Trent/Ethan and to a degree Doug. Nobody else. Would he be open to others chiming it? Well he sure as [BLEEP] better be or is 64-148 career record is going to get a whole lot worse if it doesn't start being open minded. First thing he should do is consult someone else and ask what a clean slate means, because to Shad that means firing 85 people including the cooks and medical staff.

I think you may be taking some of his comments from that presser too literally. 

But whatever.

Everyone seems eager to advance their takes on Khan right now. 
Most are understandably negative. 
Most of those ignore reality and rely on assumption and hyperbole. 

I'm not going to claim to know his mind or method for this offseason,and maybe it is myopic and flawed. 
Maybe not. 
But I think it would be foolish to believe he's saying he'd let a new HC push Trent out the door while he's leaning on Trent and Ethan as his only help in a coaching search.

I also think it would be foolish to not acknowledge that Shad has done ONE GM search in his 13 year tenure here. Baalke was an inside hire. Why Shad? I think it would be foolish to not question, why not do a full reset and find your GM first? I been on the record many times saying I believe it's moronic to allow a rookie HC or a previously failed HC his choice of GM. It's an all in decision, that doesn't need to be. If, (insert whatever rookie/failed HC), ends up a poor HC (which happens all the time with coordinators turned HC)- What do you do with the GM brought in? Fire both in a year? 2 years? It's a legit concern, and I think this has all the ingredients to blow up. There are very few HC's who should have that type of power to control the entire structure. Another fork in the road, is Baalke stays GM, new coach does pretty well... maybe 9-8... makes the playoffs... wins the WC game, loses next round (sounds familiar to Doug doesn't it)- What then do you do with Baalke who has 1 year left? Well, if you make the playoffs you must extend him right? The cockroach survives yet again, with an inevitable downfall a year or so away (How many HC fall outs with Baalke now? 6?). 

There is then the last scenario where new rookie HC comes in, brings in his own GM, works perfectly - and we all are happy. I SURE HOPE SO. However, as a tenured Jags fan, misery is our best company. I won't have that type of hope, nor should it be expected either. I expect it to be a disaster, but I'll still watch and just get excited about top 10 picks and a once in a while WC appearance. Maybe the sportsbooks will open up a prop bet about when the first commercial of the draft will be, which we all know, is before the Jags pick. 

I just wish Shad would be much more forward thinking, it's not year 1 it's year 13. I thought the best situation would have been for Shad to fire both GM/HC and consult outside the building to find a firm GM in place that we can stick with if a few coaches come in as lame ducks which happens regularly in the NFL. This just feels like overcomplicating a very simple situation imo, but again... my minimal to non-existent hope is that it works to the best situation possible.

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Interesting, if nothing else.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/4331...eing-fired

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Yeah no you're missing the point. What I am saying, is nobody knows what Shad is going to do. How many reporters said absolute [BLEEP] this week? Nothing was even remotely on point with Shad, and truly never has been in 13 years. NEVER has been. I don't know how much more evidence you need to know that at this point. At this point, that is an absolute fact. 

He was also asked who HAS he been consulting with, and that it was Trent/Ethan and to a degree Doug. Nobody else. Would he be open to others chiming it? Well he sure as [BLEEP] better be or is 64-148 career record is going to get a whole lot worse if it doesn't start being open minded. First thing he should do is consult someone else and ask what a clean slate means, because to Shad that means firing 85 people including the cooks and medical staff.

I think you may be taking some of his comments from that presser too literally. 

But whatever.

Everyone seems eager to advance their takes on Khan right now. 
Most are understandably negative. 
Most of those ignore reality and rely on assumption and hyperbole. 

I'm not going to claim to know his mind or method for this offseason,and maybe it is myopic and flawed. 
Maybe not. 
But I think it would be foolish to believe he's saying he'd let a new HC push Trent out the door while he's leaning on Trent and Ethan as his only help in a coaching search.
Plus - the question he answered wasn't about the search it was about "football decisions" and he clearly answered based upon in-season issues and player-personnel acquisition. He didn't answer the question in terms of a coaching search 

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I’m not pinning it all on Baalke.

Doug sucks too. They both suck.

However, do you see the same patterns in SF creeping up in Jacksonville? Disconnect between HC and GM with the GM blaming the HC for all the problems?

The press conference was all Shad and Trent blaming Doug for the entire downfall and taking no accountability. That’s a snake.

I think we all agree that both sides had a hand in this demise. I would pin more of the blame on Baalke than Doug but they both suck and both should be fired (hopefully Trent will be as well).

Maybe you should watch that again.

I heard them both take blame repeatedly and I'm rewatching right now. So far - each has claimed ownership of mistakes twice and I'm a third of the way in.

What mistakes did they specifically admit to? I’m curious.

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I think you may be taking some of his comments from that presser too literally. 

But whatever.

Everyone seems eager to advance their takes on Khan right now. 
Most are understandably negative. 
Most of those ignore reality and rely on assumption and hyperbole. 

I'm not going to claim to know his mind or method for this offseason,and maybe it is myopic and flawed. 
Maybe not. 
But I think it would be foolish to believe he's saying he'd let a new HC push Trent out the door while he's leaning on Trent and Ethan as his only help in a coaching search.
Plus - the question he answered wasn't about the search it was about "football decisions" and he clearly answered based upon in-season issues and player-personnel acquisition. He didn't answer the question in terms of a coaching search 

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Maybe you should watch that again.

I heard them both take blame repeatedly and I'm rewatching right now. So far - each has claimed ownership of mistakes twice and I'm a third of the way in.

What mistakes did they specifically admit to? I’m curious.

LOL

Watch it yourself, pal. 

You're the one misrepresenting their words, not me.

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What mistakes did they specifically admit to? I’m curious.

LOL

Watch it yourself, pal. 

You're the one misrepresenting their words, not me.

I legit don’t care to rewatch it. It was bad.

So did they specifically admit to certain mistakes or not? 

They said things like “we have to be better” but that just blowing hot air. Shad saying “we were too predictable on offense and defense” is a direct shot at coaching. He didn’t take direct shots at anyone else.

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https://twitter.com/schultz_report/statu...915L-t18Xg

Looks like he’s set up to interview. Now all he’s gotta do is tell Shad he doesn’t want Baalke and we are cooking.

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It's amazing to watch self serving know it alls try to tell the rest of the board what is happening, when they always told us that we can't trust the media when it served their agenda.

Look, at the end of the day, there is going to be a huge upheavel.

Tony Boselli, the HOF Jaguar told us on Monday that it was X's and O's that was the problem.

So the Jimmy and Joes guys lost.

Imagine the mental dissonance of listening to Boselli telling everyone that it was the coaching that was wrong...

We are lost. It was always both.

It's always been a problem with ownership and GM management. But there were so many of us telling you that the coaching staff was trash.

It's time we just get right with reality. Coaching matters. Drafting also matters. But if we have an Owner that has no clue what the heck he's doing, who is the voice of reason? There is none. It's just a bunch of noise that makes everything fail.

When was the last time we had all parties creating a culture and pushing the same way? We're not going to be successful untill we get Baalke out. I hope to the football gods that the interviewing coaches are telling Shad that he needs to figure out the ideology of the franchise and how he would cultivate such a thing.

Without the Owner buying into a HC, and just listening to a worm tongue we'll continue to be a failure.

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Johnson interviewing Saturday

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/footbal...ngNewsVerp

Tony Pauline reports the Jaguars are believed to be all-in on landing Lions OC Ben Johnson as their next head coach.

The presence of Jaguars GM Trent Baalke, who was not fired alongside former HC Doug Pederson, is expected to cause issues for Jacksonville in their head coaching search just like it did in 2022 given Baalke’s reputation around the league.

However, Pauline says Baalke may soon transition into a senior or consulting role with the organization after he guides owner Shad Khan through another coaching search and potentially a search for another executive to add to the front office.

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So we're gonna get a high end OC, while having a snake GM?

It' doesn't matter. It's not going to make any sense until Baalke is gone

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So we're gonna get a high end OC, while having a snake GM?

It' doesn't matter.  It's not going to make any sense until Baalke is gone

Rumor (and again, just a rumor) that Ben Johnson was initially out for the Jags because he didn’t want to be with Baalke.

Then Khan and Ben Johnson’s agent talked and he flipped. Now he’s interviewing. 

Again. Just a rumor.

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