Robert Salah would be an absolute nightmare. He was pure garbage as a head coach for the Jets.

I give him the best odds for getting the job. He's used to working with crap rosters, he's a defensive minded guy, he's got ties to SF, and he's already shown that he will be the bigger person when the dook hits the fan. Management will be overly enamored with all of these qualities, he'll be a misfit for what we want to do, lather, rinse, repeat.

Don't bother desiring nice things. It only leads to disappointment.

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I’m from NY and I can promise you Salah is the last guy you want here. His teams are unprepared and undisciplined and he never holds anyone accountable. Most of my friends are die hard jets fans and they’ve wanted him gone for the last 2 years and with good reason. He’s awful. Basically a very expensive head cheerleader.

Doug 2.0, here we come!

I don't think Saleh gets the nod here. I think if anything he's the guy you pivot and try to convince to spend a year or two just being a defensive coordinator. I think Baalke is going to lean on offense, he's going to want somebody young, someone he can dig his claws into with his experience and try and push him to call the offense.

I think Vegas has the right of it. It's going to be somebody like Liam Coen, maybe Kellen Moore. Ben Johnson is still out there as well. I wouldn't rule him out just yet. If Khan tells him that he'll have his back, that he can come to him directly and bypass Baalke, etc. 

He might sway him to come on down. Money talks as well.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'm  am telling you all this right now. you can book it.   Jags need to hire Ben Johnson he is that guy to turn us around. anyone else we will continue to lose with.  

if your wondering what my source is,its real life. I watch him lead the school i gratruted  from to 2 state championships.    I'm telling you all right now [font='PT Sans', sans-serif]Ben Johnson  is him.  [/font]

[font='PT Sans', sans-serif]I haven't been as postive as i use to be about the jags last few years,but i didn't believe in who they hired.   I believe in [font='PT Sans', sans-serif]Ben Johnson  100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%.[/font][/font]

[font='PT Sans', sans-serif][font='PT Sans', sans-serif]if jags hire anyone else we will contintue to lose.  I am telling you all this right now [font='PT Sans', sans-serif]Ben Johnson  is the guy jags need.   how confideninet am i in this.  this confidnet.  [/font][/font][/font]


[font='PT Sans', sans-serif][font='PT Sans', sans-serif][font='PT Sans', sans-serif]Who ever Ben end up with as HC in 2 to 3 years he will lead that team to a Super Bowl win.  I guarantee it!!!!!![/font][/font][/font]

Prepare yourself for disappointment, snowy.

If you want it to happen, it won't. Get all-in on the worst candidate. That way, when the team does the opposite, you are pleasantly surprised.

I really, really don't want to deal with the meltdown when Johnson takes literally any other job. We all know it's coming.

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Something deep in my gut says we’ll end up with Kellen Moore.

Or it’s the street tacos I had last night.

Whether it’s Moore or not…who I certainly wouldn’t mind, I think what we need is a young mind and not some retread.  This is the way the successful NFL teams are going now.  This was why I was one of the few that wanted Leftwich during the last search.  It had ZERO to do that he was a former Jag (sorry flgoofnjags).  Would he have been successful…who knows.  Would we have been in any worse shape now?  Probably not.  Please no [BLEEP] retreads!!

Moore would be great for Trevor.

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If the HC is gonna have power over the GM why are we keeping Baalke.

Surely you should get the coach a GM he wants

If what Pete Priscois reporting is accurate, Baalke is either going to be gone, or his decision making power will be neutered by a HC with ability to overrule him.

It's weird, but it's how they are getting the HC interviews they want, so I get it.

I don't think his talent evaluation in the draft has been horrendous.  It's been average to above average in my opinion and my concern is that we've historically been way below average in the years prior to him being here.  So, it could be and has been a lot worse in my opinion.  I do think the trade back and still landing Brian Thomas move probably saved him.  He had a criticized at the time but ultimately well managed free agency period 3 years ago.  Then we did very little in free agency two years ago.  And finally, he had an objectively poorly managed free agency period last offseason.  It's certainly debatable and I wouldn't have been shocked had he been fired, but I can see the other side of it.  And although those free agents that were brought in contributed to our woes this year, there were many other factors including offensive play design at times with receivers way down the field in the same spot, drops on 3rd down at key moments in games, injuries, some questionable if not bad calls by refs in the early part of the season that absolutely contributed to the final score of a few games, scheme change on defense without all the pieces to properly run it, etc.

Also, a new GM is going to want his guys and would be blowing this roster up.  Some might want that, but I think there are enough good young players already on the roster not to have to or want to do that.  We lost something like 10 one score games. We're not that far away from being back to where we were at 8-3 playing for the 1 seed a little over a year ago in my opinion. I think that's largely what Khan is thinking as well.

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if the jags don't find a way to get  Ben Johnson then they will never be winners.  [font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif] Ben Johnson is him. were ever he ends up he will have that team winning a Super Bowl in 3 year or less. [/font]

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

if the jags don't find a way to get  Ben Johnson then they will never be winners.  [font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif] Ben Johnson is him. were ever he ends up he will have that team winning a Super Bowl in 3 year or less. [/font]

Come on I'd love Ben Johnson but it's not like he's a sure thing.

He's a brilliant playcaller but that doesn't always make an elite HC

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Best scenario would be Johnson as HC and calling the O, Salah as DC (he has been here before)

That coaching staff may calm me down a bit. I still think we have a lot to offer a HC and are a good landing spot. It will just be interesting to see how the decision making and final say works itself out.

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if the jags don't find a way to get  Ben Johnson then they will never be winners.  [font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif] Ben Johnson is him. were ever he ends up he will have that team winning a Super Bowl in 3 year or less. [/font]

Come on I'd love Ben Johnson but it's not like he's a sure thing.

He's a brilliant playcaller but that doesn't always make an elite HC

That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

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If what Pete Priscois reporting is accurate, Baalke is either going to be gone, or his decision making power will be neutered by a HC with ability to overrule him.

It's weird, but it's how they are getting the HC interviews they want, so I get it.

I don't think his talent evaluation in the draft has been horrendous.  It's been average to above average in my opinion and my concern is that we've historically been way below average in the years prior to him being here.  So, it could be and has been a lot worse in my opinion.  I do think the trade back and still landing Brian Thomas move probably saved him.  He had a criticized at the time but ultimately well managed free agency period 3 years ago.  Then we did very little in free agency two years ago.  And finally, he had an objectively poorly managed free agency period last offseason.  It's certainly debatable and I wouldn't have been shocked had he been fired, but I can see the other side of it.  And although those free agents that were brought in contributed to our woes this year, there were many other factors including offensive play design at times with receivers way down the field in the same spot, drops on 3rd down at key moments in games, injuries, some questionable if not bad calls by refs in the early part of the season that absolutely contributed to the final score of a few games, scheme change on defense without all the pieces to properly run it, etc.

Also, a new GM is going to want his guys and would be blowing this roster up.  Some might want that, but I think there are enough good young players already on the roster not to have to or want to do that.  We lost something like 10 one score games.  We're not that far away from being back to where we were at 8-3 playing for the 1 seed a little over a year ago in my opinion.  I think that's largely what Khan is thinking as well.

So you’re team “it was all Doug Pedersons fault”.

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If the HC is gonna have power over the GM why are we keeping Baalke.

Surely you should get the coach a GM he wants

If what Pete Priscois reporting is accurate, Baalke is either going to be gone, or his decision making power will be neutered by a HC with ability to overrule him.

It's weird, but it's how they are getting the HC interviews they want, so I get it.

I already knew this, but it should damn sure be evident to EVERYONE after this (all media basically was wrong) to everyone that nobody knows what Shad will do/allow. So take Prisco as one of us on duvalpride.com... a speculator.

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Come on I'd love Ben Johnson but it's not like he's a sure thing.

He's a brilliant playcaller but that doesn't always make an elite HC

That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

I like Dan personality wise. I'll be interested to see how that team fares once the coordinators take head coaching jobs elsewhere.  I don't think Dan is taking over the reigns for either one as successfully as they are doing right now.  I think he needs good coordinators.

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Come on I'd love Ben Johnson but it's not like he's a sure thing.

He's a brilliant playcaller but that doesn't always make an elite HC

That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

It wasn’t just Campbell.

I was reading a breakdown of how it all went down and it started with the Owner. She took accountability of all it. Got the entire building to be a family. Then they hired Campbell and Holmes together. 

Watching Shad yesterday, he doesn’t think anything is wrong with the culture. Just Pederson.

That’s the most worrisome part.

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I don't think his talent evaluation in the draft has been horrendous.  It's been average to above average in my opinion and my concern is that we've historically been way below average in the years prior to him being here.  So, it could be and has been a lot worse in my opinion.  I do think the trade back and still landing Brian Thomas move probably saved him.  He had a criticized at the time but ultimately well managed free agency period 3 years ago.  Then we did very little in free agency two years ago.  And finally, he had an objectively poorly managed free agency period last offseason.  It's certainly debatable and I wouldn't have been shocked had he been fired, but I can see the other side of it.  And although those free agents that were brought in contributed to our woes this year, there were many other factors including offensive play design at times with receivers way down the field in the same spot, drops on 3rd down at key moments in games, injuries, some questionable if not bad calls by refs in the early part of the season that absolutely contributed to the final score of a few games, scheme change on defense without all the pieces to properly run it, etc.

Also, a new GM is going to want his guys and would be blowing this roster up.  Some might want that, but I think there are enough good young players already on the roster not to have to or want to do that.  We lost something like 10 one score games.  We're not that far away from being back to where we were at 8-3 playing for the 1 seed a little over a year ago in my opinion.  I think that's largely what Khan is thinking as well.

So you’re team “it was all Doug Pedersons fault”.

"average to above average drafting + one good free agent period and one objectively bad free agent period" 

Hardly sounds as black and white as you are trying to make it there. 

Actually sounds like a pretty objective take on Trent's tenure thus far. 

And you aren't asking me - but I think GM, HC, his staff, and the players all have lots of blame to share in the 2023 collapse + 2024 miserable failure.

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If what Pete Priscois reporting is accurate, Baalke is either going to be gone, or his decision making power will be neutered by a HC with ability to overrule him.

It's weird, but it's how they are getting the HC interviews they want, so I get it.

I already knew this, but it should damn sure be evident to EVERYONE after this (all media basically was wrong) to everyone that nobody knows what Shad will do/allow. So take Prisco as one of us on duvalpride.com... a speculator.

He's a speculator with more sources than us, but sure. He speculates plenty.

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I know  Ben Johnson,i watched him lead  the high school i went too,to 2 state titles even back to back as the teams qb. he has a great offesive  mind. also last person on a nfl team from North Carolina lead his team to a Super Bowl win. That was Brad johnson.  

[font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif] Ben Johnson is him,doug was highly overrated he only won a Super Bowl cause that eagles defense was unstopple.   [/font]

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

It wasn’t just Campbell.

I was reading a breakdown of how it all went down and it started with the Owner. She took accountability of all it. Got the entire building to be a family. Then they hired Campbell and Holmes together. 

Watching Shad yesterday, he doesn’t think anything is wrong with the culture. Just Pederson.

That’s the most worrisome part.

Exactly. That's why Detroit works. They identified the culture and style of team they wanted and found guys that worked to that. It's been a multi year project of working together and improving, even through years they struggled as they were working towards something.

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I don't think his talent evaluation in the draft has been horrendous.  It's been average to above average in my opinion and my concern is that we've historically been way below average in the years prior to him being here.  So, it could be and has been a lot worse in my opinion.  I do think the trade back and still landing Brian Thomas move probably saved him.  He had a criticized at the time but ultimately well managed free agency period 3 years ago.  Then we did very little in free agency two years ago.  And finally, he had an objectively poorly managed free agency period last offseason.  It's certainly debatable and I wouldn't have been shocked had he been fired, but I can see the other side of it.  And although those free agents that were brought in contributed to our woes this year, there were many other factors including offensive play design at times with receivers way down the field in the same spot, drops on 3rd down at key moments in games, injuries, some questionable if not bad calls by refs in the early part of the season that absolutely contributed to the final score of a few games, scheme change on defense without all the pieces to properly run it, etc.

Also, a new GM is going to want his guys and would be blowing this roster up.  Some might want that, but I think there are enough good young players already on the roster not to have to or want to do that.  We lost something like 10 one score games.  We're not that far away from being back to where we were at 8-3 playing for the 1 seed a little over a year ago in my opinion.  I think that's largely what Khan is thinking as well.

So you’re team “it was all Doug Pedersons fault”.

No.  I don't want to be rude as I respect your history here, but you can't have fully read and digested my post and still condensed it to that.  I still like Doug even though there are warranted criticisms of how he handled things.  It was a perfect storm of [BLEEP] this past season and someone apparently had to go.  Prior to the news, I said I leaned toward both being retained and a mulligan given for this season though I wouldn't put a ton of confidence behind that statement and wouldn't be shocked either way.  I don't think there is a clear scapegoat for last year.  It was a lot of little [BLEEP] here and there that when added up manifested in the results we ended up getting.

Someone here recently reminded us of Khan's comment regarding "I know who I want to be calling plays" from a year or so ago and then we get the coyness out of Doug this year about who is calling plays knowing full well it was Press.  That kinda jives with how his exit in Philly went.  I don't jump on any speculation as the god's honest truth as many others do, but if you line that comment up with how reality went, it's probable that Pederson was so loyal and committed to his guy that he would defy an owner's desires and then we got the season we got for the multiple reasons I listed above and many more I didn't and he became the fall guy that he was apparently prepared to be given how that scenario played out. Is that any clearer?

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So you’re team “it was all Doug Pedersons fault”.

No.  I don't want to be rude as I respect your history here, but you can't have fully read and digested my post and still condensed it to that.  I still like Doug even though there are warranted criticisms of how he handled things.  It was a perfect storm of [BLEEP] this past season and someone apparently had to go.  Prior to the news, I said I leaned toward both being retained and a mulligan given for this season though I wouldn't put a ton of confidence behind that statement and wouldn't be shocked either way.  I don't think there is a clear scapegoat for last year.  It was a lot of little [BLEEP] here and there that when added up manifested in the results we ended up getting.

Someone here recently reminded us of Khan's comment regarding "I know who I want to be calling plays" from a year or so ago and then we get the coyness out of Doug this year about who is calling plays knowing full well it was Press.  That kinda jives with how his exit in Philly went.  I don't jump on any speculation as the god's honest truth as many others do, but if you line that comment up with how reality went, it's probable that Pederson was so loyal and committed to his guy that he would defy an owner's desires and then we got the season we got for the multiple reasons I listed above and many more I didn't and he became the fall guy that he was apparently prepared to be given how that scenario played out. Is that any clearer?

Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

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I know  Ben Johnson,i watched him lead  the high school i went too,to 2 state titles even back to back as the teams qb. he has a great offesive  mind. also last person on a nfl team from North Carolina lead his team to a Super Bowl win. That was Brad johnson.  

[font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif] Ben Johnson is him,doug was highly overrated he only won a Super Bowl cause that eagles defense was unstopple.   [/font]

You do know they let up 33 points in the Super Bowl?  Hardly unstopple.

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No.  I don't want to be rude as I respect your history here, but you can't have fully read and digested my post and still condensed it to that.  I still like Doug even though there are warranted criticisms of how he handled things.  It was a perfect storm of [BLEEP] this past season and someone apparently had to go.  Prior to the news, I said I leaned toward both being retained and a mulligan given for this season though I wouldn't put a ton of confidence behind that statement and wouldn't be shocked either way.  I don't think there is a clear scapegoat for last year.  It was a lot of little [BLEEP] here and there that when added up manifested in the results we ended up getting.

Someone here recently reminded us of Khan's comment regarding "I know who I want to be calling plays" from a year or so ago and then we get the coyness out of Doug this year about who is calling plays knowing full well it was Press.  That kinda jives with how his exit in Philly went.  I don't jump on any speculation as the god's honest truth as many others do, but if you line that comment up with how reality went, it's probable that Pederson was so loyal and committed to his guy that he would defy an owner's desires and then we got the season we got for the multiple reasons I listed above and many more I didn't and he became the fall guy that he was apparently prepared to be given how that scenario played out. Is that any clearer?

Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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No.  I don't want to be rude as I respect your history here, but you can't have fully read and digested my post and still condensed it to that.  I still like Doug even though there are warranted criticisms of how he handled things.  It was a perfect storm of [BLEEP] this past season and someone apparently had to go.  Prior to the news, I said I leaned toward both being retained and a mulligan given for this season though I wouldn't put a ton of confidence behind that statement and wouldn't be shocked either way.  I don't think there is a clear scapegoat for last year.  It was a lot of little [BLEEP] here and there that when added up manifested in the results we ended up getting.

Someone here recently reminded us of Khan's comment regarding "I know who I want to be calling plays" from a year or so ago and then we get the coyness out of Doug this year about who is calling plays knowing full well it was Press.  That kinda jives with how his exit in Philly went.  I don't jump on any speculation as the god's honest truth as many others do, but if you line that comment up with how reality went, it's probable that Pederson was so loyal and committed to his guy that he would defy an owner's desires and then we got the season we got for the multiple reasons I listed above and many more I didn't and he became the fall guy that he was apparently prepared to be given how that scenario played out. Is that any clearer?

Somewhat. It still seems like you believe the roster underperformed. Is that correct?

For me, I think it’s a culture problem and Baalke has been a snake everywhere he went. The same problems that he had in SF are happening here in Jacksonville. Pederson will be his Harbaugh here. Then it’ll be a mess this season most likely because Baalke is still here. Whispering in Shads ear that the coach (who he hired) is the problem once again. Baalke is the one who probably said “Shad. Doug should be calling plays”. Baalke is in his ear telling Shad every single issue and excluding his role in it.

They both should have been fired. End of story. There’s no “well Baalke did good on this one move” or “Pederson did his best with what he had”. 

They are all to blame and should have been shown the door.

The problem with that analysis is that you've simply painted Trent into some evil character without actually providing any substantive proof that any of what you suggest is actually happening. 

Why not just objectively point out his actual mistakes? 

The objective point of view sees around 5 gaping holes in the roster, underperformance from the players, poor gameplans from the offensive staff, a complete and utter cluster [BLEEP] from the defense from the coordinator all the way down to the back-up safety (and free agents acquired to fit the scheme!), lack of player development, inability to get rookie players online quickly, and general inconsistency everywhere on the filed in a league that requires an elite level of consistency to succeed. 

How do you pin that on one guy??

You can't. 

Probably part of the reason Khan is still leaving the door open to make changes in the front office.

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That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

I like Dan personality wise. I'll be interested to see how that team fares once the coordinators take head coaching jobs elsewhere.  I don't think Dan is taking over the reigns for either one as successfully as they are doing right now.  I think he needs good coordinators.

I agree, however the Lions could open the bank to keep them you know...

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That's what I am saying. People LOVED McDaniels last year, this year everyone this he is trash. 

Truthfully the Lions situation feels so right. You get a guy like Campbell who is a true leader of that locker room, with a brilliant OC/DC. They just did everything right. There is no guarantee an OC will be a good HC. Just none at all.

It wasn’t just Campbell.

I was reading a breakdown of how it all went down and it started with the Owner. She took accountability of all it. Got the entire building to be a family. Then they hired Campbell and Holmes together. 

Watching Shad yesterday, he doesn’t think anything is wrong with the culture. Just Pederson.

That’s the most worrisome part.

I agree, starts at the top

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So you’re team “it was all Doug Pedersons fault”.

"average to above average drafting + one good free agent period and one objectively bad free agent period" 

Hardly sounds as black and white as you are trying to make it there. 

Actually sounds like a pretty objective take on Trent's tenure thus far. 

And you aren't asking me - but I think GM, HC, his staff, and the players all have lots of blame to share in the 2023 collapse + 2024 miserable failure.

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I already knew this, but it should damn sure be evident to EVERYONE after this (all media basically was wrong) to everyone that nobody knows what Shad will do/allow. So take Prisco as one of us on duvalpride.com... a speculator.

He's a speculator with more sources than us, but sure. He speculates plenty.

Absolutely, but after 13 years of Khan it's very obvious his circle is very tight and small, and he said so himself that he mainly just speaks with Trent and Ethan. These reporters have been just throwing [BLEEP] and seeing if it sticks to the wall.

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