A few things here:

1. I thought of you when I posted that and expected a response because I recall that convo

2. Trevor's tape has plenty of great examples of him scanning the entire field, looking off safeties and alerting receivers to hot routes etc. - Even if he was also showing the bad habits I described at other times.

  -- My point  (that you are mostly missing whilst focused on trying to take a false victory lap) is that this stuff changed for the worse after the 2022 season when the Jags offensive braintrust decided to alter course with how they tasked him to read the field. Instead of trying to develop the good stuff he was putting on tape, they focused on mitigating the mistakes. 
 
I think that's where Pederson screwed up. 

Mitigating mistakes is how you handle a QB like Blake Bortles, Case Keenum or David Mills.
Developing talent is how you handle a QB like CJ Stroud or Trevor Lawrence. 

And yes, I have watched more tape since that post - and I do think Trevor shows these bad habits more frequently than I thought he did a year ago. 
But having watched the all22 route running from 2023 and 2024 - it's pretty clear to me that the staff handcuffed him instead of growing him.

"1. I thought of you when I posted that and expected a response because I recall that convo because you gave me this idea" FIFY  

Another possibility is that Doug made that simplification during the 2022 bye week.  Turning a 3-7 team into a team that went 6-1.  This fits in my original theory that "If Pederson has to continually simplify the offense to fit Trevor Lawrence's skill set (or lack there of) he may get some increases in production, but for a short time."

Like I said, we won't know until we see Trevor under another offensive coaching staff.

You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. 

I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have. 

And "the idea" of researching his progression habits was given to me by a tweet that surfaced about 5 weeks into the 2024 season by an analytics guy.

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"1. I thought of you when I posted that and expected a response because I recall that convo because you gave me this idea" FIFY  

Another possibility is that Doug made that simplification during the 2022 bye week.  Turning a 3-7 team into a team that went 6-1.  This fits in my original theory that "If Pederson has to continually simplify the offense to fit Trevor Lawrence's skill set (or lack there of) he may get some increases in production, but for a short time."

Like I said, we won't know until we see Trevor under another offensive coaching staff.

You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. 

I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have. 

And "the idea" of researching his progression habits was given to me by a tweet that surfaced about 5 weeks into the 2024 season by an analytics guy.

Interesting... So you didn't research his progression habits until a month into Trevor's 4th year? Yet at the beginning of the year you demonstratively said that it was only the case 10% of the time.

Where as I, who called out the issue in March of 2022 and have repeatedly expressed that sentiment in the TLaw thread, didn't post my findings on the legendary analytical site...twitter, thereby debunking all of my (accurate) predictions.

And I said "we won't know," not "we won't feel like we know."  Just like you clearly felt like it was only 10% of the time.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

No more hiring a head guy that has a statue of himself in front of another team's stadium. You're just never going to live up to that anywhere else and I think the most likely explanation of his success in Philly was he and Foles catching lightning in a bottle.

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Pederson is gone.  I don’t care about him anymore.

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No more hiring a head guy that has a statue of himself in front of another team's stadium. You're just never going to live up to that anywhere else and I think the most likely explanation of his success in Philly was he and Foles catching lightning in a bottle.

He did seem like he was in CEO mode. Show up late, leave early, let the assistant coaches put in the work and him just manage them. There wasn't much fight shown by him, similar to the other player FA signings who took a paid vacation.
CEO mode only works if you have good assistant coaches. Having Press call the plays was a disaster. His offense was also a disaster because he didn't adapt it after the 1st season, so it was predictable and if fans know what is happening, you can be sure the other NFL teams did.

It's like what BB is doing at UNC. He is getting his son a job. Pederson was giving his make believe son, love child, whatever Press is a job. It failed and with the other Taylor gone, Press may not even have a spot to land anywhere even as a waterboy.

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No more hiring a head guy that has a statue of himself in front of another team's stadium.  You're just never going to live up to that anywhere else and I think the most likely explanation of his success in Philly was he and Foles catching lightning in a bottle.

He did seem like he was in CEO mode. Show up late, leave early, let the assistant  coaches put in the work and him just manage them. There wasn't much fight shown by him, similar to the other player FA signings who took a paid vacation.
CEO mode only works if you have good assistant coaches. Having Press call the plays was a disaster. His offense was also a disaster because he didn't adapt it after the 1st season, so it was predictable and if fans know what is happening, you can be sure the other NFL teams did.

It's like what BB is doing at UNC. He is getting his son a job. Pederson was giving his make believe son, love child, whatever Press is a job. It failed and with the other Taylor gone, Press may not even have a spot to land anywhere even as a waterboy.

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Dear Penthouse,

I never thought it would happen but...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Pederson's gone.  Who cares.

Ooh, that's a bingo.

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Because he wasn’t the offensive coordinator.

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You mean you won't know. I feel I know right now. 

I'm confident in my opinion because I've analyzed the tape more than you have. 

And "the idea" of researching his progression habits was given to me by a tweet that surfaced about 5 weeks into the 2024 season by an analytics guy.

Interesting... So you didn't research his progression habits until a month into Trevor's 4th year? Yet at the beginning of the year you demonstratively said that it was only the case 10% of the time.

Where as I, who called out the issue in March of 2022 and have repeatedly expressed that sentiment in the TLaw thread, didn't post my findings on the legendary analytical site...twitter, thereby debunking all of my (accurate) predictions.

And I said "we won't know," not "we won't feel like we know."  Just like you clearly felt like it was only 10% of the time.

No

I've analyzed each season as they happen and did the deep dive on play design this year.

Jesus, you love to try to spin my words - and you do it poorly

10% percent was clearly an estimation made for argument's sake and that was spoon fed to you with the word MAYBE directly preceding it. I didn't catalog the exact rate at which he exhibited bad habits. I have two jobs and a life. 

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation. 
Which is what you are bragging about doing with your weak [BLEEP] attempt at a victory lap here. 

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now. 

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here. Kudos for identifying something that he needs to work on I guess.  You and about 400,000 other fans and analysts. But offering that up after 2021 just shows your lack of grasp on the reality of his development. 

Trevor had/has some bad habits, they were not all consuming as he clearly demonstrated the ability to process plays and execute well without displaying the bad habits as well. Instead of developing that positive ability - the Pederson regime decided to mitigate mistakes in their playbook alterations and it bit them in the backside. 

If you need me to say 10% wasn't an accurate number so you can feel good, then I undershot the figure. Hope that helps.

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Wouldn't have mattered. The offense was predictable because the offensive line was predictable. If you can't run the football you can't sell anything downfield.

We could have tried more bubble screens or something but it would have been like cutting tough meat with a plastic butter knife at some point and teams would have schemed against it as well.

I think what they failed in was having adequate freedom and functionality for Lawrence and I think they may have been scared at times to get him moving around and outside of the pocket to fit most modern offenses to avoid injuries (him getting decapitated at home probably proves this point). 

They decided they wanted him to be more under center in 2024 and that's fine, until your running game is abysmal and proves it pointless. Which is exactly what happened.

I agree with all of this. 

Being more creative with the playcalling could have helped a bit, but that would have been exposed too at some point. And the run blocking killed so many opportunities and allowed defenses to focus elsewhere. 

Piggybacking on what you said about having freedom and function for Lawrence, I'd add that Pederson (after the 2022 season) announced he'd be taking input from TL and reworking the playbook to suit his strengths. 

I am firmly of the opinion that this is when began turning south. 

Not because of Lawrence's input, but because Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field. He didn't do this all the time, but he did it too often IMO. 

They collectively rearranged the playbook to try and give Lawrence more reads to one side, inserted more one read plays, and essentially took away a ton of options from the kid trying to suit his bad habit instead of DEVELOPING his ability to go through his progression in 2.3 seconds. 
It was a major mistake. 
This is where all of those "why are there two receivers in the same place" play came from. This is when we saw the emergence of the plethora of low percentage throws being forced. 

I realize there is some speculation in my opinion here, but there is also a lot of analysis, I assure you. 
 And that is what I believe happened.

To the bolded…that habit may have been a necessary evil by Trevor being shell shocked from constant  pocket collapses. Aka, I would focus on fast reads too if I only had two seconds to throw or bail

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Interesting... So you didn't research his progression habits until a month into Trevor's 4th year? Yet at the beginning of the year you demonstratively said that it was only the case 10% of the time.

Where as I, who called out the issue in March of 2022 and have repeatedly expressed that sentiment in the TLaw thread, didn't post my findings on the legendary analytical site...twitter, thereby debunking all of my (accurate) predictions.

And I said "we won't know," not "we won't feel like we know."  Just like you clearly felt like it was only 10% of the time.

No

I've analyzed each season as they happen and did the deep dive on play design this year.

Jesus, you love to try to spin my words - and you do it poorly

10% percent was clearly an estimation made for argument's sake and that was spoon fed to you with the word MAYBE directly preceding it. I didn't catalog the exact rate at which he exhibited bad habits. I have two jobs and a life. 

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation. 
Which is what you are bragging about doing with your weak [BLEEP] attempt at a victory lap here. 

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now. 

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here. Kudos for identifying something that he needs to work on I guess.  You and about 400,000 other fans and analysts. But offering that up after 2021 just shows your lack of grasp on the reality of his development. 

Trevor had/has some bad habits, they were not all consuming as he clearly demonstrated the ability to process plays and execute well without displaying the bad habits as well. Instead of developing that positive ability - the Pederson regime decided to mitigate mistakes in their playbook alterations and it bit them in the backside. 

If you need me to say 10% wasn't an accurate number so you can feel good, then I undershot the figure. Hope that helps.

Hey, I finally got the desperate, 'You're a troll,' out of you.  Allow me to retort.

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now.

Despite the fact that I was correct, and now you AGREE with me.

[From Jan 2024]

Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here.

But your eyeballs and metric ton of football "undershot the figure" for 3 years until, as you said, you did a deep dive in Trevor's 4th year.  And as it turns out, "your take" is nearly the exact same as my take was in 2022. (And I have consistently expressed "that take" since then, and guess what?  It is still an issue, as you said "Trevor had/has some bad habits".)

[From March 2022:]

Hopefully Pederson can iron that out, and I think he has to [*in order to] be a success with the Jaguars.  My concern with Pederson is that he has to turn Lawrence into a Nick Foles type of QB.  A guy that can run his offense, but becomes very readable after a season or a few games for the NFL defenses.

How is this not precisely what happened, and is what you JUST described in your original post.

Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field. He didn't do this all the time, but he did it too often IMO.

They collectively rearranged the playbook to try and give Lawrence more reads to one side, inserted more one read plays, and essentially took away a ton of options from the kid trying to suit his bad habit instead of DEVELOPING his ability to go through his progression in 2.3 seconds.
It was a major mistake.

The only place we disagree is that you feel like it was all on Pederson, where I still think the fault is an unknown until we see the next offensive coach try and teach Trevor Lawrence.

Now I understand that you're a person who needs to have the last word, and somehow you decide to 'put me in my place,' call me a troll, and accuse me of 'blathering' (despite the accuracy of my post), after you--for the most part--agree with me, so have at it.  Call me a douche-nozzle, as you're apt to do, insinuate that you're "mountain of knowledge" should never be questioned, and see if I've made a grammatical error to get you started on your Holier-Than-Thou response.

Cheers.

*Edited OP for clarity

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

I agree with all of this. 

Being more creative with the playcalling could have helped a bit, but that would have been exposed too at some point. And the run blocking killed so many opportunities and allowed defenses to focus elsewhere. 

Piggybacking on what you said about having freedom and function for Lawrence, I'd add that Pederson (after the 2022 season) announced he'd be taking input from TL and reworking the playbook to suit his strengths. 

I am firmly of the opinion that this is when began turning south. 

Not because of Lawrence's input, but because Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field. He didn't do this all the time, but he did it too often IMO. 

They collectively rearranged the playbook to try and give Lawrence more reads to one side, inserted more one read plays, and essentially took away a ton of options from the kid trying to suit his bad habit instead of DEVELOPING his ability to go through his progression in 2.3 seconds. 
It was a major mistake. 
This is where all of those "why are there two receivers in the same place" play came from. This is when we saw the emergence of the plethora of low percentage throws being forced. 

I realize there is some speculation in my opinion here, but there is also a lot of analysis, I assure you. 
 And that is what I believe happened.

To the bolded…that habit may have been a necessary evil by Trevor being shell shocked from constant  pocket collapses

We could make a hefty list of grievances that have contributed to a potentially stunted development process for the young QB, and these bad habits could certainly have been influenced by the consistent lack of pocket he has endured. 

Ironically - the tail end of this season provided the best amount of pocket protection from the Jags OL since Trevor arrived, and he wasn't there to enjoy it. #becuzjags

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To the bolded…that habit may have been a necessary evil by Trevor being shell shocked from constant  pocket collapses

We could make a hefty list of grievances that have contributed to a potentially stunted development process for the young QB, and these bad habits could certainly have been influenced by the consistent lack of pocket he has endured. 

Ironically - the tail end of this season provided the best amount of pocket protection from the Jags OL since Trevor arrived, and he wasn't there to enjoy it. #becuzjags

I don't know. Maybe. Mac "Daddy" Jones had some nice moments moving in, out, within and around the pocket at times. He clearly paid attention during dodgeball lessons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQqkQKde_kU

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I do think so that a certain poster here shouldn’t throw QB slump stones in his own QB slump glass house

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No

I've analyzed each season as they happen and did the deep dive on play design this year.

Jesus, you love to try to spin my words - and you do it poorly

10% percent was clearly an estimation made for argument's sake and that was spoon fed to you with the word MAYBE directly preceding it. I didn't catalog the exact rate at which he exhibited bad habits. I have two jobs and a life. 

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation. 
Which is what you are bragging about doing with your weak [BLEEP] attempt at a victory lap here. 

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now. 

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here. Kudos for identifying something that he needs to work on I guess.  You and about 400,000 other fans and analysts. But offering that up after 2021 just shows your lack of grasp on the reality of his development. 

Trevor had/has some bad habits, they were not all consuming as he clearly demonstrated the ability to process plays and execute well without displaying the bad habits as well. Instead of developing that positive ability - the Pederson regime decided to mitigate mistakes in their playbook alterations and it bit them in the backside. 

If you need me to say 10% wasn't an accurate number so you can feel good, then I undershot the figure. Hope that helps.

Hey, I finally got the desperate, 'You're a troll,' out of you.  Allow me to retort.
If the shoe fits -  no one makes you come here and step all over your genitals jumping at the chance to disparage the QB - you do that on your own - my responses should be expected - sack up 

Some tinhorn troll blathering on about their rival's QB isn't typically something worthy of an ounce of credence around here. And any jack [BLEEP] blathering about Trevor directly following the Urban Meyer debacle of a season gets not only zero credence, but ire, ill will and earns themselves a deservedly bad reputation.

Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.
You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season

So, I didn't really give a damn about your poorly formed opinion then, and I don't now.

Despite the fact that I was correct, and now you AGREE with me.
More spin cycle horse [BLEEP] - nice try - but weak

[From Jan 2024]

Give the kid another 1/4 second to process reads behind a line he can actually trust so he doesn't speed up the internal clock - and this conversation goes away completely.

From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat. 
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more. 
It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head. 
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time 

What I do trust is my eyeballs. I've watched more tape on the guy than you have. I've probably digested a metric ton more football than you have, and I trust my take here.

But your eyeballs and metric ton of football "undershot the figure" for 3 years until, as you said, you did a deep dive in Trevor's 4th year.  And as it turns out, "your take" is nearly the exact same as my take was in 2022. (And I have consistently expressed "that take" since then, and guess what?  It is still an issue, as you said "Trevor had/has some bad habits".)

You're ignoring the point again. 
If the scheme is altered to mitigate mistakes instead of rid bad habits  - and ends up forcing the player into more difficult downfield throws "the figure" is no longer the bar. There's no comparing the seasons from that perspective. 

I undershot the figure in a single post and later did some homework on it. My take isn't the same as yours. 
You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses. 
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things. You look desperate. 

[From March 2022:]

Hopefully Pederson can iron that out, and I think he has to [*in order to] be a success with the Jaguars.  My concern with Pederson is that he has to turn Lawrence into a Nick Foles type of QB.  A guy that can run his offense, but becomes very readable after a season or a few games for the NFL defenses.

How is this not precisely what happened, and is what you JUST described in your original post.
You posted an incomplete thought and asked me to tell you if it's exactly what happened? 
WTH?? 
What happened is that Pederson took away a ton of reads from the QB that couldspread the ball horizontally and called exponentially more PA downfield shots with one deep target, one intermediate target and a meaningless check down ruled irrelevant by the time required to read the downfield option. 
I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense. 

Pederson identified that Lawrence had a bad habit of staring down one guy sometimes, and maybe only making two reads at other times, or making multiple reads to only one side of the field. He didn't do this all the time, but he did it too often IMO.

They collectively rearranged the playbook to try and give Lawrence more reads to one side, inserted more one read plays, and essentially took away a ton of options from the kid trying to suit his bad habit instead of DEVELOPING his ability to go through his progression in 2.3 seconds.
It was a major mistake.

The only place we disagree is that you feel like it was all on Pederson, where I still think the fault is an unknown until we see the next offensive coach try and teach Trevor Lawrence.

I never said it was all on Pederson. Not once. never even remotely implied it - in fact - calling out some bad habits of the QB are what initiated your weak attempt at a 'gotcha' moment

Now I understand that you're a person who needs to have the last word, and somehow you decide to 'put me in my place,' call me a troll, and accuse me of 'blathering' (despite the accuracy of my post), after you--for the most part--agree with me, so have at it.  Call me a douche-nozzle, as you're apt to do, insinuate that you're "mountain of knowledge" should never be questioned, and see if I've made a grammatical error to get you started on your Holier-Than-Thou response.

Cheers.

*Edited OP for clarity

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Your hubris never disappoints.

My hubris is on par with the frailty of your trolling

I'm good with that

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Hey, I finally got the desperate, 'You're a troll,' out of you.  Allow me to retort.
If the shoe fits -  no one makes you come here and step all over your genitals jumping at the chance to disparage the QB - you do that on your own - my responses should be expected - sack up 


Despite the fact that I was, as you admitted in your first post, correct.
You weren't - you were grossly premature with your take at that point and apparently still ignorant of how stupid it was to draw conclusions from the 2021 season



Despite the fact that I was correct, and now you AGREE with me.
More spin cycle horse [BLEEP] - nice try - but weak


From PFF: Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars, had an average time to throw of 2.63 seconds. This ranked him fourth among the top 10 NFL quarterbacks by time to throw. He DID have more time this year, and the issue did NOT go away, and clearly the conversation did not go away...

Bad stat. 
Lawrence's "time to throw"  was 2.4 seconds per pass drop in 2024
- 2023 was 2.2  - so he got .2 seconds more. 
It might have helped if it weren't for all the other points being made that are flying over your thick head. 
Go ahead and look up the number of PA downfield attempts in 24 vs 23 and let me know if you can wrap your head around how that affected the difference in release time 



But your eyeballs and metric ton of football "undershot the figure" for 3 years until, as you said, you did a deep dive in Trevor's 4th year.  And as it turns out, "your take" is nearly the exact same as my take was in 2022. (And I have consistently expressed "that take" since then, and guess what?  It is still an issue, as you said "Trevor had/has some bad habits".)

You're ignoring the point again. 
If the scheme is altered to mitigate mistakes instead of rid bad habits  - and ends up forcing the player into more difficult downfield throws "the figure" is no longer the bar. There's no comparing the seasons from that perspective. 

I undershot the figure in a single post and later did some homework on it. My take isn't the same as yours. 
You blathered on about some overarching inability to read the field and being obvious to opposing defenses. 
I said he has some bad habits of not reading every route at times while going through his progression aptly at other times. Stop trying to equate those things. You look desperate. 



How is this not precisely what happened, and is what you JUST described in your original post.
You posted an incomplete thought and asked me to tell you if it's exactly what happened? 
WTH?? 
What happened is that Pederson took away a ton of reads from the QB that couldspread the ball horizontally and called exponentially more PA downfield shots with one deep target, one intermediate target and a meaningless check down ruled irrelevant by the time required to read the downfield option. 
I can't believe I'm explaining this to someone that has such an in-depth understanding of Lawrence and Pederson's offense. 


The only place we disagree is that you feel like it was all on Pederson, where I still think the fault is an unknown until we see the next offensive coach try and teach Trevor Lawrence.

I never said it was all on Pederson. Not once. never even remotely implied it - in fact - calling out some bad habits of the QB are what initiated your weak attempt at a 'gotcha' moment

Now I understand that you're a person who needs to have the last word, and somehow you decide to 'put me in my place,' call me a troll, and accuse me of 'blathering' (despite the accuracy of my post), after you--for the most part--agree with me, so have at it.  Call me a douche-nozzle, as you're apt to do, insinuate that you're "mountain of knowledge" should never be questioned, and see if I've made a grammatical error to get you started on your Holier-Than-Thou response.

Cheers.

*Edited OP for clarity

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#79's attempt at a block is so funny.

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#79's attempt at a block is so funny.

It was by design. He's supposed to let the defender bend him backwards so the secondary gets excited and drops coverage thinking Lawrence will be sacked there which gives him enough time to improvise and find the receiver in the back of the endzone.

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#79's attempt at a block is so funny.

Man. I forgot how bad Fortner actually was.

Yeesh.

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