Our message board experts expected Gabbert to either play out his contract or be released. No on here thought the Jaguars could get anything for him.

 

Of course that's really rather immaterial, you're the one that's been constructing a straw man argument against me, as I never said a team would give a good haul of picks for Shorts
. I said that if a team would give up a certain level of value I could see the point in trading him.

 

Pittsburgh is part of the NFL, the Jaguars are part of the NFL. Success in the NFL isn't dependent on keeping around middle of the road talents at all costs.

 

Like I said, if a team were willing to give up a good haul of picks for Shorts
I have to believe Caldwell would be willing to listen.

edit: beat me to it jagsibelieve

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Seems we have some users here that could use some remedial reading lessons.

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Seems we have some users here that could use some remedial reading lessons.

 

So since you never said anything about a team "giving up a good haul of picks", you never answered my question.  What exactly is the "certain level of value" for a player that has "middle of the road talent" that you speak of?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So since you never said anything about a team "giving up a good haul of picks", you never answered my question.  What exactly is the "certain level of value" for a player that has "middle of the road talent" that you speak of?

 

Like I said, read the thread.

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Seems we have some users here that could use some remedial reading lessons.

or your just really good at deflecting peoples arguments when they you dont share the same opinion... sure, i didnt focus on the part about u thinking we settle for "middle of the road" talent because i thought it was worthless and there is nothing to be said about it, its your opinion, i think your wrong so that conversation is pointless... i commented on the idea that someone would offer something worth a crap because thats the only part of you post that wasn't an opinionated statement. 

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Like I said, read the thread.

 

So I suppose you just don't want to answer the question.  I'll use a quote from you from another thread.  "I don't have time to read it".

 

If you feel so strongly about something, why not just answer the simple question?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Our message board experts expected Gabbert to either play out his contract or be released. No on here thought the Jaguars could get anything for him.

 

Of course that's really rather immaterial, you're the one that's been constructing a straw man argument against me, as I never said a team would give a good haul of picks for Shorts. I said that if a team would give up a certain level of value I could see the point in trading him.

 

Really? 

 

Pittsburgh is part of the NFL, the Jaguars are part of the NFL. Success in the NFL isn't dependent on keeping around middle of the road talents at all costs.

 

Like I said, if a team were willing to give up a good haul of picks for Shorts I have to believe Caldwell would be willing to listen.

 

Clearly, my reading comprehension skills are not as wicked good as yours.  It's obvious you said exactly as you claimed, if a team would give up a certain level of value I could see the point in trading him.

 

You definitely didn't suggest some team would give up a good haul of picks, implying multiple picks.  You never said that.  You definitely said good value.  Yup. 

 

Here's a tip for you.  You might want to try editing your posts before trying to lie your way out of a claim once you've been called out on it.  Only idiots would leave the original post in place before denying they ever said it. 

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Like I said, read the thread.

 

What's it like to have jello for a spine?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

or your just really good at deflecting peoples arguments when they you dont share the same opinion... sure, i didnt focus on the part about u thinking we settle for "middle of the road" talent because i thought it was worthless and there is nothing to be said about it, its your opinion, i think your wrong so that conversation is pointless... i commented on the idea that someone would offer something worth a crap because thats the only part of you post that wasn't an opinionated statement. 

 

Your reading comprehension is just fine.  You're dealing with some tween wannabe who is trying to show the board how mature he is.  He'll be back in a few minutes to respond to you.  His mommy is giving him a bath.

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Really? 

 

 

Clearly, my reading comprehension skills are not as wicked good as yours.  It's obvious you said exactly as you claimed, if a team would give up a certain level of value I could see the point in trading him.

 

You definitely didn't suggest some team would give up a good haul of picks, implying multiple picks.  You never said that.  You definitely said good value.  Yup. 

 

Here's a tip for you.  You might want to try editing your posts before trying to lie your way out of a claim once you've been called out on it.  Only idiots would leave the original post in place before denying they ever said it. 

you've been arguing with the guy too much FBT... your turning him into a little monster lol.... i think TMD vs.FBT fued has begin to die down and now the everlasting battle of Oklahomie vs FBT is becoming the new MB rivalry.... keep up the good fight lol.

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you've been arguing with the guy too much FBT... your turning him into a little monster lol.... i think TMD vs.FBT fued has begin to die down and now the everlasting battle of Oklahomie vs FBT is becoming the new MB rivalry.... keep up the good fight lol.

 

There's no rivalry here. I've scraped more worthy foes off my shoes in my back yard.  The dog turds are a tad smarter.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

There's no rivalry here. I've scraped more worthy foes off my shoes in my back yard.  The dog turds are a tad smarter.

 

LOL, my dog is actually smart enough to answer my question when I say "who did this!?"  She will run away and hang her head in shame.

 

OakiedoakiHomie can't even answer a simple little question that I asked.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

LOL, my dog is actually smart enough to answer my question when I say "who did this!?"  She will run away and hang her head in shame.

 

OakiedoakiHomie can't even answer a simple little question that I asked.

 

Well, if you read back through the entire thread, you will discover that he has defined value as a good number of picks.  So, he has definitely answered your question...sort of...okay, maybe not. 

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As has already been established, it's pretty clear abc didn't actually do any research before taking his shot. 

Established by who?  The self-appointed Grand Poobah?

 

I said I thought he would get paid some where between what McCluster and Edelman got.  How is that so wrong?  Let's wait and see what he gets before you do a happy dance thinking you knew so much. 

 

I also said something in that range might allow us the opportunity to trade him later, because his contract would not be so unappealing to other teams.

 

Go back and show me where I have ever said he does not play at all for the Jags this year and would be gone before the season started or before he signed a new contract.

 

And once again, why are you still posting in this thread that you wanted to die and called so idiotic?  Just can't resist, as usual.

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Established by who?  The self-appointed Grand Poobah?

 

I said I thought he would get paid some where between what McCluster and Edelman got.  How is that so wrong?  Let's wait and see what he gets before you do a happy dance thinking you knew so much. 

 

I also said something in that range might allow us the opportunity to trade him later, because his contract would not be so unappealing to other teams.

 

Go back and show me where I have ever said he does not play at all for the Jags this year and would be gone before the season started or before he signed a new contract.

The fact that you posted players with less production than Shorts but with contract values that were within the range that most people have suggested Shorts falls within shows you didn't bother looking up either production or contract information.  It's not too difficult to see.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to challenge me to in that last sentence.  In reading the post you quoted me from, it's pretty clear your reading comprehension skills skew toward imagined content.  Not good.  Not only do you not bother to research stuff, but you also just make it up as you go.

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This is where I believe the topic idea has spiraled.


I haven't read this whole thread, so I'm not sure if people have advocated this. But, trading Shorts for a "mid to late round pick," or "4th rd pick" is pretty silly. It would definitely be better to extend/keep him.


Now, if there's a team that offered much better value, then it should be considered.

For instance:

1. an earlier round pick (2-3)

2. an okay player (any position) + mid round pick

3. A stud player (Mack,,etc) for giving up Shorts + a mid-late pick


Not likely to be offered, but something along those lines is better.


There's no sense in trading Shorts for just a mid-late pick, IMO.

I don't know where FBT is coming up with a 4th rounder.  It clearly says 3rd rounder in my OP.  At one point I said MAYBE a 4th AND a 6th, if not a 3rd.

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The fact that you posted players with less production than Shorts but with contract values that were within the range that most people have suggested Shorts falls within shows you didn't bother looking up either production or contract information.  It's not too difficult to see.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to challenge me to in that last sentence.  In reading the post you quoted me from, it's pretty clear your reading comprehension skills skew toward imagined content.  Not good.  Not only do you not bother to research stuff, but you also just make it up as you go.

Me?  I make up stuff?  Why are you spouting off about trading him for a 4th rounder when I said 3rd in the original post?

 

And why are you still responding to the thread you want to die?  (Not answering, no surprise there).

 

As far as the contract values vs the production of the player, it doesn't really matter.  Everybody knows all kind of factors go into contracts, depending on the team, player, needs, etc.  This is not a "pay for performance" league, if you have not figured it out.

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What I find interesting is that you could have just let this idiocy slide off the first page so people weren't scoffing at you, but you felt compelled to bump it for no other reason than to make sure everyone gets the point that you want to trade the only veteran receiver on the roster.  The same receiver the team has made a priority to re-sign this off season, a year ahead of the end of his contract. 

 

Some people just need to relish in their ignorance.  Knock yourself out.

Let's all go back and see who has posted the most in this thread besides me.  The guy who wanted it to slide off the first page.  LOL

 

Carry on.  

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Me?  I make up stuff?  Why are you spouting off about trading him for a 4th rounder when I said 3rd in the original post?

 

And why are you still responding to the thread you want to die?  (Not answering, no surprise there).

 

As far as the contract values vs the production of the player, it doesn't really matter.  Everybody knows all kind of factors go into contracts, depending on the team, player, needs, etc.  This is not a "pay for performance" league, if you have not figured it out.

 

Contract value vs. production matters a whole bunch.

 

Let me see if I can get this straight.  A player is drafted in the 4th round, proves to be pretty good, and rather than offer him a contract following a rookie contract, you say trade him for a 3rd round pick?  Exactly what team would offer a 3rd round pick to a veteran drafted in the 4th round of his draft class?  Especially for a player that you call "injury prone"?  That team would also have to negotiate his new veteran salary.  Exactly which team would spend a 3rd round pick and offer him a veteran salary?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Me?  I make up stuff?  Why are you spouting off about trading him for a 4th rounder when I said 3rd in the original post?

 

And why are you still responding to the thread you want to die?  (Not answering, no surprise there).

 

As far as the contract values vs the production of the player, it doesn't really matter.  Everybody knows all kind of factors go into contracts, depending on the team, player, needs, etc.  This is not a "pay for performance" league, if you have not figured it out.

 

You really need to read the last sentence in the post where I indicated you were manufacturing your own reality:

 

Go back and show me where I have ever said he does not play at all for the Jags this year and would be gone before the season started or before he signed a new contract.

 

Show me where I said that in the post you quoted. 

 

I don't know where FBT is coming up with a 4th rounder.  It clearly says 3rd rounder in my OP.  At one point I said MAYBE a 4th AND a 6th, if not a 3rd.

 

Again, you really don't understand how to use the quote feature.  The post you quoted in this response?  Yeah, that wasn't your post.  I'm not sure where you decided to pluck the 4th round selection thing from, but that's what I think he'd get in trade.  I think your nonsensical notion we'd get 2 picks for him is, well, nonsense.

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