Simply not true.


The CDC also released a report that shows that teens (you know, the ones that have been spoiled by the lack of "whippings") are less likely to get pregnant, more likely to practice safe sex, less likely to use "illicit substances" and more likely to exercise than previous generations. Now correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, but we're doing something right. The OJJDP also shows that juvenile crime rates are down.


The AAP showed a link between spanking and mental illness.

 

A 2009 study found that HCP (harsh corporal punishment) may have detrimental effects on brain development.

A 2010 study found an increase in child aggression when the child was spanked at least twice in the previous month.


The Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment, and Trauma found that corporal punishment is related to a decrease in cognitive ability.


But hey, you got whipped, so it's a great system, right?

 

It worked for me and many other people I know, but that dosent matter to you because you missed my last point in the previous response.

 

Your wife is an adult, who knows the difference from right and wrong.

 

The majority of children dont know, and need some sort of corporal punishment to get the point across. 

 

Time out work for some, spanking work for some, and whipping work for others. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

What a stupid retort. This is basically saying "Pics or it didnt happen"... everyone who has kids or knows people well that have kids know that kids are running over their parents in the majority nowadays. I mean for gods sakes if you haven't heard multiple people say kids are getting worse by the generation then you're living in a hole. I've heard it from people that have kids and don't have kids, and I see it from my own eyes.


Whatever, AP went overboard with the scrotum marks. But a switch is not overboard in general, and more of todays youth needs it.


I'd spank my kid in public with my hand, and I dare anyone on this board to tell me I'm a monster for it. I'd simply laugh.

Every generation says the next generation is getting worse. That doesn't mean squat. Back it up. Look at crime, oh wait it's actually down....

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He injured his freaking scrotum. I don't care what your parents did or someone mom or grandma did. What Peterson did was abuse. There is no need for that level of punishment to a 4 year old. And if your parents did what Peterson did then they abused you.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Man calm the hell down, my parents didnt abuse me, it was discipline I deserved.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

This post is the truth. Again, I have to refer to my recent post in that I still don't understand the scrotum marks, that's a bit much for me, but everything else is perfectly normal. 

 

AGAIN, if you take out the scrotum marks which I don't agree with, it really shows you how far society has come with discipline. It makes sense too because children nowadays are ten times as worse as their previous generation. People just don't care as much as they did before. I applaud my parents generation of discipline. 

 

Our parents were child abusers.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

What the hell are you talking about?


Man calm the hell down, my parents didnt abuse me, it was discipline I deserved.

Then to what end? Open wounds are fine? Bruises from neck down are fine? Injured scrotum no problem? That's abuse. As a society we should strive to be better.

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Our parents were child abusers.

If they did what Peterson did to his child then yeah they were. I really hope people understand the difference between spanking and what Peterson did. And again, the kid was 4 years old. Got to me pretty messed up to do that to a 4 year old.

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And what is more sickening about the whole situation is Peterson just had one of his kids die from child abuse. Think about that for a second.

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Then to what end? Open wounds are fine? Bruises from neck down are fine? Injured scrotum no problem? That's abuse. As a society we should strive to be better.

 

I was disciplined to stop from misbehaving. Again, I got a few skin lashes, but it was deserved.

 

If you think i was abused, then wouldn't you assume I would have a criminal record, be in jail, or doing drugs?

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Adrian Peterson had a child that was killed by child abuse.  I'm not saying what he did was completely wrong, because I think the right intent was there, but I think he took it way too far. 

 

Everyone disciplines in their own terms....spanking, time out, etc....but if you're breaking skin or leaving marks that are there more than a week afterwards, imo, you're doing something wrong.

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I was disciplined to stop from misbehaving. Again, I got a few skin lashes, but it was deserved.

 

If you think i was abused, then wouldn't you assume I would have a criminal record, be in jail, or doing drugs?

 

There's a line between acceptable corporal punishment and abuse. Physical pain does reinforce the standards, but I think AP went way beyond that line based on the pictures I've seen. It's a shame that parents who use physical punishment responsibly get lumped in with full fledged abusers.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I was disciplined to stop from misbehaving. Again, I got a few skin lashes, but it was deserved.


If you think i was abused, then wouldn't you assume I would have a criminal record, be in jail, or doing drugs?

I don't know your situation so prefer to keep this on what Peterson did to his son. I said if they did to you what Peterson did to his kid then yes. Even Peterson said he went overboard.

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There's a line between acceptable corporal punishment and abuse. Physical pain does reinforce the standards, but I think AP went way beyond that line based on the pictures I've seen. It's a shame that parents who use physical punishment responsibly get lumped in with full fledged abusers.

Also, those wounds were a week healed. Imagine how they looked right after.

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Adrian Peterson had a child that was killed by child abuse. I'm not saying what he did was completely wrong, because I think the right intent was there, but I think he took it way too far.


Everyone disciplines in their own terms....spanking, time out, etc....but if you're breaking skin or leaving marks that are there more than a week afterwards, imo, you're doing something wrong.

Eggzactly.

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Also, those wounds were a week healed. Imagine how they looked right after.

 

Yeah, that guy should be in jail. It's definitely beyond responsible parenting.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

People keep saying "Our parents did it.  We turned out fine!"  Well there's all kinds of things people's parents do that we don't do anymore.  I'm pretty sure there's a lot of them you wouldn't want us to do.  But we learned them from our parents!  

 

You can post all the anecdotes of "I turned out fine!" you want.  There are just as many cases where it didn't work out fine.  


Personally I'm against spanking altogether.  I think it reinforces that violence is an acceptable answer to anything. I'm not going to tell anyone else how to raise their children.  But when it comes to leaving physical marks on a child, that IMO is significantly wrong.  I don't care if your parents did it.  I don't care how well you turned out.  Because that's not always the case.  People keep saying "We need to go back to whipping kids!"  Maybe we need to go back to whipping adults.  Maybe we should go back to stoning people like we used to.  That's what our ancestors did.  

How would you feel if someone else whipped your kids?  If they were acting up, you'd be okay with them leaving marks on them?  I know I wouldn't.  I'd leave the same marks on them they left on my child, only worse -- because they're an adult.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

People keep saying "Our parents did it. We turned out fine!" Well there's all kinds of things people's parents do that we don't do anymore. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of them you wouldn't want us to do. But we learned them from our parents!


You can post all the anecdotes of "I turned out fine!" you want. There are just as many cases where it didn't work out fine.


Personally I'm against spanking altogether. I think it reinforces that violence is an acceptable answer to anything. I'm not going to tell anyone else how to raise their children. But when it comes to leaving physical marks on a child, that IMO is significantly wrong. I don't care if your parents did it. I don't care how well you turned out. Because that's not always the case. People keep saying "We need to go back to whipping kids!" Maybe we need to go back to whipping adults. Maybe we should go back to stoning people like we used to. That's what our ancestors did.


How would you feel if someone else whipped your kids? If they were acting up, you'd be okay with them leaving marks on them? I know I wouldn't. I'd leave the same marks on them they left on my child, only worse -- because they're an adult.

Good post. As I mentioned my Dad was an alcoholic and I turned out fine. It's silly logic. I guess that proves being an alcoholic is a great way to raise kids...

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I was disciplined to stop from misbehaving. Again, I got a few skin lashes, but it was deserved.

 

If you think i was abused, then wouldn't you assume I would have a criminal record, be in jail, or doing drugs?

That's not how any of this works. It's not saying corporal punishment = criminal record and drug user. It's saying that it increases the likelihood of those things. Some people that are abused will turn out just fine. Some people that aren't won't turn out fine. That doesn't mean there is a trend there.


You can drink and drive and get home just fine. It doesn't mean it is a safe thing to do.

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Spanking is fine, beating is not.

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I don't know your situation so prefer to keep this on what Peterson did to his son. I said if they did to you what Peterson did to his kid then yes. Even Peterson said he went overboard.

 

Okay, Peterson admitted he went overboard.

 

Im sure there are some children out there who are being abused more severely who wish they had a voice to be heard. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

That's not how any of this works. It's not saying corporal punishment = criminal record and drug user. It's saying that it increases the likelihood of those things. Some people that are abused will turn out just fine. Some people that aren't won't turn out fine. That doesn't mean there is a trend there.


You can drink and drive and get home just fine. It doesn't mean it is a safe thing to do.

 

Are you literally freaking serious?

 

Go back and read the links you posted in your response to me.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.