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Forget the Bridgewater talk --- who do you take @ #2
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Quote:Rob Rang: lol, I've seen a LOT of Mariota's play where he looks anything but "technically sound". We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:I need more upside comparisons of Mariota. You're saying he'll be better than RG3 or Kaep?The most popular comparison is a more advanced and poised Kaepernick, yes.
Quote:You can win a Super Bowl with non-elite QBs and the NFL's best defense. I added the fact that eite defenses allowed non-elite quarterbacks to win Super Bowls. The 2000 Ravens had the best defense is NFL history. No Super Bowl team won the big game with an average quarterback and a sucky defense. Here is proof an elite quarterback is very important to get to the Super Bowl most of the time: Bart Starr (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 2 of 2 Joe Namath (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 1 of 1 Roger Stabauch (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 2 of 4 Terry Bradshaw (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 4 of 4 Bob Griese (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 2 of 3 Joe Montana (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 4 of 4 Phil Simms (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 1 of 1 Troy Aikman (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 3 of 3 Steve Young (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 1 of 1 Brett Favre (future Hall of Famer, number will be retired) - 1 of 2 John Elway (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 2 of 5 Tom Brady (future Hall of Famer) - 3 of 4 Peyton Manning (future Hall of Famer) - 1 of 2 Drew Brees (future Hall of Famer) 1 of 1 In addition, here are some Super Bowl losing quarterbacks: Fran Tarkenton (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 0 of 4 Dan Marino (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 0 of 1 Jim Kelly (Hall of Famer, number retired) - 0 of 4 Quarterbacks who are not being billed as future Hall of Famers but were voted to Pro Bowls on merit and played in Super Bowls include: Steve McNair (0 of 1) Kurt Warner (2 of 3) Matt Hasselbeck (0 of 1) Ben Roethlisberger (2 of 3) Aaron Rodgers (1 of 1) Eli Manning (2 of 2) Joe Flacco (1 of 1) One of these quarterbacks is the next-best thing to Peyton Manning in the first half of 2013, even better than Tom Brady, if you believe the quarterback rankings report.
Ugh. What if the Texans stink it up and they get Teddy! 2 of the best QB's to come out in awhile and BOTH were in our reach and BOTH are on a AFCS team :-(.
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Quote:High YPA only means something when your QB isn't getting it from throwing screens and wide open short passes all day, like Mariota does; i.e. high YAC. I'd take tahj boyd over mariota. Mariota is in a crazy offense with freakish athletes up and down the depth chart. Theres is no nfl offense comparable to oregons guys. The only offense even close would probably be the eagles. Boyd seems more NFL ready to me not saying Mariota will be unsuccessful We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
This "no chance" and "definitely" talk is ridiculous. The truth is, we really don't know. We heard last year that there is "no chance" the Jaguars take an offensive lineman at #2 this past year. Crazier things have happened in the NFL draft than a QB needy team not reaching for a QB at #2 overall.
Quote:I added the fact that eite defenses allowed non-elite quarterbacks to win Super Bowls. The 2000 Ravens had the best defense is NFL history. No Super Bowl team won the big game with an average quarterback and a sucky defense. Here is proof an elite quarterback is extremely important to get to the Super Bowl most of the time: You have a very liberal usage of the term "elite". The following are good QBs, but to consider them "elite" is a huge stretch: Joe Flacco Colin Kaepernick Rex Grossman Matt Hasselbeck Donovan McNabb Jake Delhomme Rich Gannon Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Kerry Collins Steve McNair Drew Blesdoe Neil O'Donnell And that is just the past 15 years. Those QBs are/were good, not elite. Quote:If you want a great stat about Mariota, he's 78th in the NCAA in 3rd down conversions, needless to say Bridgewater is near the very top. Just curious is the 78th a percentage or a quantity? According to this site Oregon is ranked 45th http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/c...eam/699/p1
Quote:You have a very liberal usage of the term "elite". The following are good QBs, but to consider them "elite" is a huge stretch: I guess you missed the end of my post. I admitted perhaps some of the players on my list are not elite; however, they are much better than Johnson, Grossman, and Dilfer. Most of the players I listed are Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:so what you're saying is that mariota would make for a good running back?Jump ship? Is this after you hold your "breathe" until you turn purple? This is starting to resemble the adoring 11 year olds pining for their Justin.
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Quote:Mariota would be a very nice "consolation prize". He very well may end up being the best QB in the class a few years from now when its all said and done. Both Bridgewater and Mariota are averaging over 10 YPA. You know the "the most important stat to judge a QB" according to some message board GMs..... While YPA is a good determining factor for QBs.....I honestly don't beleive any QB outside of Bridgewater is worth a top 5 draft pick. And IMO I would take Manziel over Mariota. He has a higher YPA and much higher completion % than Mariota does. If we fall to #2 pick its Clowney and Maziel for me, luckily though I don't have to make a call like that.....but I seriously don't see us taking a QB with #2 pick if Bridgewater is gone. EDIT: BTW I AM NOT SAYING MY OPTIONS FOR #2 PICK ARE CLOWNEY AND MANZIEL.....I am saying the only option for #2 pick is Clowney and then with our next pick I would take Manziel.
Honest question here . . . Why is everyone talking about Marcus Mariota as an option before he even decides to declare for the draft?
Quote:Honest question here . . . Why is everyone talking about Marcus Mariota as an option before he even decides to declare for the draft? Because his advisors will tell him hes going to be a top 5 pick, so he will more than likely declare. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
If the draft was today and we had #2 mine would be: Trade back for a nice couple of picks and grab a QB in the mid/late first, or take Clowney and then a QB in rd 2.
Quote:Because his advisors will tell him hes going to be a top 5 pick, so he will more than likely declare. Nobody knows that before it happens. Quote:Nobody knows that before it happens.No one knows for sure but there is a group of people that each prospect declaring for the draft must see before entering. They give their best educated guesses on where the prospect is most likely to be drafted albeit the first round, third round etc. Draft advisory board: <a class="bbc_url" href='http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft_Advisory_Board'>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft_Advisory_Board</a>
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Quote:While YPA is a good determining factor for QBs.....I honestly don't beleive any QB outside of Bridgewater is worth a top 5 draft pick. Manziel's YPA & Mariota's YPA are actually pretty much the same. Manziel's completion pct is higher this season, but both had similar completion pct last year. It is a bit concerning that Mariota's comp pct regressed, however. You usually want to see a QB steadily progressing in that category every season (like Teddy) in college, not bouncing around each year. It concerns me equally that both Manziel and Mariota are both soph's. Teddy is so far ahead of both of them as a prospect, its ridiculous. If I had to choose from Manziel or Mariota, I think I'd take Mariota though. All things being pretty much equal, you take the bigger QB. Plus Manziel's reckless style is less prone to work in the NFL than Mariota's unpolished game, thus Mariota is the lesser of 2 evils. But you don't take either Mariota or Manziel at 2 overall. Not even close to worth it. You take Clowney at 2 or trade down. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
No way to Manziel. Great college player that relies on skills and traits that are highely unlikely to get him by at the next level. He's a gigantic risk, one this franchise can't take. The only QB thus far that I would take at the top of the draft is Bridgewater. If we unfortunately miss out on him (please, don't let this happen.) then at this moment I'd see if any big trade downs are available. Accumulate every pick you can because no other player at that point has that much potential to turn the franchise around longterm. There is still a lot of football left so much can and will change. This is where my opinion stands as of today.
Quote: I guess you missed the end of my post. I admitted perhaps some of the players on my list are not elite; however, they are much better than Johnson, Grossman, and Dilfer. Most of the players I listed are Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers. You said that the only non-elite QBs to play in the Super Bowl are Johnson and Dilfer. I listed a whole slew of QBs that are not elite that started in the Super Bowl.
Quote:You said that the only non-elite QBs to play in the Super Bowl are Johnson and Dilfer. I listed a whole slew of QBs that are not elite that started in the Super Bowl. Who cares about a bunch of QB who lost? Only 2 of those mediocre QB were able to actually WIN the big game. |
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