I guess that means Andrew Luck will be a bust, right?

Chris Long as well!

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Well to answer the question - it doesn't, but even the best football name wasn't saving that scrub. Besides I think the "name" thing is little more than an intangible. I think it is an interesting study, but I don't think a name makes the player or dooms the player. 

 

I do find all this love for Derek Carr amusing though. These are the same people that trumped up garbage like Zach Dysert and would insult anyone who didn't think Dysert would be a good pro too, though, so I am never surprised 

 

Dysert has started so many games as the Broncos QB to evaluate him as pro quarterback.

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Quite a provenance - Derek Carr.  Brother of David and playing Trent Dilfer's old spot.  Winner!

 

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Well to answer the question - it doesn't, but even the best football name wasn't saving that scrub. Besides I think the "name" thing is little more than an intangible. I think it is an interesting study, but I don't think a name makes the player or dooms the player. 

 

I do find all this love for Derek Carr amusing though. These are the same people that trumped up garbage like Zach Dysert and would insult anyone who didn't think Dysert would be a good pro too, though, so I am never surprised 

 

I thought Zac Dysert would be a good developmental QB. It's hard to tell how a QB has developed or how his pro career will work out when sitting the bench behind Peyton Manning. 

 

Also I don't think you have a clue as to what "trumped up" means. 

 

As for the Carr love, I have only seen him play once so I'm not really going to say either way what I think he will or won't be at the next level. But at least he's putting up impressive numbers against weaker competition which is what you would expect a potential high round pick to do. If he was struggling or if you watched more than one game you'd have a case against Carr, as it stands you're just grasping at straws. 

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Seeing all this arguing back and fourth from y'all makes me LOL….... I like Teddy but there is always a QB in every draft out of the 1st round that will surprise everyone (Russell Wilson) (Tom Brady) ect.. What if we draft Teddy Bridgewater and he turns out to be a bust, then what would y'all say..Woulda? Shoulda? Anyway…..Derek Carr is not there yet but has the tools to learn from the coaches at the next level and be better than what he is... he's already better than his bother. I know Gus and David wants players who loves and breathe football…I can see that in Derek Carr.…...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmGSjaPCWI

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Carr has played in obscurity for the most part this season.

 

In the next few months, we will see him at the Senior Bowl and potentially a BCS bowl. We'll have some opportunities to pick him apart.

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Wonder if TMD will change his opinion on a player because of his name again. It's already happened twice this year....


First, Clowney because no one can be good with that kind of name. Then, Teddy since that sounded like a kids name or something.


Wish some of you would actually watch players before commenting.

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Gotta have the bloodlines. Just ask Casey Matthews, Craig Bradshaw, Jordan Rodgers, and Mike Peterson.

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I think Carr is going to be big time, Bridgewater is more polished but the raw potential (huge arm) that Carr gives you makes things interesting

Maybe, I'm missing something and need to watch some more of his games (which I will), but from what I've seen so far Carr is a second round QB. Maybe even third round.


Carr throws a lot of screens, short passes, and predetermined reads often failing to go through his progressions...He has all the physical tools and lots of "potential", but those kind of picks should get picked at later in the draft.

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Wonder if TMD will change his opinion on a player because of his name again. It's already happened twice this year....


First, Clowney because no one can be good with that kind of name. Then, Teddy since that sounded like a kids name or something.


Wish some of you would actually watch players before commenting.

Oh he already said he's never going to get past the name.

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Seeing all this arguing back and fourth from y'all makes me LOL….... I like Teddy but there is always a QB in every draft out of the 1st round that will surprise everyone (Russell Wilson) (Tom Brady) ect.. What if we draft Teddy Bridgewater and he turns out to be a bust, then what would y'all say..Woulda? Shoulda? Anyway…..Derek Carr is not there yet but has the tools to learn from the coaches at the next level and be better than what he is... he's already better than his bother. I know Gus and David wants players who loves and breathe football…I can see that in Derek Carr.…...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmGSjaPCWI

Well, sounds like you should know that top 10 QBs are about a 52% hit rate. Top 10 pass rushers are about 46% hit rate. 2nd round QBs chances of hitting are just under 20%, and less than 5% after that. 2nd round and later DEs are far better than that for hitting.

 

Granted 'hitting' is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, but if you're trying to make the argument that we should take the 'guarantee' of Clowney or Barr and find the anomaly of a Russ Wilson or Tom Brady then you are completely backwards. There is no such thing as a guarantee, and the odds say that QB early and pass rusher later is a much better gamble than DE early and QB later.

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Oh he already said he's never going to get past the name.

 

Of course.

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Seeing all this arguing back and fourth from y'all makes me LOL….... I like Teddy but there is always a QB in every draft out of the 1st round that will surprise everyone (Russell Wilson) (Tom Brady) ect.. What if we draft Teddy Bridgewater and he turns out to be a bust, then what would y'all say..Woulda? Shoulda? Anyway…..Derek Carr is not there yet but has the tools to learn from the coaches at the next level and be better than what he is... he's already better than his bother. I know Gus and David wants players who loves and breathe football…I can see that in Derek Carr.…...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmGSjaPCWI

 

Every draft? Really? I can't find one franchise quarterback taken outside of the first round from 2005 to 2010; Matt Schaub was a third-rounder in 2004 and Tony Romo went undrafted in 2003. Please find the Russell Wilson for me during that stretch. Kyle Orton, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, and Ryan Fitzpatrick from 2005 were all stopgap QBs at one point, I guess, but hardly guys you would want leading your team for the next decade.

 

Going back even further, David Garrard was a fourth-rounder in 2002. You have to go back to Drew Brees in 2001 -- at pick 32, a first-rounder in today's draft -- to find a bonafide All-Star.

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Carr has played in obscurity for the most part this season.

 

In the next few months, we will see him at the Senior Bowl and potentially a BCS bowl. We'll have some opportunities to pick him apart.

 

BluegrassBrandon says that Senior Bowls, BCS bowls, combines, and pro-days are irrelevant in the evaluation process. The NFL Draft could be held today and it would wind up exactly the same as it would after those events. Scouts gain nothing from them.

 

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Wonder if TMD will change his opinion on a player because of his name again. It's already happened twice this year....


First, Clowney because no one can be good with that kind of name. Then, Teddy since that sounded like a kids name or something.


Wish some of you would actually watch players before commenting.

 

Wait, TMD doesn't like Bridgewater now??

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Wait, TMD doesn't like Bridgewater now??

No he does. This was before he watched him play.

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BluegrassBrandon says that Senior Bowls, BCS bowls, combines, and pro-days are irrelevant in the evaluation process. The NFL Draft could be held today and it would wind up exactly the same as it would after those events. Scouts gain nothing from them.


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A lot of the physical testing stuff at the combine isn't very relevant for a QB that plays from the pocket like Carr with all the passing ability needed. If you watch him play you can tell he has enough athleticism to get outta the pocket and extend the play. I think interviews in these situations are where he'll help himself most.


Senior Bowl and BCS bowl could be a step toward erasing the "small school"/"level of competition" stigma that some scouts may have.

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BluegrassBrandon says that Senior Bowls, BCS bowls, combines, and pro-days are irrelevant in the evaluation process. The NFL Draft could be held today and it would wind up exactly the same as it would after those events. Scouts gain nothing from them.

 

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That's an impressive skewjob, hailtoyourvictor. I said that upcoming passing drills conducted against air and worthless tests like the Wonderlic should have no bearing on a message board poster's present-day opinion of a quarterback's chances for NFL success. If you like Derek Carr right now, I don't know why you wouldn't in April. BCS Bowls are incredibly important. The 2013 Sugar Bowl was why Teddy Bridgewater was the No. 1 pick back in the summer in scouts' eyes when fools in the media were still pretending that Jadeveon Clowney had a chance of going first; the 2007 game was why JaMarcus Russell went from a second-round project to the top pick in the draft.

 

And again, this is mostly unique to a guy like Carr who has 30+ games under his belt. His career is essentially finished and has given us plenty of sample size to work with. An unknown asset like Devin Gardner, on the other hand, can trick fans like you into thinking he has first-round potential before showing how horrible he is before even reaching a combine. The games need to be played.

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Imo all that stuff isn't important.  I think you should be evaluated strictly based on what you do on the field and that teams you face during the season.  The combine is a joke.  The Senior Bowl sometimes can work, but I saw Matt Jones rip it up at the Senior Bowl and look where that got us. 

 

This is all just my opinion, but I wish the combine were what it used to be.  Something for the players to check out physically.  All that other stuff is pointless. 

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No he does. This was before he watched him play.

 

For some reason, I still don't think TMD watches college football. He openly admitted to not watching college football at all last year. This year he is spouting the same topsy-turvy opinions as always, but I'm suppose to believe he watches all of these games now?

 

I wonder if he likes Teddy's name now.

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