That's an impressive skewjob, hailtoyourvictor. I said that upcoming passing drills conducted against air and worthless tests like the Wonderlic should have no bearing on a message board poster's present-day opinion of a quarterback's chances for NFL success. If you like Derek Carr right now, I don't know why you wouldn't in April. BCS Bowls are incredibly important. The 2013 Sugar Bowl was why Teddy Bridgewater was the No. 1 pick back in the summer in scouts' eyes when fools in the media were still pretending that Jadeveon Clowney had a chance of going first; the 2007 game was why JaMarcus Russell went from a second-round project to the top pick in the draft.

 

And again, this is mostly unique to a guy like Carr who has 30+ games under his belt. His career is essentially finished and has given us plenty of sample size to work with. An unknown asset like Devin Gardner, on the other hand, can trick fans like you into thinking he has first-round potential before showing how horrible he is before even reaching a combine. The games need to be played.

 

 

Actually, your words were:

 

The casuals in this thread are so amusing. You can tell by their opinions changing over the course one game or even individual quarters.

 

Your minds should already be made up about many of these prospects, especially guys like Manziel and Mariota who are on national television every other week. Watch more games, I guess, and stop being swayed so violently by one good outing or terrible effort.

 

 

So either our minds should be mind up or our minds can be influenced by Senior Bowl / Bowl Game performances (see: Teddy Bridgewater, Sugar Bowl). You are contradicting yourself.

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Imo all that stuff isn't important.  I think you should be evaluated strictly based on what you do on the field and that teams you face during the season.  The combine is a joke.  The Senior Bowl sometimes can work, but I saw Matt Jones rip it up at the Senior Bowl and look where that got us. 

 

This is all just my opinion, but I wish the combine were what it used to be.  Something for the players to check out physically.  All that other stuff is pointless. 

 

So what about guys Colt Brennan that made every throw they were asked to in college and put up ridiculous numbers? What about guys like Jason White who won the Heisman Trophy? Do you just take their on-field performances at face value? You don't think that teams should take those throws / stats at face value rather than making sure they can take snaps under center and make NFL throws?

 

:pinch:

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Actually, your words were:

 

 

 

So either our minds should be mind up or our minds can be influenced by Senior Bowl / Bowl Game performances (see: Teddy Bridgewater, Sugar Bowl). You are contradicting yourself.

 

"About many of these prospects"

 

Guess you felt like skipping over that. Too bad. It could help contextualize the difference between Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater for you.

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So what about guys Colt Brennan that made every throw they were asked to in college and put up ridiculous numbers? You don't think that teams should take those throws / stats at face value rather than making sure they can take snaps under center and make NFL throws?

 

:pinch:

 

I mean if your simple minded and only look at a QBs stats.  I didn't need the combine or a Senior Bowl game to tell me Colt Brennan would never complete a pass in the NFL. 

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I mean if your simple minded and only look at a QBs stats.  I didn't need the combine or a Senior Bowl game to tell me Colt Brennan would never complete a pass in the NFL. 

 

Ok, rather than play this game of "20/20 hindsight", I'd like you to give me your list of top 10 QBs in college football right now. I will ask you the same question the week before the draft and since combines/pro-days are meaningless, it should be exactly the same.

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Ok, rather than play this game of "20/20 hindsight", I'd like you to give me your list of top 10 QBs in college football right now. I will ask you the same question the week before the draft and since combines/pro-days are meaningless, it should be exactly the same.

 

20/20 hindsight?  I thought Brennan was trash when he was coming out and he proved me right.  He came from a system where Timmy Chang or whatever his name is threw for the most career touchdowns in college football history.  Not to mention dude had a water pistol for an arm.  You know you can watch game film and tell if a guy has a good arm or not? 

 

I couldn't name 10 QBs in this draft.  I don't care what they do at the combine.  I remember everyone was making this big deal about Cam Newton at the combine and how he was overthrowing everybody and that he his accuracy was terrible.  He was MY first pick going into the combine and he was my first pick after the combine, apparently that didn't stop a team from picking him first overall. 

 

The only way the combine means something is if you have a DB or WR and they come out and run a 5.4, 40.  Either way the combine and the Senior Bowl is a joke.  Matt Jones ring any bells?  Vernon Gholston?  And there are many more. 

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Here is my top

 

1. Bridgewater

2. Bortles (Actually think bortles could be the best one in this draft)

3. Boyd

4. Carr

5. Manziel

6. Mettenberger

7. Mariota

 

And it won't change, combine or not. 

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i remember the 2011 qb class, the combine results helped almost every qb improve their stock.  i was laughing so hard when locker was picked by the titans, i was pissed with the gabbert pick i wanted kaep in the 2nd/3rd lol me, but the funniest pick was christian ponder, i thought he was a 2nd rounder.  Measurables and Athleticism will always help/destroy a qb, and for a pocket passer like carr, nice measurable, really good speed a one of the best arms in the class, the combine will definitely catapult him in the top 5, i mean gabbert, ponder and locker were picked in the top half and carr is a much polished passer than any of those and has as good of a measurable, if not better.

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i remember the 2011 qb class, the combine results helped almost every qb improve their stock. i was laughing so hard when locker was picked by the titans, i was [BAD WORD REMOVED] with the gabbert pick i wanted kaep in the 2nd/3rd lol me, but the funniest pick was christian ponder, i thought he was a 2nd rounder. Measurables and Athleticism will always help/destroy a qb, and for a pocket passer like carr, nice measurable, really good speed a one of the best arms in the class, the combine will definitely catapult him in the top 5, i mean gabbert, ponder and locker were picked in the top half and carr is a much polished passer than any of those and has as good of a measurable, if not better.

In your opinion. How would the combine catapault him?

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In your opinion. How would the combine catapault him?

his measurables and 40 should stand out, also his arm strength, the throwing drills should show scouts how his footwork and mechanics has improved but more importantly his interview will also be huge.

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his measurables and 40 should stand out, also his arm strength, the throwing drills should show scouts how his footwork and mechanics has improved but more importantly his interview will also be huge.

All of that with the exception of the interview/medical can be seen from film study though, so I fail to see how it can really catapault him.

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All of that with the exception of the interview/medical can be seen from film study though, so I fail to see how it can really catapault him.

Does the name Mike Mamula mean anything to you? 

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Does the name Mike Mamula mean anything to you?

I know he was a combine star. I wanna say mid-late 90s?


But for a QB that has the physical tools that are apparent when you watch him play. I really don't see how a 40 time or throwing against air is going to legitimately help his stock.

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All of that with the exception of the interview/medical can be seen from film study though, so I fail to see how it can really catapault him.

sure but during the combine gms/scouts and coaches gets to witness the player first hand especially in the passing drills, they can determine if the footwork can be adjusted as is some mechanical flaws a certain player might have.  They can ask players to display snapping the ball under center and other techniques certain players need to display.  Whether you think the combine is not as relevant to the draft process as it might be, to the players it is.

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I know he was a combine star. I wanna say mid-late 90s?


But for a QB that has the physical tools that are apparent when you watch him play. I really don't see how a 40 time or throwing against air is going to legitimately help his stock.

Absolutely correct.   

 

The combine helps with QBs too.  I agree with you that game tape/on field game performance is/should be the most important criteria.  GMs and scouts become risk averse in the offseason.  That's why there is such an emphasis on the measurables, and guys like Drew Brees and Russell Wilson fall.

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sure but during the combine gms/scouts and coaches gets to witness the player first hand especially in the passing drills, they can determine if the footwork can be adjusted as is some mechanical flaws a certain player might have.  They can ask players to display snapping the ball under center and other techniques certain players need to display.  Whether you think the combine is not as relevant to the draft process as it might be, to the players it is.

 

Exactly right. 

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also the combine will get the exact measurements on all players, for example, manziel most likely isnt gonna be  6'1 and we will get teddy's exact weight. 

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Oh he already said he's never going to get past the name.

 

has more to do with the "name" being a relation to a scrub i.e. bloodlines,...

 

If you are going to claim I said something, at least tell the whole story, not pieces of it just so you fan further your agenda

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has more to do with the "name" being a relation to a scrub i.e. bloodlines,...

 

If you are going to claim I said something, at least tell the whole story, not pieces of it just so you fan further your agenda

 

 

I don't care how good he looks, I still can't and won't get past the "Carr" part of the equation. 

 

There you happy? Either way it's still ignorant to write someone off based on their relatives accomplishments or in this case lack thereof. 

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has more to do with the "name" being a relation to a scrub i.e. bloodlines,...

 

...like Andrew Luck..

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