Dave will not trade up that far to pick him. Moving up a long way is very expensive and we can get a good player at 38.

 

Yes, ma'am.

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Btw I have a feeling we are going to be major players in FA this year.

 

I agree.  I think we see two guys signed to big contracts  (on par with Julius' deal) and a few more mid-tier guys. 

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But what if Dave can take a player he likes at #5 overall, then trade up into the top 15 and still keep his Second Round pick? What if a team is willing to take our 2017 First Round pick and a collection of 2016 late round picks? Might be far-fetched but crazier things have happened. If a scenario like this plays out, it'll be like getting the 2016 First Round pick a year early.

Hmmmmm.....

 

This is an interesting thought. If Dave feels like it's absolutely put up or shut up this year for both he and Gus, maybe he would be more willing to mortgage some of the future in order to make things happen now.

Also.....Hmmmmmm.

 

 

Ya know, this would actually be something that 'may' happen. Ol' Gene did it every year when were were deplete of talent, doing this at a time like now would actually, kind of make sense. He would have to really be targeting a player to do it, but it's not as nutso as it sounds. 

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This was from last week and is my attempt to hang on to hope at Von Miller on the Jags:

 

Everybody around the league expects the Denver Broncos to use the franchise tag on linebacker Von Miller, but if he somehow hits free agency, expect the Jaguars to make a big play for Miller. Jacksonville has a ton of money available and they badly need a difference-maker on the defensive side of the ball. If Miller isn't slapped with the tag, the Jaguars are willing to overpay to get him to come to Jacksonville.

Read more at <a class="bbc_url" href='http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2016rumors4.php#P1DjSm6qI3mflvJh.99' title="External link">http://walterfootbal...Sm6qI3mflvJh.99</a>

 

But yeah, it is much more likely and realistic that an Olivier Vernon will be one of the Jag's main targets. I also think Dave will try and bring in as many guys as possible, so he can truly go BAP in the draft.

In my mind Olivier Vernon is going to be a Jag. I've already got him in the two toned! If it doesn't happen, Ima be mad. Seriously though, I really feel like Miami won't be able to keep him. He would have to be a target. 

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Character issues aside, I would take Spence over Bosa 9 times out of 10. His ceiling is much higher than Bosa's.

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Character issues aside, I would take Spence over Bosa 9 times out of 10. His ceiling is much higher than Bosa's.

My thoughts as well. His and Fowler on opposite ends will be a nightmare for the teams in this division for a long time.

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<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

Character issues aside, I would take Spence over Bosa 9 times out of 10. His ceiling is much higher than Bosa's.

Amen.

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The more I research Spence, the more I like him.  He hasn't had any issues since leaving Ohio State, right?  The interview I read, he sounded like he realized he screwed up and got his life back on track.  Talent wise, I wouldn't put him as a Khalil Mack prospect or anything, but he's one of the better pass rushers I've seen in this draft and even the 2015 draft.

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The more I research Spence, the more I like him. He hasn't had any issues since leaving Ohio State, right? The interview I read, he sounded like he realized he screwed up and got his life back on track. Talent wise, I wouldn't put him as a Khalil Mack prospect or anything, but he's one of the better pass rushers I've seen in this draft and even the 2015 draft.

Had a public intoxication thing last year I think.

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This is an interesting thought. If Dave feels like it's absolutely put up or shut up this year for both he and Gus, maybe he would be more willing to mortgage some of the future in order to make things happen now.

 

My dream is to take Ramsay at 5 and then use our first next year and 2nd this year to try and trade up to 9/10 and take VH3. 

 

Backfield problems solved.

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Character issues aside, I would take Spence over Bosa 9 times out of 10. His ceiling is much higher than Bosa's.

 

Who said that?

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When targeting candidates for the OTTO position in free agency, from a size perspective, historically Dave and Gus went with Skuta (6'2 265) and Watson (6'2 245).  Spence measured 6'2 5/8" and 254 at the senior bowl.  CBS reports that he showed at the Senior Bowl the ability to rush, stop the run, and showed some ability to drop into coverage.  He appears to have the size and rounded skill set to be an OTTO.  Personally, I think he's better suited to be a LEO; however, he appears suited to be able to handle the OTTO role if desired.        

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When targeting candidates for the OTTO position in free agency, from a size perspective, historically Dave and Gus went with Skuta (6'2 265) and Watson (6'2 245).  Spence measured 6'2 5/8" and 254 at the senior bowl.  CBS reports that he showed at the Senior Bowl the ability to rush, stop the run, and showed some ability to drop into coverage.  He appears to have the size and rounded skill set to be an OTTO.  Personally, I think he's better suited to be a LEO; however, he appears suited to be able to handle the OTTO role if desired.        

 

We need a player who already has the skills to play Otto. This is not the time to draft a "project" player, especially on defense.

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Funny that you and missjaguarsfan agree with each other.


I don't use google to determine what I believe in a prospect. I use my eyes. Spence is a beast. Plus, I bet if you look up Spence on google all you will see is how impressive he has been and that he is absolutely a first round pick, etc.


Projections stink. Justin Houston went 3rd round, 70th overall. If he were in this draft with the known fact that he would be this good, he would be a top 10 pick easily.

 

This is where you and others miss where value factors in.

 

If you redraft Houston, where do you take him?

 

3rd round, exactly where he went.  You don't pay more for what you can take for less.

 

Vontaze Burfict is a great example.  Fell much later than he should have - went completely undrafted, but that's where the value met the risk.  And, like most that fall, that risk has had it's consequences.

 

Bottom line... Spence isn't worth selecting with our first pick.  To think otherwise isn't putting everything into perspective.  It's not Madden.

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We need a player who already has the skills to play Otto. This is not the time to draft a "project" player, especially on defense.

He appears to have the skills and size....I would not characterize him as a 'project' player.  All rookies have some adjustment to the NFL. 

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This is where you and others miss where value factors in.


If you redraft Houston, where do you take him?


3rd round, exactly where he went. You don't pay more for what you can take for less.


Vontaze Burfict is a great example. Fell much later than he should have - went completely undrafted, but that's where the value met the risk. And, like most that fall, that risk has had it's consequences.


Bottom line... Spence isn't worth selecting with our first pick. To think otherwise isn't putting everything into perspective. It's not Madden.

Nah. Sorry. Spence is going top 20 and I've seen guys like Matt Miller project him as high as pick 9 to Tampa right now.


I love his potential and how he seems to be genuine about his mistakes. He's my guy at 5 whether you like it or not

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Ol lame [BLEEP] Pirkster at it again

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Who said that?

LOL I said it. Just my opinion. Although the thing about Bosa's ceiling seems to be a consensus. NFL.com says his upside is good, not great. Plus, I saw an article that said the consensus among team scouts is that Bosa does not have a high ceiling. I think what they are trying to say is what you see is what you get. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Bosa is one hell of a player. His floor is higher than any pass rusher coming out of this draft, but don't expect him to improve much more. He's almost at his ceiling.

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Nah. Sorry. Spence is going top 20 and I've seen guys like Matt Miller project him as high as pick 9 to Tampa right now.


I love his potential and how he seems to be genuine about his mistakes. He's my guy at 5 whether you like it or not.

 

Who cares if one guy thinks he will be the ninth overall pick? None of the four NFL.com mocks have him going in the top 30. Also, "right now" is almost three months away from the draft.

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Who cares if one guy thinks he will be the ninth overall pick? None of the four NFL.com mocks have him going in the top 30. Also, "right now" is almost three months away from the draft.

You're a dude.

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