I doubt Carr lasts until the second round.  Probably ends up being a top 10-15 pick.

 

The guy reminds me of Jay Cutler for some strange reason. 

 

Jay Cutler is an interesting comparison, and might not be all that far off. 

 

I also agree with the 10-15 thing, but prob closer to 10. 

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I agree that having a sucessful GM, HC, and young core players is more important than waiting for Bridgewater, but if we happen to lose to the Texans by a few points this Thursday, I won't be upset by any means.

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So, if you CAN get something for $5, you should pay $20 for it anyway, just because you "believe" in it?

 

Thats sounds like the Gene Smith book of "working" the draft. 

 

You don't KNOW you will get him later. That's the issue. You said if Caldwell believes in McCarron then he should pass on him and trade back to get him later without knowing if other GM's will pass on him too. If he believes he's worth the 4th pick (if that's where we pick) why should he pass on him as you suggest?

 

According to your logic he should pass on everyone he believes in to trade away for more picks. This strategy will get you 20 picks in the 6th round.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

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 If he believes he's worth the 4th pick (if that's where we pick) why should he pass on him as you suggest?

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

 

I know you were simply raising a hypothetical, but McCarron is not worth anything close to the 4th overall pick.  If Dave took him #4 overall, I'd start to question the way he evaluates talent.

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I object less to his suggestion for QB (McCarron) , than about how he suggests we acquire that same QB (with whatever pick we have even if its a top 5 pick) . 

 

If the Jags can gain some value by fetching some draft picks and using a mid first rounder (or later) to nab McCarron and then also use a day 3 pick on a QB like Aaron Murray, I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that. 

 

I'm starting to buy in to gaining some momentum here at the end of the season by finishing strong. 

 

I'm also starting to warm to the notion that there are other QB that we can win with other than Teddy Bridgewater, even though I think he's still the best of the class. I think I fear the Texans getting him more than I fear the Jags not being able to find another one. 

 

This coming from the Einstein who continuously said we will remain sucking for decades if we continue to rack up "meaningless" wins.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

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You don't KNOW you will get him later. That's the issue. You said if Caldwell believes in McCarron then he should pass on him and trade back to get him later without knowing if other GM's will pass on him too. If he believes he's worth the 4th pick (if that's where we pick) why should he pass on him as you suggest?

 

According to your logic he should pass on everyone he believes in to trade away for more picks. This strategy will get you 20 picks in the 6th round.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

 

This is exactly how you end up trading up for Gabbert, taking Alualu at 10, and trading up for Cox.  Smith's strategy in a nutshell.

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You don't KNOW you will get him later. That's the issue. You said if Caldwell believes in McCarron then he should pass on him and trade back to get him later without knowing if other GM's will pass on him too. If he believes he's worth the 4th pick (if that's where we pick) why should he pass on him as you suggest?

 

According to your logic he should pass on everyone he believes in to trade away for more picks. This strategy will get you 20 picks in the 6th round.

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

 

McCarron will almost certainly be there in the mid 1st round. 

 

If McCarron is Caldwell's guy, he should be aware of the likelyhood of the above, and try to enhance the Jaguars position in the draft accordingly. Taking a player with the 5th pick when you instead could try to (and probably succeed) to trade down to the target position and add a few picks in the process is simply smart business. Caldwell also isn't dumb/ over-simplistic to fall in love with just one mid-round prospect - he'd have contingency plans. 

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This coming from the Einstein who continuously said we will remain sucking for decades if we continue to rack up "meaningless" wins.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

 

Actually I never said we'd suck for "decades" if we continued to rack up meaningless wins...

 

And, I'm actually warming up to the idea of building on the momentum we now have started with now 3 wins in 4 games. 

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This is exactly how you end up trading up for Gabbert, taking Alualu at 10, and trading up for Cox.  Smith's strategy in a nutshell.

 

Yup. :yes: 

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So, if you CAN get something for $5, you should pay $20 for it anyway, just because you "believe" in it?

if there's a chance it won't be available to you at $5, then yes

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if there's a chance it won't be available to you at $5, then yes

 

I disagree. Good GM's do this all the time with their trade downs. They target an area of the draft where they believe a certain player they happen to like should fall to and trade down to that slot and stockpile extra picks in the process. 

 

In this case, taking AJ McCarron at 4 or 5 would be [BLEEP] or in other words - "Gene Smith-like GM'ing" . But trading down to 14 or so, lets you get the player at a more reasonable location as well as extra picks in the process. 

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If McCarron is so great why not pick him with the 1st or 2nd pick?

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Interesting recent post on McCarron from rotoworld:

 

 

 

NFL.com's Albert Breer spoke with one AFC college scouting director who believes Alabama senior QB A.J. McCarron is very similar to Tom Brady.
 
"Good size, outstanding touch on all throws, can make all the throws but only has average arm strength," the executive said. "Outstanding progression-read quarterback, makes throws to his second and third reads consistently. Doesn't turn the ball over. Winner. Mentally tough. Has the moxie and cockiness most great QBs have. Very similar to Tom Brady in stature, athletic ability, arm strength, touch..." These are all really positive traits, and obviously the unnamed evaluator is a fan. In fact, the AFC scouting director said McCarron could be the first quarterback off the board in May. Breer noted other circles see McCarron as a third rounder.

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You know what today showed us? Caldwell is a boss.

 

We all know Joeckel is a franchise LT, Gratz had a pick today, Cyprien had a pick today, Ace Sanders balled out, Marks has been our best FA signing,

 

These guys who are rookies are playing like vets. Caldwell studies film and scouts talent like a pro. Whoever we pick and wherever we pick I fully trust that Dave will get it right.

 

Agreed.  I just wish we had a game against Pittsburgh because I think we would have a chance and I would love to see Dave Dameshek deal with his team losing to us. 

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It seems some have been lulled to sleep by the Jaguars winning against equally bad teams. They have also deluded themselves into thinking that we can pick up a long term franchise QB in a later rounds using outliers such as Russell Wilson And Tom Brady as examples. This upcoming Draft has a Lot of QBs But I think only 1 clearly separates from the others. The rest are either developmental or limited ceiling guys. What do I know though, the QB position is the hardest position to evaluate.

Like Geno did last year?

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Interesting recent post on McCarron from rotoworld:

 

 

 

<div>NFL.com's Albert Breer spoke with one AFC college scouting director who believes Alabama senior QB A.J. McCarron is very similar to Tom Brady.
 
"Good size, outstanding touch on all throws, can make all the throws but only has average arm strength," the executive said. "Outstanding progression-read quarterback, makes throws to his second and third reads consistently. Doesn't turn the ball over. Winner. Mentally tough. Has the moxie and cockiness most great QBs have. Very similar to Tom Brady in stature, athletic ability, arm strength, touch..." These are all really positive traits, and obviously the unnamed evaluator is a fan. In fact, the AFC scouting director said McCarron could be the first quarterback off the board in May. Breer noted other circles see McCarron as a third rounder.
 

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Yes, for the next 6 months we will be seeing tons of 'rogue' scouts who fall in love with prospect and rank them way above the norm. The vast majority of draftniks have him ranked as a late day 2 pick or later.

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Yes, for the next 6 months we will be seeing tons of 'rogue' scouts who fall in love with prospect and rank them way above the norm. The vast majority of draftniks have him ranked as a late day 2 pick or later.

 

To be fair, most draftniks had Geno Smith as a first round pick.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

To be fair, most draftniks had Geno Smith as a first round pick.

But no NFL GM had him as a 1st rounder. That Mcacarron blurb screams of an early smokescreen.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I was saying this in a few threads, and a lot of people think he's had success because of a stacked NFL caliber O-line and WR's. It takes a great QB to keep a team at the #1 spot for almost 3 years.

Umm didn't Leinart do that? Ken Dorsey?

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To be fair, most draftniks had Geno Smith as a first round pick.

 

Everyone is wrong at times. I remember the draftbreakdown ranking in 2012 predicted like 25 of the first rounders. Cant seem to find it now that they changed up their site.

 

And Geno didnt really far that much outside the first anyway. Point being they usually can pinpoint the general area of when players will be drafted.

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