But no NFL GM had him as a 1st rounder. That Mcacarron blurb screams of an early smokescreen.

 

Its possible. But McCarron's resume isn't bad. I don't think it would shock many people to see McCarron drafted in the late first round, for instance. I do not think he will be the first QB selected, however. Probably not even one of the first 3. 

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Its possible. But McCarron's resume isn't bad. I don't think it would shock many people to see McCarron drafted in the late first round, for instance. I do not think he will be the first QB selected, however. Probably not even one of the first 3. 

 

McCarron in the 2nd would not make me mad.  I know nothing about evaluating QBs, but I remember watching a game (against someone good, but can't remember who) where Alabama was down a score or two early and a 'Bama WR dropped a pass on 1st down deep in their own territory.  McCarron was so calm and collected about it, patted the guy on the back as he headed into the huddle and commenced to drive the length of the field.  I like his coolness under pressure.  That being said, you need the tangibles too.  If the only thing scouts can talk about are your intangibles (see Tebow) its because you have no tangibles.

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Its possible. But McCarron's resume isn't bad. I don't think it would shock many people to see McCarron drafted in the late first round, for instance. I do not think he will be the first QB selected, however. Probably not even one of the first 3. 

So wait a minute! Youre overused comeback EVERYTIME ive gotten on you about your "Bridgewater or bust" comments, has been "coming from someone with a McCarron sig". So now that youve seen something on one of your "sites", you get on the wagon? 

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So wait a minute! Youre overused comeback EVERYTIME ive gotten on you about your "Bridgewater or bust" comments, has been "coming from someone with a McCarron sig". So now that youve seen something on one of your "sites", you get on the wagon? 

 

Well, I was pretty focused on that particular QB (Bridgewater) perhaps overfocused....and at that time I didn't really put much consideration into other QB's, because frankly, it appeared as if we were headed to 1-15 type record and the 1st pick, which didn't seem to necessitate much other QB options other than that one. Well, fast forward to today, and things have changed. The Jags recent surge presents a different outlook and different realistic QB options. They most likely are playing their way out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes so I need to look for other realistic QB options with an open mind. More so than before. 

 

Also, I was posting about McCarron positively before the post from rotoworld that you cite during the day. I was impressed watching McCarron in the game on Saturday. No, they didn't win, but to no fault of him. I like that he seems to play well in big games and in big spots. 

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This is exactly how you end up trading up for Gabbert, taking Alualu at 10, and trading up for Cox.  Smith's strategy in a nutshell.

 

Wrong. You're assuming Caldwell's evaluation of talent is the same as Gene Smiths. This is flawed logic.

 

Regards.............the Chiefjag

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I disagree. Good GM's do this all the time with their trade downs. They target an area of the draft where they believe a certain player they happen to like should fall to and trade down to that slot and stockpile extra picks in the process. 

 

In this case, taking AJ McCarron at 4 or 5 would be [BLEEP] or in other words - "Gene Smith-like GM'ing" . But trading down to 14 or so, lets you get the player at a more reasonable location as well as extra picks in the process. 

 

Well let's just inject your GM skills versus Caldwells. You said that if McCarron was Caldwell's guy then he should trade back because YOU think he's available in the mid 1st round but if Caldwell think he's worth a pick at 4th, say, then he's overpaying for him! If he's Caldwell's guy then Caldwell thinks he's WORTH THE PICK!!!

 

Do you still want the Jags to lose because "meaningless" wins will screw up the franchise for years? Simple yes or no will suffice.

 

Regards.............the Chiefjag

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Well, I was pretty focused on that particular QB (Bridgewater) perhaps overfocused....and at that time I didn't really put much consideration into other QB's, because frankly, it appeared as if we were headed to 1-15 type record and the 1st pick, which didn't seem to necessitate much other QB options other than that one. Well, fast forward to today, and things have changed. The Jags recent surge presents a different outlook and different realistic QB options. They most likely are playing their way out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes so I need to look for other realistic QB options with an open mind. More so than before. 

 

Also, I was posting about McCarron positively before the post from rotoworld that you cite during the day. I was impressed watching McCarron in the game on Saturday. No, they didn't win, but to no fault of him. I like that he seems to play well in big games and in big spots. 

kind of funny, you called me out for liking more than one qb then here you are doing the same thing  :whistling:

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kind of funny, you called me out for liking more than one qb then here you are doing the same thing  :whistling:

 

It's really not funny, he flips like a spanish mackerel on the deck.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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kind of funny, you called me out for liking more than one qb then here you are doing the same thing  :whistling:

 

Well, I called you out for liking what seemed like EVERY QB, so I wouldn't say its doing the same thing....

 

I am pimping 2 QB so far (Bridgewater & now McCarron), well 3 if you count my Murray inclusion for a day 3 pick. 

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It's really not funny, he flips like a spanish mackerel on the deck.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

 

Nothings being "flipped" freak, circumstances changed (Jags winning thus potentially a later pick than previously assumed) and I'm expanding the QB field a bit out of necessity. If I all of a sudden wasn't high on Teddy, then that would suggest a "flip/ flop". But thats not happening. 

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Well, I called you out for liking what seemed like EVERY QB, so I wouldn't say its doing the same thing....

 

I am pimping 2 QB so far (Bridgewater & now McCarron), well 3 if you count my Murray inclusion for a day 3 pick. 

uhh i pimped out carr bortles, mett, and manziel. so yeah its pretty similar. cant you just accept youre a hypocrite, i mean everyone already knows but i'd like you to admit it.

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uhh i pimped out carr bortles, mett, and manziel. so yeah its pretty similar. cant you just accept youre a hypocrite, i mean everyone already knows but i'd like you to admit it.

 

You've also said you had Bridgewater as your top QB, despite oddly throwing a dig in about his play during most of his games in Bridgewater threads...as well as talking up other QB's in addition to the above you admit to. 

 

Its not "similar" I take a cautious approach before jumping on a QB's bandwagon, while you pretty much are like the town doorknob, the way you love all of them at some point or another. 

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Archie Manning has had McCarron in his programs.....said he has the intangibles and is one of the best.

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

You've also said you had Bridgewater as your top QB, despite oddly throwing a dig in about his play during most of his games in Bridgewater threads...as well as talking up other QB's in addition to the above you admit to. 

 

Its not "similar" I take a cautious approach before jumping on a QB's bandwagon, while you pretty much are like the town doorknob, the way you love all of them at some point or another. 

teddy is still the most pro ready qb in the draft and my #1 on a short leash, but take into consideration, i wanted clowney first and those qbs in the second, which werent considered first round locks coming into the season. 

 

hyprocrite! hypocrite! hypocrite!

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My options for us -

1. Teddy

2.Barr

3.Carr

4.Trade down, take a QB later in the first or early in the second.

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I am deeply saddened and disappointed at how many people on here really think McCarron could be the answer for us at QB. Backup QB/emergency starter ceiling at best.

 

If any franchise is committing to having him start for them for any significant period of time you can say goodbye to that team's chance of playing for a title during that entire duration. 

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I want us to snag Kirk Cousins out of Washington. The Redskins fear playing him because of the controversy it would create for RGIII. That is why he plays injured.

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No pain, no gain.

Archie Manning has had McCarron in his programs.....said he has the intangibles and is one of the best.

 

 

I know McCarron has intangibles, but what I would like to know is, can he throw the ball into a 1 foot square, with velocity, from 20 yards.   That's what a good NFL QB can do.    When a college receiver is open they are open by 5 yards.   When a pro receiver is open they are open by one yard.   Velocity and accuracy are what separate a good college passer from a good pro passer.  

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One thing is certain, quarterbacks will shoot up the draft board and a couple will be selected unworthy as a top 3 pick.  That will leave decent value for us to pick up what we perceive as the the best player at a coveted position, DE, CB, DT, OT etc.  That is assuming we pick up more wins this season.

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I am deeply saddened and disappointed at how many people on here really think McCarron could be the answer for us at QB. Backup QB/emergency starter ceiling at best.

 

If any franchise is committing to having him start for them for any significant period of time you can say goodbye to that team's chance of playing for a title during that entire duration. 

 

Agree. There is some serious Kool-aid being passed around here and it isn't tasty.

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