I am deeply saddened and disappointed at how many people on here really think McCarron could be the answer for us at QB. Backup QB/emergency starter ceiling at best.

 

If any franchise is committing to having him start for them for any significant period of time you can say goodbye to that team's chance of playing for a title during that entire duration. 

 

Blame CBS and ESPN for trying to give the kid the Heisman was the past few weeks. They built him up.

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Blame CBS and ESPN for trying to give the kid the Heisman was the past few weeks. They built him up.

 

We should all wait till Mel Kiper finalizes his board before making any draft decisions.

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The fact that Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick makes me less worried about draft position and more about the fact I think we got the right GM.

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I am fine with not getting the number one pick because we would be ridiculed for years for taking Bridgewater over Clowney. Id be content with taking Barr with the 3rd or 4th pick and drafting a qb later and maybe taking a shot at a Sanchez type player.

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Manziel 2014!

Blame CBS and ESPN for trying to give the kid the Heisman was the past few weeks. They built him up.

Yeah, and it's shameful that supposedly educated posters on here could fall for it. QB wins mean absolutely nothing when it comes to evaluating a prospect and that is literally the only above average 'trait' that McCarron has haha. 

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Yeah, and it's shameful that supposedly educated posters on here could fall for it. QB wins mean absolutely nothing when it comes to evaluating a prospect
and that is literally the only above average 'trait' that McCarron has haha. 

 

I don't agree with that. I do believe that they are an overrated aspect, but for a QB who is playing against lower level competition, he should have enough ability to pull out wins. Granted, there are always extenuating circumstances and exceptional events like multiple drops, woefully poor line play, etc., but a QB who aspires to NFL caliber play better be able to generate wins.

 

As an example, look at the Senior season for Joe Flacco and Ben Roethlisberger's entire career at Miami.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Yeah, and it's shameful that supposedly educated posters on here could fall for it. QB wins mean absolutely nothing when it comes to evaluating a prospect and that is literally the only above average 'trait' that McCarron has haha. 

 

Look at how many people ate up the lazy Clowney narrative from ESPN. ESPN even made up a story of him not being on his team bus.

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Eagles got Foles in round 4

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You can find starting QBs outside of round 1. However, the odds of the QB taken in later rounds becoming a successful NFL QB drops considerably compared to round 1 caliber prospects. Later drafted QBs such as Brady, Wilson, and Foles are the outliers, and absolutely not the norm. Here was a good study...

http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/11/14/510...draft-pick

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I am fine with not getting the number one pick because we would be ridiculed for years for taking Bridgewater over Clowney. Id be content with taking Barr with the 3rd or 4th pick and drafting a qb later and maybe taking a shot at a Sanchez type player.[/size]

"...and taking a shot at a Sanchez type player."

We already have a "high pick wash out from another team" veteran in Henne. No thanks. For a young team in rebuilding mode, it is the perfect time to draft and develop a QB with a scoutfully hopeful high ceiling.

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I don't agree with that. I do believe that they are an overrated aspect, but for a QB who is playing against lower level competition, he should have enough ability to pull out wins. Granted, there are always extenuating circumstances and exceptional events like multiple drops, woefully poor line play, etc., but a QB who aspires to NFL caliber play better be able to generate wins.

 

As an example, look at the Senior season for Joe Flacco and Ben Roethlisberger's entire career at Miami.

Joe Flacco's Delaware team was 11-4 his senior season. Big Ben was 7-5 as a true freshman and sophomore starter and then 13-1 as a junior before declaring...so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say sorry. 

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I am deeply saddened and disappointed at how many people on here really think McCarron could be the answer for us at QB. Backup QB/emergency starter ceiling at best.

 

If any franchise is committing to having him start for them for any significant period of time you can say goodbye to that team's chance of playing for a title during that entire duration. 

 

He's not a long term solution and in no way is he a first round pick. However, I think his ceiling is closer to game manager on the level of Dalton than just emergency QB.

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I am deeply saddened and disappointed at how many people on here really think McCarron could be the answer for us at QB.

 

Deeply saddened?

 

Holy hyperbole Batman.

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Joe Flacco's Delaware team was 11-4 his senior season. Big Ben was 7-5 as a true freshman and sophomore starter and then 13-1 as a junior before declaring...so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say sorry. 

 

I'm trying to say that in the case of a Quarterback who is playing against inferior competition while in college, his team should be winning games due to his influence if he wants to be an NFL Quarterback. Delaware's performance with and immediately without Flacco show this since they put up a lot of wins, and then fell off afterwards -- 11-4 and then 4-8 and 6-5. Roethlisberger also demonstrates this as Miami's record dropped to 8-5 and then 7-4 after he left.

 

In short, a QB has more impact on a teams win loss record than any other position. It's not the only factor and he isn't the only reason, but he needs to have a major impact on the teams performance for him to be considered as an NFL QB.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

http://www.sportsdatallc.com/2012/01/31/...inning-qb/

 

There it shows Superbowl winning qbs.  And only 33% were drafted #1 over all.   That means we have a greater chance of being super bowl bound not having the number one pick.  

A 67% chance of winning the super bowl not having the number one pick.

 

That is why you never tank for that special qb.

 

The lack of logic in your post amazes me.  You can't compare one draft pick (1st pick in the 1st round) to EVERY other draft pick (picks 2-224).  So the 1st overall pick has won 33% of the Super Bowls?  What other single pick has won more?  Has the 5th pick in the 1st round won more Super Bowls?  How about the 17th pick in the 4th round?  You're basically comparing 223 draft pick slots (picks 2-224) to 1 draft pick position (1st overall pick).

 

I'm not saying that we should lose games on purpose - but given the choice I'd much rather have the 1st pick than not have it.  Why on earth wouldn't you want to have the option to select anyone that you want without worrying about another team taking "your guy" before your turn comes?

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The lack of logic in your post amazes me. You can't compare one draft pick (1st pick in the 1st round) to EVERY other draft pick (picks 2-224). So the 1st overall pick has won 33% of the Super Bowls? What other single pick has won more? Has the 5th pick in the 1st round won more Super Bowls? How about the 17th pick in the 4th round? You're basically comparing 223 draft pick slots (picks 2-224) to 1 draft pick position (1st overall pick).


I'm not saying that we should lose games on purpose - but given the choice I'd much rather have the 1st pick than not have it. Why on earth wouldn't you want to have the option to select anyone that you want without worrying about another team taking "your guy" before your turn comes?

This is exactly my feelings on the matter and I don't understand why more people can't see it like this.

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I'm not saying that we should lose games on purpose - but given the choice I'd much rather have the 1st pick than not have it.  Why on earth wouldn't you want to have the option to select anyone that you want without worrying about another team taking "your guy" before your turn comes?

 

You're just assuming winning games literally means nothing but losing draft position.

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This is exactly my feelings on the matter and I don't understand why more people can't see it like this.

 

The problem is that our fanbase is so desperate to see any semblance of a "winning team" that they have ignored the fact that our wins are clearly against equally bad or worst teams. They see the wins as the light at the end of the tunnel, some sort of magical momentum that will carry us into next season. I see them for what they are: wins for a team not going to playoffs. At the end of the day when we look at this season it will still be a losing one. Sure the players and coaches showed growth, but aren't they supposed to? If they are not then you have another Gene Smith situation. I was never worried about the team growing, that was never a concern. I thought both Caldwell and Bradley were already miles better than what we had prior. But in a losing season, whats wrong with having the pick of the litter? It's not that I don't want the team to win, or that I cheer for them to lose, I just simply didn't care. 

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The problem is that our fanbase is so desperate to see any semblance of a "winning team" that they have ignored the fact that our wins are clearly against equally bad or worst teams. They see the wins as the light at the end of the tunnel, some sort of magical momentum that will carry us into next season. I see them for what they are: wins for a team not going to playoffs. At the end of the day when we look at this season it will still be a losing one. Sure the players and coaches showed growth, but aren't they supposed to? If they are not then you have another Gene Smith situation. I was never worried about the team growing, that was never a concern. I thought both Caldwell and Bradley were already miles better than what we had prior. But in a losing season, whats wrong with having the pick of the litter? It's not that I don't want the team to win, or that I cheer for them to lose, I just simply didn't care. 

 

Really? Because it seems like you do care.

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Yeah, and it's shameful that supposedly educated posters on here could fall for it. QB wins mean absolutely nothing when it comes to evaluating a prospect and that is literally the only above average 'trait' that McCarron has haha. 

Fall for it? Really? Try opening your eyes to his product on the field! Maybe remove the eyes from Teddy's --- for a moment. If youre saying "wins are his only trait", then you either dont watch college ball at all, or have no idea what you are looking at.

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