Ahh yes, the damage of making our air cleaner.   Not to mention trying to find an energy source so our country can be less dependent on foreign energy sources.  

 

The Global Warming scam has nothing to do with making the air cleaner. If anything, the carbon taxing and demonizing of cheap electricity has resulted in much manufacturing moving from the US and Europe to China, where the electrical plants and factories are far more polluting than they are/were in the West.


The only "foreign" energy source is oil. Coal, natural gas, and uranium are plentiful in the US, and nuclear energy has caused less deaths per kilowatt than even wind and solar. For electrical generation nuclear is by far the best CO2-free alternative; it's only slightly more expensive than coal or natural gas (much cheaper than wind or solar), and generates a constant, stable supply of electricity.


 

If you are talking about transportation, the US also is now self-sufficient in oil production. Even before that we had a reasonably-priced means of replacing foreign oil imports. Converting coal to petroleum is cost-effective at $2.00 per gallon.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Science isn't a democratic process.  A small percentage of scientists disagreeing doesn't mean that it's an invalid theory.  Not even the law of gravity is 100%.  Vaccines certainly aren't.  The great thing about science is that you don't have to believe for it to be true.  And when new data is available, it changes.  

 

I'm pretty sure the law of gravity is 100%. There has never been a measurement to refute the theory.


 

In contrast, the CO2-induced warming theory predicts a hot spot (much greater warming than elsewhere) in the tropical upper troposphere. That hot spot does not exist.


 

When a theory makes a prediction that is falsified, then the theory is wrong. Except for CO2-induced global warming. Nothing can falsify it because it's a religion, not a scientific theory.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I'm pretty sure the law of gravity is 100%. There has never been a measurement to refute the theory.


In contrast, the CO2-induced warming theory predicts a hot spot (much greater warming than elsewhere) in the tropical upper troposphere. That hot spot does not exist.


When a theory makes a prediction that is falsified, then the theory is wrong. Except for CO2-induced global warming. Nothing can falsify it because it's a religion, not a scientific theory.

Ok, Malabar is officially not worth responding to. Enjoy your trolling, friend. I really hope you get remunerated for your efforts otherwise you are quite possibly the most pathetic person on this message board. Good day, sir. I said good day!

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Ok, Malabar is officially not worth responding to. Enjoy your trolling, friend. I really hope you get remunerated for your efforts otherwise you are quite possibly the most pathetic person on this message board. Good day, sir. I said good day!

Quite the contrary. He provides many valid points and information based on facts and lack of a political agenda. Your tired of constantly trying to counter what he brings to the table.

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Quite the contrary. He provides many valid points and information based on facts and lack of a political agenda. Your tired of constantly trying to counter what he brings to the table.

 

I don't think that's the case.  I think he just got tired of a never ending argument that no one was going to "win."  

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I don't think that's the case.  I think he just got tired of a never ending argument that no one was going to "win."  

 

Nah, he'll be back with a half dozen copy pasta link before the week is out.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Nah, he'll be back with a half dozen copy pasta link before the week is out.

Is that what your kind calls news articles?

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Is that what your kind calls news articles?

No, "my kind" properly refers to it by its name, "propoganda."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2...mate-talks


Oh man these guys ain't fooling me. Obviously another power grab by the liberal elite trying to make a quick buck off the conspiracy...

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Oh man these guys ain't fooling me. Obviously another power grab by the liberal elite trying to make a quick buck off the conspiracy...

I have zero issues with Gates spending his money however he wants.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Quite frankly, you kooks are so cult-like on this.

 

First, the world was flat.

Then, acid rain was killing us.

Then the hole in the ozone.

Then global "warming."

When that was debunked, it became "climate change" when they thought no one would notice the argument changed.

 

Common sense, please.

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Quite frankly, you kooks are so cult-like on this.


First, the world was flat.

Then, acid rain was killing us.

Then the hole in the ozone.

Then global "warming."

When that was debunked, it became "climate change" when they thought no one would notice the argument changed.


Common sense, please.

You're just trying to revive the thread by saying the most ridiculous thing you can think of.


I'm not going to bite.

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I'm pretty sure the flat Earth crowd were conservatives.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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The Global Warming scam has nothing to do with making the air cleaner. If anything, the carbon taxing and demonizing of cheap electricity has resulted in much manufacturing moving from the US and Europe to China, where the electrical plants and factories are far more polluting than they are/were in the West.


The only "foreign" energy source is oil. Coal, natural gas, and uranium are plentiful in the US, and nuclear energy has caused less deaths per kilowatt than even wind and solar. For electrical generation nuclear is by far the best CO2-free alternative; it's only slightly more expensive than coal or natural gas (much cheaper than wind or solar), and generates a constant, stable supply of electricity.


 

If you are talking about transportation, the US also is now self-sufficient in oil production. Even before that we had a reasonably-priced means of replacing foreign oil imports. Converting coal to petroleum is cost-effective at $2.00 per gallon.

 

Do you at least acknowledge the horrific effects of coal mining techniques on the surrounding environment?

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Quite frankly, you kooks are so cult-like on this.


First, the world was flat.

Then, acid rain was killing us.

Then the hole in the ozone.

Then global "warming."

When that was debunked, it became "climate change" when they thought no one would notice the argument changed.


Common sense, please.

Hey, look another a conservative republican who get his science from his politicians. How fantastical!

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Do you at least acknowledge the horrific effects of coal mining techniques on the surrounding environment?

 

Sure. And the trains which transport coal are dangerous just because trains are dangerous. BTW, that also applies to the trains transporting oil in lieu of the Keystone pipeline. As long as the pipeline is stonewalled Warren Buffett makes big money from his railroad stocks.


 

But the environmental effects of coal mining pale in comparison to neodymium mining, which is necessary for the magnets in the windmills.


 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2...-pollution

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Sure. And the trains which transport coal are dangerous just because trains are dangerous. BTW, that also applies to the trains transporting oil in lieu of the Keystone pipeline. As long as the pipeline is stonewalled Warren Buffett makes big money from his railroad stocks.


 

But the environmental effects of coal mining pale in comparison to neodymium mining, which is necessary for the magnets in the windmills.


 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2...-pollution

 

Another "Yeah, but what about..." response. My point was about coal, and why we need to find an alternative.

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Another "Yeah, but what about..." response. My point was about coal, and why we need to find an alternative.

 

I pretty much just ignore this thread since it's gone so far off topic, but here is a question.  Does the alternative to coal have to be "green"?  What about natural gas or nuclear power?

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Another "Yeah, but what about..." response. My point was about coal, and why we need to find an alternative.

 

Then you didn't read my post that you were responding to, since it was mainly supportive of nuclear power as a low-CO2 alternative.


 

I wasn't advocating for coal. I was pointing out the fallacy about "clean air" and "foreign energy sources." I'm all for clean air and domestic oil production. Right now they have both been addressed, at least in the US.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I pretty much just ignore this thread since it's gone so far off topic, but here is a question.  Does the alternative to coal have to be "green"?  What about natural gas or nuclear power?

 

I'm actually pretty much ok with nuclear power. Fracking gives me pause, especially when people's water supplies are threatened, both by contamination as well as depletion from use in the process itself. It would also help if all those machines used in the fracking process were converted from diesel to natural gas, and the methane loss in the process were better controlled.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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