The post which I originally responded (and quoted) said the shooter was born during the Regan administration.

 

Donald Regan was Reagan's Chief of Staff, and revealed Nancy's reliance on astrology in a book. For her part, Nancy reportedly was instrumental in Regan's departure as she blamed him for the Iran-Contra scandal, which besmirched Ronnie's legacy.

 

Good grief, a true sign of a bad joke is the need of a diagram. My bad.

 

It wasn't a bad joke, just  well aged.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

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<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Yeah, we're not an island that won't let anyone in like you guys are.

 

OK, rather than blast your post as idiocy, it would probably be more prudent to at least consider the possibility I am missing something. Are you saying that Australia has significantly more restrictive immigration policies? I imagine you are claiming that policies after Port Arthur were irrelevant, just wondering what you were pointing to, because from my understanding Australians have more Muslims as a percentage of the population than the U.S.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

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<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

OK, rather than blast your post as idiocy, it would probably be more prudent to at least consider the possibility I am missing something. Are you saying that Australia has significantly more restrictive immigration policies? I imagine you are claiming that policies after Port Arthur were irrelevant, just wondering what you were pointing to, because from my understanding Australians have more Muslims as a percentage of the population than the U.S.

 

It's not really me saying it...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/opinio....html?_r=0

 

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article...x1szcBmMIg

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/international...on/480189/

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The idea is that the MOST radical christian group christians have don't go around killing people.  Many radical islam groups that go around doing killings aren't radical enough to other camps. its a problem

 

Robert Lewis Dear

Eric Rudolph

Charles Barbee

Ronald Gay

To the best of my knowledge, all identified with Christian movements. 

Seems to me in these cases, as well as the one in Orlando, we have chucklehead losers trying to attach their twisted world views on a religion in which the vast majority do not support their actions.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Yeah, we're not an island that won't let anyone in like you guys are.

Yeah!

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Robert Lewis Dear

Eric Rudolph

Charles Barbee

Ronald Gay


To the best of my knowledge, all identified with Christian movements.

Seems to me in these cases, as well as the one in Orlando, we have chucklehead losers trying to attach their twisted world views on a religion in which the vast majority do not support their actions.

In other news today, a gay pride parade in Saudi arabia...

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In other news today, a gay pride parade in Saudi arabia...

 I seem to recall that ringo made an earlier post about the issue being extremists, not extremists of one particular religion. To him, you merely said 'childish', so I guess I should be flattered by such a substantive reply here. But yeah, the sheikdom of Saudi Arabia doesn't doesn't have our long and storied history of support for minorities that our government does.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Robert Lewis Dear

Eric Rudolph

Charles Barbee

Ronald Gay

To the best of my knowledge, all identified with Christian movements. 

Seems to me in these cases, as well as the one in Orlando, we have chucklehead losers trying to attach their twisted world views on a religion in which the vast majority do not support their actions.

 

I think those 4 cases, spread out as they are over 25 years, are barely a blip against the brutal treatment of gays found in the Islamic world. This shooter in Orlando is applying the the same views as several large Islamic nations who legally put gays to death for the "crime" of homosexuality. That doesn't compare to 4 news articles I found about the sentencing of the Americans you listed for their crimes.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's about hate. It's about terrorism. And gun rights too. 

 

A complex problem that requires multiple solutions. 

 

It's not just about terrorism. 

I think in the mind of the person who committed this atrocious act, gun rights were not a thought in his mind. So in this particular situation I'm pretty sure it was about hate and terrorism. Now the politics of it will absolutely be about gun rights.

 

I agree that it's a complex problem but there are too many moving parts and too many agendas on the part of the politicians for a viable solution to ever happen. This is a country becoming more divided by the day and I don't see anything changing which doesn't bode well for us as a nation. 

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It's not really me saying it...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/opinio....html?_r=0

 

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article...x1szcBmMIg

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/international...on/480189/

Sorry, still not getting it. From what I understand Australia admits far more refugees, including those from areas like Syria, per capita than does the U.S. It is not that they are anti-immigration per se, but that they are opposed to dangerous and ethically questionable (due to trafficking. etc) boat migration. Not sure what this has to do with the post you were responding to.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

"God hates [BAD WORD REMOVED]"


Isn't a Muslim slogan, though...

It's not a Christian one either. Those Westboro freaks are NOT Christian.

 

If you want to know what Islams views are on homosexuality look it up. And remember, all groups have extremists/fanatics who absolutely do not speak for the group they claim to represent. 

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I think in the mind of the person who committed this atrocious act, gun rights were not a thought in his mind. So in this particular situation I'm pretty sure it was about hate and terrorism. Now the politics of it will absolutely be about gun rights.

 

I agree that it's a complex problem but there are too many moving parts and too many agendas on the part of the politicians for a viable solution to ever happen. This is a country becoming more divided by the day and I don't see anything changing which doesn't bode well for us as a nation. 

 

Well, at least you are optimistic about it.  :teehee: As,long as only the bad things change.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Sorry, still not getting it. From what I understand Australia admits far more refugees, including those from areas like Syria, per capita than does the U.S. It is not that they are anti-immigration per se, but that they are opposed to dangerous and ethically questionable (due to trafficking. etc) boat migration. Not sure what this has to do with the post you were responding to.

 

We were discussing immigration policy. They have no adjoining nations with borders that consist of swimmable rivers so their illegal immigration problems are much less than ours. They may well admit more Muslims, but I'm pretty sure they are well vetted before they make landfall.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's not a Christian one either. Those Westboro freaks are NOT Christian.

 

If you want to know what Islams views are on homosexuality look it up. And remember, all groups have extremists/fanatics who absolutely do not speak for the group they claim to represent. 

Sufis say hi.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

It wasn't a bad joke, just  well aged.

 

I should have taken my audience into consideration.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

It's not a Christian one either. Those Westboro freaks are NOT Christian.

 

It's not just Westboro though.  It's Faithful Word too.  And it's easy to say "NOT Christian".  Just as it is easy to say "NOT Muslim".  It's a no true Scotsman fallacy either way.  I saw an absolutely disgusting response from Steven Anderson to the Orlando Shootings.  There's plenty more like him too.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

We were discussing immigration policy. They have no adjoining nations with borders that consist of swimmable rivers so their illegal immigration problems are much less than ours. They may well admit more Muslims, but I'm pretty sure they are well vetted before they make landfall.

Ah, ok, I was unaware of any issues with the illegal Muslim immigration problem we were facing. I still am, but at least I guess I see what you were trying to say. 

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

<p class="bbc_left"> 

<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Ah, ok, I was unaware of any issues with the illegal Muslim immigration problem we were facing. I still am, but at least I guess I see what you were trying to say. 

 

My point is that Australia has a natural barrier to control the population that we don't, and my comments are related to crime and the right to self defense in general, not just Islamic terrorism in this particular incident. We have history, he and I.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I should have taken my audience into consideration.

 

I did not see the post you were referencing and the "Donald Regan" seemed like a typo. :confused:

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's not just Westboro though.  It's Faithful Word too.  And it's easy to say "NOT Christian".  Just as it is easy to say "NOT Muslim".  It's a no true Scotsman fallacy either way.  I saw an absolutely disgusting response from Steven Anderson to the Orlando Shootings.  There's plenty more like him too.  

I have not heard of Faithful Word and have no idea who Steven Anderson is.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of "Christian" groups who are just as freaky as WBC, only WBC doesn't have a problem with being very vocal about their beliefs so that's why I referred to them. Fanatics and extremists, no matter the group, are very disruptive and can be a serious problem as we keep seeing with these radical Islamists who keep killing groups and people they disagree with.

 

It kills me to even say this because I truly loathe them, but as hateful as WBC is at least they're not killing people. They may be spewing hate and discontent but they're not killing people- yet. 

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