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Repeal and Replace Just Ain't Happening

#21

Quote:Why are you lying?
 

Well Technically the Federal judge did block Chump's Ban so nothing is in effect right now. 

Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.
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#22
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 02:41 PM by Jaguar Warrior.)

Quote:Well Technically the Federal judge did block Chump's Ban so nothing is in effect right now. 
 

It will eventually be overturned, guaranteed. The law is objectively on the side of Trump, legally and historically.

 

But why did you lie calling it a Muslim ban? Aren't you against fake news and alternative facts?


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#23

Quote:It will eventually be overturned, guaranteed. The law is 100% objectively on the side of Trump, legally and historically.


But why did you lie calling it a Muslim ban? Aren't you against fake news and alternative facts?


Will Chump sign another EO in the middle of the night to overrule the Federal Judge's decision?


It's a ban on Muslims from Muslim majority countries effecting a lot of Muslims.
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#24

Quote:Do you understand how engrained of a turd pile ACA is? Do you understand how much was borrowed just to get it up and running? Not to mention trying to smooth it over with all the insurance companies the bailed. Now we're stuck with a program intertwined throughout governmental departments that is going to cost another pot of billions we don't have. If anyone thought it would be a simple swap, you are nuts! You are also nuts to make a post that the POTUS has failed because it may take a year to cleanup the mess without the American public feeling pain. The President started day one to get rid of the trash. FYI...he has already disconnected the IRS from the process. You don't build a house starting with the roof!


You are aware that you still have to pay the penalty if you didn't have 12 months of insurance? Correct? You are aware that it's still law?
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#25

Quote:It will eventually be overturned, guaranteed. The law is 100% objectively on the side of Trump, legally and historically.


But why did you lie calling it a Muslim ban? Aren't you against fake news and alternative facts?

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration'>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration</a>



"New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "


Muslim Ban


Here is Rudy bragging about how he helped create the ban:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163'>http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163</a>


MUSLIM BAN
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#26

Quote:Will Chump sign another EO in the middle of the night to overrule the Federal Judge's decision?


It's a ban on Muslims from Muslim majority countries effecting a lot of Muslims.
 

Except it isn't a ban on Muslims. You didn't even read the EO. You are actively propagating lies and alternative facts. What a sad, ignorant, little fellow you are.

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#27

Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration'>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration</a>



"New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "


Muslim Ban


Here is Rudy bragging about how he helped create the ban:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163'>http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163</a>


MUSLIM BAN
 

Quote the EO, bruh.

 

Point to the exact line that states it is banning Muslims. If you can't, you are actively propagating fake news and alternative facts (a favored progressive hobby).

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#28

Quote:Except it isn't a ban on Muslims. You didn't even read the EO. You are actively propagating lies and alternative facts. What a sad, ignorant, little fellow you are.


When was the last attack from the countries on the MUSLIM BAN LIST?
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#29

Quote:When was the last attack from the countries on the MUSLIM BAN LIST?
 

Whoa there. Don't change the subject. I asked for you to find me in the EO where it states this is a ban on individuals of the Islamic faith from traveling into the United States. Hand it over, or forever be branded a "Fake News Activist".

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#30

Quote:Except it isn't a ban on Muslims. You didn't even read the EO. You are actively propagating lies and alternative facts. What a sad, ignorant, little fellow you are.


I read the EO, it's a ban on Muslims from Countries with a Muslim majority population.


The ban isn't tied to any other religion or nationality.
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#31

Quote:I read the EO, it's a ban on Muslims from Countries with a Muslim majority population.

The ban isn't tied to any other religion or nationality.
 

Except it isn't tied to any religion, at all.

 

You say it is.

 

So quote for me in the EO specifically where it says it bans individuals of the Islamic faith from entering the United States. Do it, or like Solid Snake, forever be branded a "Fake News Activist".

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#32

Quote:You are aware that you still have to pay the penalty if you didn't have 12 months of insurance? Correct? You are aware that it's still law?
For this past tax year, you are correct. For 2017 and beyond, it is looking like that is not the case.

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#33

Quote:Except it isn't tied to any religion, at all.


You say it is.


So quote for me in the EO specifically where it says it bans individuals of the Islamic faith from entering the United States. Do it, or like Solid Snake, forever be branded a "Fake News Activist".


They need the fake news. Without it, they have very little to cry about.
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#34

Quote:I read the EO, it's a ban on Muslims from Countries with a Muslim majority population.


The ban isn't tied to any other religion or nationality.
You read jack! Show where it states anything about Islam or Muslim in the EO. You have Christians, Maronites, Syriacs, Armenians, Judaism, etc. Also, understand just like Christianity, there are different forms of Muslim. So which one was banned? What about the other Middle Eastern countries? Just stop.

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#35

Quote:Maybe someone should have told Trump that when he was saying his replacement plan was "all but finished" and that the details would be released "very quickly."  
And that would change what? The media outlook on the situation? Less fuel for the fire? Maybe he she just throw something together and pass it like a thief in the night, leaving the American people on the hook for another $100+ billion!

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#36
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 03:08 PM by Solid Snake.)

Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.


This executive order does not include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.


So who is this order protecting?
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#37

Quote:Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.


This executive order does not include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.
 

You still don't get it, Sad!

 

You said it was a Muslim ban, which is an objective lie. Stop moving the goal posts and playing mental gymnastics. I am still waiting for the quote.

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#38

Quote:You still don't get it, Sad!

 

You said it was a Muslim ban, which is an objective lie. Stop moving the goal posts and playing mental gymnastics. I am still waiting for the quote.
 

There isn't any specific language that says "Muslim Ban". However, we do have several statements made by Trump and his campaign aides that indicated he wanted to ban Muslims, which is an objective truth. Also, if he were interested in protecting the American people he would put a ban on individuals from countries that actually harbor terrorists. Even now he still refuses do to add those countries. Can you explain why?

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#39

Quote:Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.


This executive order does not include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.


So who is this order protecting?
Just because it hasn't smacked ya in the face yet, doesn't mean you ignore it. This is a different world than even 10 years ago. Safety and security relies on a proactive approach and listening to intelligence. Terrorists only have to be right once.

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#40
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 03:24 PM by Jaguar Warrior.)

Quote:There isn't any specific language that says "Muslim Ban". However, we do have several statements made by Trump and his campaign aides that indicated he wanted to ban Muslims, which is an objective truth. Also, if he were interested in protecting the American people he would put a ban on individuals from countries that actually harbor terrorists. Even now he still refuses do to add those countries. Can you explain why?
 

What he said is irrelevant to what is actually written in the EO. A Boston judge confirmed this.

 

As for adding more countries, the Press Secretary just confirmed that DHS Secretary Kelly is looking into it, but will not take action until the EO is relieved of its hold.

 

Also, regardless of all this, the President could still legally ban Muslims from immigrating to this country if he wanted, but he isn't. He is taking a different approach and doing it based on high-terror nations.

 

Rand Paul tried to pass a bill that put a hold on 33(!) countries. I would actually prefer Rand Paul's bill over Trump's EO.

 

Sen. Rand Paul Introduces “SECURE Act” Amendment to Prevent Terrorists From Entering the U.S. as Refugees


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