That's all? Some of those players you listed are just average at best.


Keep in mind 250+ players were drafted. It's been hashed and re-hashed by both local and national pundits/experts/former GM's/current front office personnel etc that 2013 was one of the worst drafts talent wise on the books.

It's like 50 players better than the best one Dave got...and that's only through the third round except for the last 3 that I just remembered off the top of my head. Very far from "hardly anyone got a decent player".

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The entire 2013 draft will be gone after this season unless we re-sign cyp. The 2015 draft amounts to Fowler and AJ Cann who have been average at best thus far. And no every GM doesnt casually miss on first rounders, especially QB, and keep their job. Its not just a couple FAs here and there, were talking entire groups of signings are missing.

Name one GM that has never missed on a 1st round pick QB or not... 2013 draft sucked for everyone...entire groups? I wouldn't go that far

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Name one GM that has never missed on a 1st round pick QB or not... 2013 draft sucked for everyone...entire groups? I wouldn't go that far

There's a difference between missing one and missing on your first 3...all of which are top 5 picks. 

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There's a difference between missing one and missing on your first 3...all of which are top 5 picks. 

once again, the door isnt closed on Bortles or Fowler...Fowler missed his entire rookie season due to injury so last year in fact was his first year playing...You are calling him a bust after one year of playing time? Joeckel only played in 5 games his rookie year, but he wasnt horrible after moving to guard...It would seem you are set to call anyone who doesn't play at an elite level from their very first snap of their career a bust

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Name one GM that has never missed on a 1st round pick QB or not... 2013 draft sucked for everyone...entire groups? I wouldn't go that far

I dont know of any GM that whiffed on a first round QB and is currently employed, the closest i can think of is the redskins but that wasnt really an evaluation problem, thats a health problem and they drafted his replacement in the same draft. Otherwise if you miss on your first round qb youre probably gone.


And sure not everyone constantly hits on their first round picks. But weve had 4 top 5 picks so far and have one above average player out of all of them. And when you compound that with all the other poor drafting yeah theres really no defense for him.


And yeah entire groups. 2013 gave us Marks and Miller and nothing else, and we only got one good season out of marks. Not a single player from the 2014 free agency class is on the team anymore, and the 2015 class thats left is Skuta(mediocre) House(mediocre and on his way out) Jeremy Parnell(mediocre) and Walters(5th string)


In 4 years and the most cap in history and we have the most recent free agent class and two defensive tackles that are probably gone soon.

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Same old typical jaguar message board.  No matter how much a person/player stinks there will be people defending thm.

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Even if you somehow dont include fowler and bortles as failures, we only did well in two drafts, and completely whiffed in two others.


2013 is all gone and 2015 outside of fowler is pretty much a wash too unless you wanna big up AJ cann but hes been average at very best.

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Same old typical jaguar message board.  No matter how much a person/player stinks there will be people defending thm.

so after 1 year of playing time Fowler is a bust? I'm not a Joeckel fan I'm simply saying he's not horrible at guard...The jury is still out on Bortles...So every single GM who has ever missed on a 1st round QB got fired? I doubt that...

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once again, the door isnt closed on Bortles or Fowler...Fowler missed his entire rookie season due to injury so last year in fact was his first year playing...You are calling him a bust after one year of playing time? Joeckel only played in 5 games his rookie year, but he wasnt horrible after moving to guard...It would seem you are set to call anyone who doesn't play at an elite level from their very first snap of their career a bust

if the only redeemable quality of a Left Tackle drafted 2nd overall is that he played guard decently for 5 games in his 3rd season, thats a bust. Theres really no other way to spin that.

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Even if you somehow dont include fowler and bortles as failures, we only did well in two drafts, and completely whiffed in two others.


2013 is all gone and 2015 outside of fowler is pretty much a wash too unless you wanna big up AJ cann but hes been average at very best.

2013 was a bad draft for the entire league but you only want to use it as a derogatory point against Caldwell...

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if the only redeemable quality of a Left Tackle drafted 2nd overall is that he played guard decently for 5 games in his 3rd season, thats a bust. Theres really no other way to spin that.

or you could say he was moved to guard and played decent but then it wouldnt fit your agenda 

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so after 1 year of playing time Fowler is a bust? I'm not a Joeckel fan I'm simply saying he's not horrible at guard...The jury is still out on Bortles...So every single GM who has ever missed on a 1st round QB got fired? I doubt that...

It's not just QB it's LT, we still are searching for a player for that position, when Joeckel should have been that guy.. It's RB, he missed on soo many quality Rbs in the draft.. Gurley,Freeman,Johnson etc. It's DE he drafted a guy in Fowler that missed a whole season then lost his job to a 3rd rounder in Ngakoue..


Not only that but he failed to build a oline through the draft.. Bortles just the icing on the cake.

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2013 was a weak draft but that doesn't mean GMs should get a pass for not being able to correctly evaluate talent. Notice that the well run franchises did well in the 2013 draft.

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or you could say he was moved to guard and played decent but then it wouldnt fit your agenda

Drafting a left tackle second overall and the most you got out of him was 5 games at guard in his 3rd season and you actually think thats a success? Thats just objectively incorrect. Trying to spin it any other way is reaching for the sky. Hes a bust, its a fact.

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or you could say he was moved to guard and played decent but then it wouldnt fit your agenda

The joke is a bust.

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2013 was a bad draft for the entire league but you only want to use it as a derogatory point against Caldwell...

The quality of that class may have been less than others but thats not an excuse to walk away with nothing but a mediocre safety. Thats literally the job of a GM, to find talent. He didnt find any. He didnt do his job. That isnt the drafts fault or else no one else in the league would have a player from that draft. Its absolutely his fault.

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Eric Fisher

Lane Johnson

Ezekiel Ansah

Sheldon Richardson

Star Lotulelei

Kenny Vaccaro

Eric Reid

Justin Pugh

Kyle Long

Tyler Eifert

Desmond Trufant

Xavier Rhodes

Deandre Hopkins

Alec Ogletree

Travis Fredrick

Darius Slay

Gio Bernard

Manti T'eo

Menelik Watson

Kawann Short

Kiko Alonso

Leveon Bell

Jonathan Hankins

David Amerson

Jamie Collins

Vance McDonald

DJ Swearinger

Robert Alford

Eddie Lacy

Travis Kelce

Larry Warford

Tyrann Mattieu

TJ McDonald

Brian Winters

Terron Armstead

Keenan Allen

Logan Ryan

Jordan Reed

Duron Harmon

Brandon Williams

David Bakhtiari

Kyle Juszczyk

Latavius Murray


Just because Dave royally screwed up the draft doesn't mean it was a terrible draft. Pro bowlers into the third round and beyond...

All of these guys came out of the 2013 draft, but dave was only able to draft a mediocre safety. How is that not Daves fault?

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once again, the door isnt closed on Bortles or Fowler...Fowler missed his entire rookie season due to injury so last year in fact was his first year playing...You are calling him a bust after one year of playing time? Joeckel only played in 5 games his rookie year, but he wasnt horrible after moving to guard...It would seem you are set to call anyone who doesn't play at an elite level from their very first snap of their career a bust

There's a difference between a bust and a miss. I haven't called any of them a bust, even though Joeckel could fairly be called one and Bortles/Fowler have work to do to avoid it.

 

Regardless, he took Joeckel and Lane Johnson has become one of the best tackles in the league, He took Bortles and Carr has become one of the best young QBs in the league. He took Fowler and Beasley has become one of the best pass rushers in the league. He missed on all 3, badly. 

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So do Tony Pashos, Jerry Porter, Drayton Florence, and Cleo Lemon.

 

The latter three were signed after Gene Smith was given equal say in January 2008.


 

And you can add Chris Naeole, Brian Williams, and Reggie Hayward to Shack's list. Not every free agent signing
 (Hugh Douglas, cough, cough) turned out right for Shack, but that's typical. He hit on some good ones.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

To Dave's credit. He let all of genes scouts stay his first draft year.


So while that was a bonehead move. It was not his people advising him.


It still was the previous scouts.

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