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Why retain Dave Caldwell?
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Quote:Caldwells 2015 free agents Ouch We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
The 2013 draft was a garbage fire overall. I give him a little pass on that one.
Give it one more year. I think Dave wiffed on Gus Bradley but I trust Tom Coughlin and if TC says Maronne is the guy, this team will be better this year.
Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius.
Quote:Caldwells 2015 free agents That combined with 2015 draft should be enough to get you fired We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:He is one of the worst GMs in football. He's well respected by his peers.... Maybe you should call them and let them know how wrong they are. ![[Image: Welcome%20to%20Duval_zps4z3erxne.jpg]](http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/JoebobCarlo/Welcome%20to%20Duval_zps4z3erxne.jpg)
Quote:He's well respected by his peers.... Maybe you should call them and let them know how wrong they are. His results do that for me
Quote:He's well respected by his peers.... Maybe you should call them and let them know how wrong they are.I would try to make the incompetent guys I am expected to directly compete with sound well respected too... We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:Eric Fisher^Names I know/recognize, but still very good players to this point from that draft. (It be nice to have a Xavier Rhodes on this team,,, He good. But, he was probably gone by the time the Jags had a chance to get him, I'd think).
Quote: Brown was a ST player who failed as a starter, but was maybe still better than Evans. Skuta was a ST player who has been mediocre as a starter, but better than what we had. Wisniewski was a solid center fill-in. Those were three signings that were temporary upgrades, not intended to be long-term starters. Parnell is still our starting RT. He was better in 2015, because of an injury in 2016? House was our best CB in 2015, faded in 2016. Thomas played well in 2015 after he came back from an injury, but faded in 2016. Odrick played well in 2015, missed most of 2016 with an injury. Hmm, four players who were better before a year of Gus Bradley coaching. That seems to support my previous point. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?" Quote:Eric FisherLet's not pretend we're talking revisionist history here. Here is an article dated April 13, 2013-BEFORE that draft. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-exec-says This quote from the article is of particular interest... Quote:(Emphasis added) Here is an article from three years later. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-d...kel-050316 Quote: While it is a GM's mandate to separate the wheat from the chaff-even in poor draft classes-it's harder to do that in a poor draft class. At the time of the draft, many NFL observers thought it was a poor quality class. Over time, reality has borne that out. Unfortunately, Caldwell could not escape or transcend the realities of that draft class. But that doesn't make him a poor drafter overall. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Quote:Brown was a ST player who failed as a starter, but was maybe still better than Evans. Have no problem with Brown , Wiz etc etc they were all short term plugs. Actually most of these guys were expected to be off the books by now. Apart from Thomas and Parnell, Thomas is the only guy I have a big problem with. The rest can be chalked down to lackluster coaching. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Why do people keep saying you don't play revisionist history with GMs? That's EXACTLY what you do to determine if the person is worth keeping going forward. It's called a job review. You look at the results of what were and what could have been. Dave doesn't stack up to darn near anyone that still has a job.
Quote:He's well respected by his peers.... Maybe you should call them and let them know how wrong they are.Some of his peers are in the afc south. No doubt they love him. We are at the bottom every year ![[Image: mvp.avia8a99974486b2b89.md.png]](https://pichost.net/i/2022/04/30/mvp.avia8a99974486b2b89.md.png)
Dave has potential, but no doubt he has been a failure up to this point as a GM. Yes he has made some good draft moves and very few good FA moves but looking at his work here as a whole, he should of been fired with Gus. He is lucky to still have a job here so hopefully he can learn from Couglin these next couple of years if he last that long. But, he will probably be out the door next year if Bortles doesn't improve and for good reason on top of the many others.
Quote:Why do people keep saying you don't play revisionist history with GMs? That's EXACTLY what you do to determine if the person is worth keeping going forward. It's called a job review. You look at the results of what were and what could have been. Dave doesn't stack up to darn near anyone that still has a job. Haha exactly, "let's not look at the results", I don't understand that sentiment. Is it a symptom of Stockholms syndrome? We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:Why do people keep saying you don't play revisionist history with GMs? That's EXACTLY what you do to determine if the person is worth keeping going forward. It's called a job review. You look at the results of what were and what could have been. Dave doesn't stack up to darn near anyone that still has a job.I did not say there were no arguments to be made that Caldwell was lacking as a GM. I assert, for the purposes of this discussion, that under performing in the underwhelming 2013 draft is not one of them. There are teams that draft well overall that did not have a good draft class that year. I'm sure it's beyond question that the Ravens are a good drafting team. Look at their draft class that year Matt Elam-two year starter, lost starting job last year, will not return to team. Arthur Brown-Was never a starter. On his 4th team. Brandon Williams-3 year starter John Simon-Cut after one year; part time starter in Houston Kyle Jusczcyk-three year starter; Pro Bowl in 2016 after only seven starts. Ricky Wagner-three year starter Kapron Lewis-Moore-Played in 5 games in 2015 Ryan Jensen-started 9 games since 2014. DNP in 2013. Aaron Mellette-Never played Marc Anthony-Never played There are a few notable differences that tilt in the Ravens factor in this analysis; 1. They were picking much lower in the draft order. 2. They had a much better roster going into that year than the Jaguars, thus it was harder for their draftees to make and impact/make the team. 3. They did have a Pro Bowler. However, this draft will hardly draw comparisons to the 1974 Steelers draft class. Under your standard of drafting less talented/productive players above more talented productive players in 2013, Newsome fails under that standard, too. Cyprien, picked one spot below Elam, started more games. Darius Slay, a sstarting CB for Detroit, was also more productive and better than Elam. They drafted a DT in the 3rd round, but also could have had Kawann Short instead of Elam. for that matter, they could have had LeVeon Bell instead of Elam. They drafted Arthur Brown in the 2nd round. They could have drafted Travis Kelce, Larry Warford, Tyrann Matthieu, Terron Armstead, Keenan Allen, Logan Ryan instead. Based upon longer term results, clearly the edge goes to Ozzie Newsome over Caldwell. But basing your indictment of Caldwell on the 2013 draft isn't persuasive. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
That Ravens draft produced the premier run stopping nose tackle in the NFL, the best fullback in the NFL, and one of the top 10 RTs in the league...
Quote:The 2013 draft was a garbage fire overall. I give him a little pass on that one. There is no free pass for 2013! Draft Lane Johnson or Sheldon Sheldon Richardson, move out of the pick. A good GM has to identify these types of things. I could see Joeckel was blah at A&M from my living room, and the guy that's supposed to be studying this all year couldn't see it. You had the 2nd pick and that's power. This is his job, he is being paid at the highest level. I understand bad picks happen and the later rounds are mostly misses and guys that last maybe a few years but Dave walked away with 1 okay player and missed badly on the rest. I know there are some hits, but the Free Agents have been atrocious and top 5 misses are what kills me. Dave has been picking top 5 every year he's been here and has not pulled off any trades and I am only giving him Jalen Ramsey as a good pick right now. A good GM hits in the first round more than once out of 4 times, finds the right Free Agents and can deal players/picks for value |
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