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Lewis, Koyack, and Sterling to me are fine at the TE spot(s).  Koyack and Sterling have been developing nicely.  Lewis has got another year in him.  There are other higher priorities, IMO, on the roster to spend picks or dollars.  


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Quote:I don't think they can keep all of their TEs  ( they also have Maxx Williams, Darren Waller and Nick Boyle on the roster)  but I don't agree on Gilmore being a bust and I don't think they do either. 

 

I think they selected him one round too early in the draft, but I actually see a lot of potential in his play.  I'm curious why you see him as a bust? 

He hasn't had a ton of production, but he hasn't had a ton of snaps either. 
 

 

I also forgot about Maxx Williams. That's on me. As far as Gilmore, when he has been given a shot he's had some key drops and missed assignments. He just isn't making the most of his limited opportunities.

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Quote:Lewis, Koyack, and Sterling to me are fine at the TE spot(s).  Koyack and Sterling have been developing nicely.  Lewis has got another year in him.  There are other higher priorities, IMO, on the roster to spend picks or dollars.  
 

 

Lewis may be in his last season with the team so you want to start developing a young TE now. That said, we can use TE help this year. Koyack and Sterling at the very least need to be pushed, and we just lost Julius Thomas at the position. This happens to be the best TE draft the league has seen in decades. When we had a good WR draft, Caldwell got two of them in the second round. I simply can't imagine a scenario where Caldwell does not draft a TE this year aside from possibly targeting a UDFA.



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Eric Saubert is next up on my list expected to measure in at 6' 4 5/8", 247 with an anticipated 4.7 40-time.


 

The quick impression I get with Saubert is that he often flashes great potential but is prone to inconsistency and drops. He's noted as having bad hand-eye coordination with respect to making the catch, but is incredibly athletic for his size and can be dominant both running routes downfield and in the red zone with an outstanding catch radius when he's focused. Not a bad route runner, but there's certainly room for improvement there. Shows flashes of being a good move blocker, but seems to lack desire as a downfield run blocker.


 

Saubert's size and athleticism are tempting, but his drops are an issue in such a talented draft. Saubert is expected to be drafted anywhere from round 6 to going undrafted. Saubert is typically ranked around #13 to #15, although Draft Tek has him ranked #31.



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It's tough to picture a situation where the Jaguars are getting OJ Howard, David Njoku or Evan Engram as they are the consensus top three and likely all gone in the first two rounds. I do see the Jaguars going TE in this draft, but in round three at the earliest. Maybe they draft Njoku in round two should he fall there, but the chances of him falling there are very thin... it's similar with Engram in round three. I still plan to get to them at some point, but for this post I'm going to look at Gerald Everett... often ranked #4.


 

While he's the #4 TE on some major rankings, other draft sites have him all over the rankings from #5 to #8... even one at #13. So it's tough to peg just where the a team might rank him, although he's probably going round 3 or 4. Everett is expected to measure up at 6' 2 3'4", 227 lbs while running a sub-4.7 40.


 

Gerald's one those tiny TEs I was talking about, but sometimes a slight decrease in size equates to a huge boost in speed. He's a prime example. While his route running can be crisper, Everett is an amazingly athletic TE often showcasing his speed and quickness as he's known to blow by defenders. With a keen understanding of how to create separation along with being fearless over the middle, Everett in the right scheme can be a pass-catching machine. After the catch he turns into BEASTMODE getting every possible yard.


 

Because of his high motor and physical game, as a blocker he gets the most out of his smaller frame. It's easy to see why he often ranks so high, and like Njoku I'd love to see him on the roster even if that means bumping Neal Sterling off the roster.



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Here's sort of a rough ranking of the names we've at least mentioned so far...


 

1. OJ Howard (R1)

2. David Njoku (R1)

3. Evan Engram (R2)

4. Gerald Everette (R3-4)

5. Jordan Leggett (R3-4)

6. Bucky Hodges (R3-4)

7. Adam Shaheen (R3-5)

8. Jake Butt - IR? (R3-5)

9. Jeremy Sprinkle (R4-5)

10. Michael Roberts (R4-6)

11. Cole Hikutini (R5-7)

12. Jonnu Smith (R5-7)

13. Eric Saubert (R6-UDFA)


If the Jaguars coul get Everett, Leggett, Hodges or Shaheen in round 4, I'd go for it. If all four are gone, then I'd try for Sprinkle, Roberts or Hikutini in round 5.


I know Butt is popular and perhaps should rank higher when healthy, but I'm thinking he'll spend his rookie season on IR.




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(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 08:34 AM by ATLjag.)

Quote:Lewis may be in his last season with the team so you want to start developing a young TE now. That said, we can use TE help this year. Koyack and Sterling at the very least need to be pushed, and we just lost Julius Thomas at the position. This happens to be the best TE draft the league has seen in decades. When we had a good WR draft, Caldwell got two of them in the second round. I simply can't imagine a scenario where Caldwell does not draft a TE this year aside from possibly targeting a UDFA.
When Dave was asked this week about 'sleeper' players on the roster that would not surprise him that they have a breakout year....he first mentions both Sterling and Koyack.  Thomas was a receiving TE (not a blocker), and I think Sterling is developing well for this type of TE role.  Koyack is larger, can block, appears to be gaining decent receiving skills, and is a developing replacement for Lewis.  I see 3 solid TEs on the roster now.  It would be nice to add another TE in the draft or FA, but I just don't see it as a high need.    


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Quote:When Dave was asked this week about 'sleeper' players on the roster that would not surprise him that they have a breakout year....he first mentions both Sterling and Koyack. Thomas was a receiving TE (not a blocker), and I think Sterling is developing well for this type of TE role. Koyack is larger, can block, appears to be gaining decent receiving skills, and is a developing replacement for Lewis. I see 3 solid TEs on the roster now. It would be nice to add another TE in the draft or FA, but I just don't see it as a high need.


Solid, I can see the logic. Overall as tight ends they're serviceable. I'd like to see a more dynamic tight end on the roster but I also understand the sentiment of making sure we have our #2 and #3 corners set. (Not sure if the argument for that was in this thread)


Sterling and koyack can hold down the fort if they have to.
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Quote:  I see 3 solid TEs on the roster now.
 

 

The mere fact that one of these 3 solid TEs you mention won't be here next year makes TE a distinct need in the draft this year so he can start developing.


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Quote:Solid, I can see the logic. Overall as tight ends they're serviceable. I'd like to see a more dynamic tight end on the roster but I also understand the sentiment of making sure we have our #2 and #3 corners set. (Not sure if the argument for that was in this thread)


Sterling and koyack can hold down the fort if they have to.

 

I don't see it. We're talking about drafting a TE in rounds 3 to 6. Simply put, you're not about to address the #2 or #3 CB situation in those rounds so there's absolutely no connecting the two situations.


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(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 04:25 PM by Achilles.)

Quote:I don't see it. We're talking about drafting a TE in rounds 3 to 6. Simply put, you're not about to address the #2 or #3 CB situation in those rounds so there's absolutely no connecting the two situations.

I think we are talking about two different things. Nvm.
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Quote:The mere fact that one of these 3 solid TEs you mention won't be here next year
makes TE a distinct need in the draft this year so he can start developing.
 

He mentioned Lewis, Sterling and Koyack.  They are all three under contract and collectively will cost the Jags a whopping 5.6 million dollars in 2017.

 

Do you mean one won't be here in 2018?  Lewis and Sterling are both under contract for 2018 as well and Koyack is an EFRA and easy to keep. 

 

(Everyone seems to agree that another TE should be added regardless of next season's contracts, including the poster you quoted. It's just a question or where you prioritize it.) 

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Quote:He mentioned Lewis, Sterling and Koyack.  They are all three under contract and collectively will cost the Jags a whopping 5.6 million dollars in 2017.

 

Do you mean one won't be here in 2018?  Lewis and Sterling are both under contract for 2018 as well and Koyack is an EFRA and easy to keep. 

 

(Everyone seems to agree that another TE should be added regardless of next season's contracts, including the poster you quoted. It's just a question or where you prioritize it.) 
 

 

Oh my bad on Lewis... I thought I recalled him saying he'd retire after this season, but perhaps he was saying after this contract meaning he'll be here one more year. At any rate, we still should take advantage of this TE class, and it's still a good idea to start developing someone behind the ancient Marcedes Lewis.


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TE Verticals

Evan Engram 36

OJ Howard 30

David Njoku 37.5

Adam Shaheen 32.5

Bucky Hodges 39

Jonnu Smith 38

Jordan Leggett 33
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TE Broad Jumps

Evan Engram 125

Bucky Hodges 134

George Kittle 132

David Njoku 133

OJ Howard 121

Gerald Everett 126

A.Shaheen 121

Leggett 114
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Quote:TE Verticals

Evan Engram 36

OJ Howard 30

David Njoku 37.5

Adam Shaheen 32.5

Bucky Hodges 39

Jonnu Smith 38

Jordan Leggett 33
 

 

Wow... look at that the little guy Jonnu Smith go with the 38" vert. Dude is another ball of rock just like Samaje Perine,


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Quote:TE Verticals

Evan Engram 36

OJ Howard 30

David Njoku 37.5

Adam Shaheen 32.5

Bucky Hodges 39

Jonnu Smith 38

Jordan Leggett 33


Wow. Only 30 for oj Howard? Better move him to the third round....
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Quote:Lewis may be in his last season with the team so you want to start developing a young TE now. That said, we can use TE help this year. Koyack and Sterling at the very least need to be pushed, and we just lost Julius Thomas at the position. This happens to be the best TE draft the league has seen in decades. When we had a good WR draft, Caldwell got two of them in the second round. I simply can't imagine a scenario where Caldwell does not draft a TE this year aside from possibly targeting a UDFA.
Agreed completely.

 

My wish is somehow Leggett is available at our pick in the 3rd round.

 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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Man I still like oj Howard. I think he will be a stud
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Quote:Man I still like oj Howard. I think he will be a stud


Certainly agree. He's going to be very good. We won't be in position to get him unless we trade down though.
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